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I couldn’t have said it better. It’s 2020 high school hockey in Minnesota. Greed has crept in become bigger than community. Young hockey players throughout our are going to start seeing this, along with their parents. It’s a really nice option. Soon they will be coming here in droves.puckluck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:02 pm This year more than ever brings into question if MN hockey is really a homegrown product. So many questionable transfers and move ins. Two stars of tourney are move ins from other states for senior year (STA Aitken and EP Steeves). MN hockey has a branding problem. Might as well let SSM play in high school league since no one can say it’s about “community” hockey anymore. It’s about recruiting and getting around MSHSL transfer rules to get an edge.
Kind of like “The Decision” ~ I’m taking my talents to ___________.Hunters1993 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:37 am There would have to be a certain age requirements. The kids who are high school age who are interested in transferring go on a free agent list. Kids who are bantams might want to go to a different high school, just saying then it is all out in the open.
Ely kid wants to play elsewhere. They announce that they will not be playing for Ely next year. From there he can pick a few schools he would like to play for. It is out in the open with no mystery. The Ely school knows not to plan to have them next year and everyone knows the kid is interested in a new school. Kids have a day they have to decide by. All out in the open.
I realize you posted this tongue-in-cheek, well, maybe not, but I would actually like to see something like this, with a twist. I'd like to see a transfer portal and a one time transfer exemption allowed for any player cut from their HS team and allowed to transfer to another program that carries an "at risk" designation. It would allow players to continue their hockey careers, if they choose, and it would bolster some struggling programs with the numbers they need. It would probably also cut down on the number of co-ops too. More viable programs, more kids getting to extend their playing careers, and instead of focusing on the top of the pyramid we're focusing on its base and giving more kids opportunities to participate. Might need to move HS tryouts to August prior to the school year for something like this to work.Hunters1993 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:17 am How about this. We have a free agent list that gets formed in say March or whenever and kids can put their name out there on this list and be contacted all they want, but you have to be on the list to have it happen. Then at least it’s 100% transparent to all and all teams can try their best sales pitch. The player could list their five top schools and those schools could do their best to get kid to pick them. The day decisions have to be made we could have live broadcasts from YHH with Karl, Tony, and others commenting on the choice and the kid can put on the hat of the team he chooses. That could be fun viewing.
No more under the table stuff at elite leagues, coaches sending letters, or players becoming secret transfers.
Thoughts
In theory this sounds good, but what about the kid that no longer has a spot that is already at said school? Team that is on the small side of co-op that no longer has a team because enough kids "transferred in" but not enough for their own team? I like the direction you are going and agree with what it would accomplish, but there could be negatives as well. It would have to have so many "rules" in place to prevent abuse, which of course MSHSL would police!SCBlueLiner wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:22 amI realize you posted this tongue-in-cheek, well, maybe not, but I would actually like to see something like this, with a twist. I'd like to see a transfer portal and a one time transfer exemption allowed for any player cut from their HS team and allowed to transfer to another program that carries an "at risk" designation. It would allow players to continue their hockey careers, if they choose, and it would bolster some struggling programs with the numbers they need. It would probably also cut down on the number of co-ops too. More viable programs, more kids getting to extend their playing careers, and instead of focusing on the top of the pyramid we're focusing on its base and giving more kids opportunities to participate. Might need to move HS tryouts to August prior to the school year for something like this to work.Hunters1993 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:17 am How about this. We have a free agent list that gets formed in say March or whenever and kids can put their name out there on this list and be contacted all they want, but you have to be on the list to have it happen. Then at least it’s 100% transparent to all and all teams can try their best sales pitch. The player could list their five top schools and those schools could do their best to get kid to pick them. The day decisions have to be made we could have live broadcasts from YHH with Karl, Tony, and others commenting on the choice and the kid can put on the hat of the team he chooses. That could be fun viewing.
No more under the table stuff at elite leagues, coaches sending letters, or players becoming secret transfers.
Thoughts
It's actually something that could be expanded across all HS sports and activities. Yes, school should be about going to school to get an education and not playing sports, however, studies show that kids who are involved in sports and extracurriculars are engaged kids that achieve better grades. In fact, that gets beat over our heads in commercials on Prep 45 during the tournament. I see it as a win/win for everybody.
So if the program established itself as a co-op prior to tryouts they would only be able to take in enough transfers to fill out an entire JV and Varsity roster, so 40 spots (36 skaters, 4 goalies). Any number they are short at the end of tryouts they are able to take in as transfers but no players who attend school that tryout could be bumped (example, 36 showed up at tryouts, they can accept 4 transfers). Long term goal would break up co-ops and have a HS field their own team. Admittedly, this works best in high population areas with multiple schools in an area. A good example that comes to mind is a metro school like Richfield.MWS coach wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:36 amIn theory this sounds good, but what about the kid that no longer has a spot that is already at said school? Team that is on the small side of co-op that no longer has a team because enough kids "transferred in" but not enough for their own team? I like the direction you are going and agree with what it would accomplish, but there could be negatives as well. It would have to have so many "rules" in place to prevent abuse, which of course MSHSL would police!SCBlueLiner wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:22 amI realize you posted this tongue-in-cheek, well, maybe not, but I would actually like to see something like this, with a twist. I'd like to see a transfer portal and a one time transfer exemption allowed for any player cut from their HS team and allowed to transfer to another program that carries an "at risk" designation. It would allow players to continue their hockey careers, if they choose, and it would bolster some struggling programs with the numbers they need. It would probably also cut down on the number of co-ops too. More viable programs, more kids getting to extend their playing careers, and instead of focusing on the top of the pyramid we're focusing on its base and giving more kids opportunities to participate. Might need to move HS tryouts to August prior to the school year for something like this to work.Hunters1993 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:17 am How about this. We have a free agent list that gets formed in say March or whenever and kids can put their name out there on this list and be contacted all they want, but you have to be on the list to have it happen. Then at least it’s 100% transparent to all and all teams can try their best sales pitch. The player could list their five top schools and those schools could do their best to get kid to pick them. The day decisions have to be made we could have live broadcasts from YHH with Karl, Tony, and others commenting on the choice and the kid can put on the hat of the team he chooses. That could be fun viewing.
No more under the table stuff at elite leagues, coaches sending letters, or players becoming secret transfers.
Thoughts
It's actually something that could be expanded across all HS sports and activities. Yes, school should be about going to school to get an education and not playing sports, however, studies show that kids who are involved in sports and extracurriculars are engaged kids that achieve better grades. In fact, that gets beat over our heads in commercials on Prep 45 during the tournament. I see it as a win/win for everybody.
Which thread are you referring to? I don't see it?O-townClown wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:53 pm A thread below has been locked for some reason. If anyone knows about steps taken by MSHSL related to the allegations directed toward St. Thomas please share. Or if you can confirm it being a non-story because rules have been followed that too.
Not a non-story, but one that takes time to work through the process. Kind of a moot point now. If there’s determined to be an ineligible player not much to do now. Strip their section title and void the 4th place finish.O-townClown wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:53 pm A thread below has been locked for some reason. If anyone knows about steps taken by MSHSL related to the allegations directed toward St. Thomas please share. Or if you can confirm it being a non-story because rules have been followed that too.
the dude who started that thread you are referring to was obviously impacted directly by the two kids playing for STA. MSHL By-Laws aren't perfect and are full of words like..."Intent" that is really hard to prove; I may have a home in Chicago but intend to move to MN; I may be divorced/legally separated; I may have another sibling in High School who is not a minor (18yr), who wants to stay in Chicago. There are a lot of variables and unknowns that should not be speculated on in these forums.Puckguy19 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:10 pmNot a non-story, but one that takes time to work through the process. Kind of a moot point now. If there’s determined to be an ineligible player not much to do now. Strip their section title and void the 4th place finish.O-townClown wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:53 pm A thread below has been locked for some reason. If anyone knows about steps taken by MSHSL related to the allegations directed toward St. Thomas please share. Or if you can confirm it being a non-story because rules have been followed that too.
Um, no. There are not any of these variables that you speak of. It's all Black and White. I've read the rules several times and the word "intent" is not in there and plays no role whatsoever with the rules. Nothing about siblings staying home either. The entire family has to move, period. Divorce does play a role. You are allowed one transfer during High School to go live with another parent who resides in another District if your parents are divorced. That is the only part of your post that makes any sense.arcticpurple wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:11 amthe dude who started that thread you are referring to was obviously impacted directly by the two kids playing for STA. MSHL By-Laws aren't perfect and are full of words like..."Intent" that is really hard to prove; I may have a home in Chicago but intend to move to MN; I may be divorced/legally separated; I may have another sibling in High School who is not a minor (18yr), who wants to stay in Chicago. There are a lot of variables and unknowns that should not be speculated on in these forums.Puckguy19 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:10 pmNot a non-story, but one that takes time to work through the process. Kind of a moot point now. If there’s determined to be an ineligible player not much to do now. Strip their section title and void the 4th place finish.O-townClown wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:53 pm A thread below has been locked for some reason. If anyone knows about steps taken by MSHSL related to the allegations directed toward St. Thomas please share. Or if you can confirm it being a non-story because rules have been followed that too.
Minnesotan's love boasting about the the quality of their youth/HS hockey and the success of community based programs but for some reason get bent out of shape when others want to participate--A victim of your own success. The MSHL continues to loose top players to juniors. I don't have a problem with high caliber players from out of state coming in to fill the void. You can't stop people from moving into MN.... and you can't prevent them from playing varsity sports --"MN come for the hockey, stay for the education"
It cracked me up, that on the hockey hub write up of the championship game, one guy in the comments was going off on HM for recruiting nationally. When it turned out this year, that EP was the national team. I believe HM had one kid from Wisconsin (Keopple). They happened to be more community based than EP. Anyway, the point is, you guys are right. The genie is out of the bottle. Kids will move for opportunities. So all we can hope for is that it makes for better hockey.Slap Shot wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:34 am I think there's a bit of hyperbole with this topic happening here. I don't like seeing transfers as much as anyone and thought what EP did this year was pretty gross given they have one of the largest enrollments in the state, but for people to act like community based hockey is gone is laughable. Even EP's roster was dominated by home grown players. Therefore talk of, "all or nothing" is a non-starter because neither option is every going to happen.
If anything work could be done to make the regulations more black and white and perhaps a bit more strict, but the genie is out of the bottle folks. Meanwhile whatever community you're from if they are still fielding a team than it's probable most of the kids lacing up are from that community.