Who will be tranfering schools next year?

Hillfan · Post by **Hillfan** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 6:27 pm

Must agree Puckster.

hillhockey · Post by **hillhockey** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:09 pm

How can he be a captain? He's only a junior... I thought seniors alone were permitted/honored to be called a captain. Shouldnt the honor go to a senior, then Cary can have his time in the sun as captain next year? Is this a ploy to keep him at Tartan (theres better ways to keep him there.) I understand other sports have underclass captains, but come on this is HS hockey, isnt a captain supposed to be a senior?

Kodiak · Post by **Kodiak** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:20 pm

A Captain has to be a great leader... age/grade or skill level doesn't matter. If a junior can set a good example for his teammates to follow, works hard, and can handle the responsibility, then why not have him be a Captain? Captain is more than an honor that is just given to your best senior... name him MVP at the end of the year if he earns it. Captains have to be responsible reflections of both the coach and players... nobody cares about their age.

hockeydad · Post by **hockeydad** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:43 am

Coaches alone deterimine who a captain is. Sometimes they ask for input from the team, from other coaches, etc, but it's up to the head coach to give out the C. There is no requirement that they be a senior, though usually they are. Over the years I have seen several juniors, and even a sophomore, wear the C.

hillhockey · Post by **hillhockey** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 10:42 am

really, now thats interesting. i dont think hill has ever had an underclass captain.

TRFan · Post by **TRFan** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 8:35 am

2 Bemidji kids to Warroad

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 1:32 pm

Ive heard a lot of argument about transfers and open enrollment but this thread contains some of the weakest justification for it that Ive heard to date. The "no one is guarnteed a spot" rhetoric really limps. Sure , no one anywhere is guaranteed a spot but that isnt the issue. The issue is should the spots be open to just the best in the district or anyone in the state. High school athletes are very competitive and they dont want to be given anything. These kids are willing to earn it and they do. They dont need some open enrollment system to teach them "lifes lessons". And then I just love the "Well, theyll just have to step it up" stuff. Really, thats all there is to it. Just step it up.How do you do that? Most of these kids have been playing since the age of 5. The goalies have spent thousands of dollars and hours on schools and equipmnet and summer hockey etc. Just step it up. Right. I think Knowlzes comment that Minnesota Hockey has it wrong pretty much says it all. Here is a guy who is smarter than all of Minnesota Hockey and all of the people who run it and who have run it for how ever long. Incredible. Knowlze, these people arent making decisions with the idea that they know whats best for each individual. They make decisions based on whats best for hockey.

TRFan · Post by **TRFan** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 2:07 pm

Excellent job Packerboy

Knowlze · Post by **Knowlze** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 11:50 pm

We must be getting to the point. Packerboy, you are pretty worked up about the topic and you are usually a voice of reason on this site. So, what are you saying, if a player has played since he was 5, spent a lot money on equipment and summer hockey, they should be protected by a governing body? They have played the longest and spent the most money, so they are entitled to be the position. What does either of those (time and money) have to do selection of the best players to make a team? With regard to your comment about Minnesota Hockey, you refer to "all of the people who run it" like it is a big business. Hockey-its a game, there is little need to "run it". Is it best for hockey that any player can play for any private schools, but the lowly public players have to play in the district where they live? Kind of elitist isn't it? Why can't all players choose their school? Just becuase some have the money to pay private tuition, they can transfer, while everyone else has to play where they live (good situation or bad), or sell their house and move. Maybe those "running" hockey should make each private transfer also sell their house and move. The issue is freedom, and don't bring up the bunk about we need rules in society or we have anarchy. Again, this is just hockey, and nobody really gets harmed when a player transfers, only hurt feelings. Finally, and again, this is not a huge problem. Most (probably 95%) players play where they live. If a few want to play somewhere else, so what! It is none of my business.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 7:52 am

No. The point about the effort,time and money spent is in response to the "just step it up" guys. These kids have "stepped it up" their whole lives. They are already doing the best that they can and have for some time. We dont need anyone to run hockey? No need for policy or organization? That is very typical of a lot of people these days. They love the leagues and the Tournaments and all of the benefits that the organizations provide and take for granted all of the volunteer time......but if there is a rule that might effect the 'freedom' of little Johnny then they have a fit. Ill give you some freedom. Wait for the ice to freeze and go play by yourself.

JD0004 · Post by **JD0004** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 9:55 am

Kodiak: Anyway, it's just the way it's working now... it's been like this for years (kids from Virginia playing for Duluth East in the 90's). You must be referring to Pat Finnigan. He's the only Virginia kid that I can think about that played for East. What was he supposed to do? Drive an hour back to Virginia everyday to play hockey. His family moved to East Duluth. As you probably know, jobs are hard to come by on the range these days. People...please get your facts straight before posting.

sportsmum · Post by **sportsmum** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 10:23 am

I have never posted before, but this subject has my dander up. We live in a community we love and our kids have always played youth sports. This year my oldest (7th grader) will be leaving the public school for a private school. I have already been "alerted" by several parents that my son will have absolutely zero chance of playing A Bantams for our city. He has been labeled a traitor to his community and will be of no further use to our area hockey program. I know life is not fair, but this really ticks me off! Our reason for switching schools is not sports related, but rather to pursue a Christian education. Thanks for listening!

Eddie Shore · Post by **Eddie Shore** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 10:31 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>You must be referring to Pat Finnigan. He's the only Virginia kid that I can think about that played for East. What was he supposed to do? Drive an hour back to Virginia everyday to play hockey. His family moved to East Duluth. As you probably know, jobs are hard to come by on the range these days.<hr></blockquote> Actually, JD0004, the Suihkonen brothers - Ted and Steve - also came down to East at the same time. Finnegan's dad did not move to Duluth until a full year after Pat had played for the 'Hounds (if memory serves me right). Steve Suihkonen then transferred from East to Hibbing to finish out his HS career. Give Keith Hendrickson a call up in Virginia - he'll be happy to give you his side of the story.

Knowlze · Post by **Knowlze** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 11:40 am

Talk about a "fit", I think Packerboy is having one. It is the transfer "policy" that is not needed, and organization can be maintained. The point has been made, and I will shut up for now, as all have tired of the debate and Packerboy has shown his colors. With regard to Packerboy granting me "freedom", my three "little Johnny's" at times did play alone (when everyone else left) on the ice. That was effectionately referred to as being a rinkrat. Packerboy, sincerely, I do admire your passion, just can't agree with the "policy". Good Bye for now.

Kodiak · Post by **Kodiak** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 12:35 pm

The transfer rules apply to private schools as well... on a second transfer the family must have moved close to the school, otherwise the player must sit out for half of the season. As far as Virginia goes, talk to some people about how good they "could have been" in the mid-late 90's had they not lost their top 3 players to Duluth East.

Kodiak · Post by **Kodiak** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 12:47 pm

If parents have ANYTHING to do with what players end up on what team (A, B1, B2, C) your local hockey association needs to get with the times. Most associations have outsiders, people who don't know any of the players and have no connection to the area hockey teams, come in and evaluate players. This eliminates the corruption and bias that had taken over youth hockey associations when all of the coaches were dad's, and all of the dads put their sons on the "A" team. Let the association know what's going on, and if they have their heads in the right place, your son will get a shot. If not, let them know that this is for the kids, not for the parents, and that your kid deserves an opportunity to have a fair tryout! If they're still blackballing you, threaten a discrimination lawsuit, or tell them to go "f" themselves and get released to a different team. You have the right to raise your kid however you want, and if you want to send him to a Christian school that's your right as a parent. The community has no right to label your kid a traitor, and they should be ashamed of themselves for doing so. Good luck, and keep us updated on any progress you make!

TRFan · Post by **TRFan** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 1:23 pm

Does anyone know anything about the 2 kids from Bemidji going to Warroad?

CanAm28 · Post by **CanAm28** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 1:52 pm

I can't believe I'm jumping into this fray considering it's only July. Eddie Shore's got it pretty much right on the Finnegan/Suihkonen saga from the 90's. Here's a couple of other lesser known facts. The Suihkonen boys lived in an apartment in Duluth pretty much on their own for a chunk of their time here. Hey, what high school kid wouldn't like that oppurtunity? When Steve Suihkonen and Pat Finnegan were Pee Wees in Virginia, a pretty darn good PeeWee team, they made it to the MAHA sate tournament in Hermantown. Guess who was in attendance at every game watching intently? You guessed it. Mike Randolph. All those in the know at the time knew that the recruiting process had begun then if not sooner. Eight months later both boys were in a Hounds uniform. Here's another one for all you Hounds fans. After watching Duluth East win the state championship in 1998, I was asked by an East player's parent (parent of a dominant player on the team I might add) "Which local Duluth rink association supplied the most players to this championship team?" The correct answer was "other" More players on this team came from none local rinks than the confines of our own rink associations. I know, that's a dead horse. I don't even care because most programs run no differently. It begins to border on comical

puckhead89 · Post by **puckhead89** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 3:57 pm

AHA! Finally we have a parent who is transferring their child to another school for reasons other than athletics! What your association has threatened is ludicrous. However, the point all along on the transfer issue has been that too many transfers are occurring for the wrong reasons, not the least of which is building empire teams. Kudos to you for making good, strong choices for your children. They are lucky.

hockeydad · Post by **hockeydad** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 8:56 pm

I just want to point out that he said it was several parents who threatened, not the association itself. as for tryouts, not every association has outsiders do the evaluation, but most do have people who are somewhat neutral. I agree if the kid is blackballed, seek a release. threatening to keep a kid off a pee wee A team is just wrong.

hillhockey · Post by **hillhockey** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 8:59 pm

well, this doesnt entirely fit the mold of what is being discussed, but it fits better here than anywhere else: if a kid transfers to another public school, the money that the district he/she lives in would get if he/she went to the hometown school goes to the other public school. however if a kid goes to a private school, the district he/she lives in can still claim him/her as a student and thus are financially benefitted (and theres one less student in the halls)

puckhead89 · Post by **puckhead89** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 5:21 am

Thanks for pointing out the technicality, but the poster's reference sounded like the "group of parents" run the show...thus my general reference. Sorry. I don't want to engage in a discussion on youth hockey associations, because, well...it will be more long threads of politics talk.

hockeydad · Post by **hockeydad** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 8:57 am

I hear you. I did my time on our local board, and really was glad when my two-years time were done. Way too much politics.

MNPuckster40 · Post by **MNPuckster40** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:37 pm

Time that all the "rumors" become reality as the first day of class approaches. Transfer students must attend first day of class to be eligible. Who's picking up kids, and when will the MSHSL add a "Hometown" column to the state tourney rosters <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin">

Lbow7 · Post by **Lbow7** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 5:17 pm

could be one or could be 2 from 3. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"> 1 is hedging at this time, farmwork and puck might not fit.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek"> family member past recruit pushing, <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tongue.gif ALT=":p"> dad grad of jacks, unhappy<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"> with jacks system for awile. district tment scouted by the windowmaker.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/pimp.gif ALT=":hat">

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