AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

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Section 8 guy
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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by Section 8 guy » Tue Feb 04, 2020 5:37 pm

gitter wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:26 pm
Section 8 guy wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:02 pm
Overall strength of schedule can be pretty misleading when it comes to point production. Two teams could have fairly similar overall SoS.....but if one of them has 5 games on their schedule where a top player has the potential to pile up 25-30 points in those 5 games and the other team doesn’t have any of those type of games that’s a game changer for a player accumulating numbers.
Got it. So CDH has no cupcakes on their schedule because they are AA playing a AA schedule.
Section 8 guy wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:02 pm
There’s always context which is why it’s hard to compare.
But here you are in this thread trying to compare Biondi and Gleason....because in your mind Class A is the only reason Biondi is close to Gleason in points.

You clearly have me confused with Mr. 59. This is a AA scoring leaders thread. It’s not a Mr. Hockey thread and it isn’t a Class A thread. My comments are about the AA scoring race and I have tried to eliminate class A players from the discussion because they don’t fit in this thread. I have never attempted to compare Gleason and Biondi. That was another poster.

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by Section 8 guy » Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:50 pm

LSQRANK wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:08 pm
A good way to evaluate scoring leaders to account for the level of play is to normalize the raw scoring data with respect to the quality of the opposing team, its goalie and the quality of the scoring team. Once you run the numbers for these considerations, then you get a true picture of the most talented scoring leaders in the state. This was done for the MN Girls data back two years ago and what it showed was that the NCAA D1 commits rose to the top of the list, while the girls who were piling up scoring point against extremely weak competition dropped down to about average.
This would be interesting. Sounds like a massive data project.

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by LSQRANK » Wed Feb 05, 2020 12:24 am

Yes it is and was with the girls' data back then. You need to look at or transcribe data from every game score sheet to attribute each goal and assist tallied against a corresponding opposing team and opposing goalie! Generating the rating profile of the teams in the league is the easy part, but the rest is pain-stakenly a lot of work. If you are interested in the analysis process, read Chapter 4 (p.54-67) of the Sportsoft manual. The paper contains the details of the study.

Here is a link to the manual:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1yt-Lf ... 0UBro39GF

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by WestMetro » Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:17 am

LSQ- Aside from revalidating the talent of the D1 top scoring forwards, what were the highlites of the GHS report?

In the other thread labeled Top AA Goalie leaders, there are literally 40 AA boys goalies this year with 90.0% or higher save percentages. Their differential range is only between 90% and 94%, about a 4% difference.

Seems like a statistical analysis of the top scorers success vs top goalies amongst the top 30 or 40 AA teams would find little certain direct correlation in comparison to random . Since there is only about a 4% difference in their statistical performance to begin with.

And we already know the top scorers will pile up the big points amongst the lower ranked AA teams, more due to less overall opposing raw talent and depth in addition to in most cases a less talented goalie.

Thoughts?

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by goldy313 » Fri Feb 07, 2020 11:34 am

Gleason CDH, 0 points last night, 66 total, 2 games to play; WBL and Forest Lake.

Malugani Rochester Century, 1 point last night, 61 total, 3 games to play; Northfield, Winona, Breck.

Bielenberg Rochester Century, 0 points last night, 60 total, 3 games to play; Northfield, Winona, Breck.

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by hockey59 » Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:02 pm

Biondi now at 70 points for de facto AA Hermantown with Superior (tonight) LVS & GR remaining 😉

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by BodyShots » Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:02 pm

hockey59 wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:02 pm
Biondi now at 70 points for de facto AA Hermantown with Superior (tonight) LVS & GR remaining 😉
[-X =; =;

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by hockey59 » Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:56 pm

BodyShots wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:02 pm
hockey59 wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:02 pm
Biondi now at 70 points for de facto AA Hermantown with Superior (tonight) LVS & GR remaining 😉
[-X =; =;
You do realize I’m posting this (more to) get ya going than anything else =D> =P~

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by goldy313 » Fri Feb 07, 2020 10:26 pm

All scoring leaders feast on poor teams.

Blond picked up 25 points (at least) on the 4 teams page2stat ranks #104 or below and Ft Francis. The worst team Gleason played was ranked #87. You can “de facto” all you want but 15 of Biondi’s 60 points (at the start of this thread) came against Ft Francis and Duluth Marshall. 25% of his points came in 2 games!

Both are great players, no question. If they switched teams the numbers would probably be similar.

fwiw....A quick count has the Century kids playing 8 games against teams #104 and below and 10 against #87 and below. They still have #133 Winona left to play.

If Biondi and/or Gleason played for Century who knows the totals.

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by goldy313 » Sat Feb 08, 2020 9:45 pm

Gleason with 4 points for a total of 70, 1 game left.....WBL

Malugani with 3 points for a total of 64, 2 games left....Winona and Breck

Any math errors are mine.

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by hockey59 » Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:49 am

De facto AA player Blake Biondi 37-37-74 with LVS & GR left on Tuesday & Thursday. 🤠

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by BodyShots » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:11 pm

hockey59 wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:49 am
De facto AA player Blake Biondi 37-37-74 with LVS & GR left on Tuesday & Thursday. 🤠
Who? :wink:

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by WarmUpTheBus » Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:00 am

BodyShots wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:11 pm
hockey59 wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:49 am
De facto AA player Blake Biondi 37-37-74 with LVS & GR left on Tuesday & Thursday. 🤠
Who? :wink:
The guy who’s not the leading Class A scorer, that’s who. 8)

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by Section 8 guy » Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:27 pm

Your move Mr. 59.....

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by massalsa » Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:28 pm

I have spent more time and posts on the girls side over the years but have been lurking here as well. Many of you probably could care less about and spend zero time on the girls game or reading girls stuff.

By far the best content that was created over the last year or two was from a blog called Sota Girls Hockey. Unfortunately Sota G is retired/dormant most of the time now. Sota just blogged yesterday about the Ms Hockey finalists released yesterday. It is worth a read pertaining to Mr. Hockey and the scoring leaders conversation here. No mentions of individual players at all on the girls side but a pretty darn interesting chain of logic on ranking the girls.

Would be fascinating to see it implemented in some way on the boys side. No shot on me doing it but if someone is interested in doing it or taking pieces of it and making their own it would be interesting to read.

https://sotagirlshockey.com/2020/02/11/ ... ommentary/

mas

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by InThePipes » Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:42 pm

massalsa wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:28 pm
I have spent more time and posts on the girls side over the years but have been lurking here as well. Many of you probably could care less about and spend zero time on the girls game or reading girls stuff.

By far the best content that was created over the last year or two was from a blog called Sota Girls Hockey. Unfortunately Sota G is retired/dormant most of the time now. Sota just blogged yesterday about the Ms Hockey finalists released yesterday. It is worth a read pertaining to Mr. Hockey and the scoring leaders conversation here. No mentions of individual players at all on the girls side but a pretty darn interesting chain of logic on ranking the girls.

Would be fascinating to see it implemented in some way on the boys side. No shot on me doing it but if someone is interested in doing it or taking pieces of it and making their own it would be interesting to read.

https://sotagirlshockey.com/2020/02/11/ ... ommentary/

mas
That is interesting and I like the thought process.

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by goldy313 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:00 pm

Gleason picks up 2 points and finished with 72

Malugani picks up 4 points and has 68 with one game left against Breck.

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by Blue Line » Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:10 pm

goldy313 wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:00 pm
Gleason picks up 2 points and finished with 72

Malugani picks up 4 points and has 68 with one game left against Breck.
Doesn’t matter. Gleason is the AA scoring champ.

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by goldy313 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:11 pm

Why doesn’t it matter?

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by hockey59 » Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:50 am

hockey59 wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:49 am
De facto AA player Blake Biondi 37-37-74 with LVS & GR left on Tuesday & Thursday. 🤠
Biondi held scoreless his final two regular season games & finishes 37-37-74 😊

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by BodyShots » Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:19 pm

hockey59 wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:50 am
hockey59 wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:49 am
De facto AA player Blake Biondi 37-37-74 with LVS & GR left on Tuesday & Thursday. 🤠
Biondi held scoreless his final two regular season games & finishes 37-37-74 😊
Congratulations to the top scorer in the top league.... Mr. Gleason.

BTW, who won the JV league.... NOBODY CARES!!!!!!!!

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