Ms. Goalie 2006

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 11:02 am

Lots of "pre-season" speculation... As a side note - I've talked about the notion of top 10/then top 5 Ms. D, Ms. G, And Ms. F and then picking a Ms. Hockey out of the final 3 winners of the D/F/G award before... I think this would be best, as many would argue D don't get recognized enough, and also that D & G should be able to be called "Ms. Hockey" - not just F's (or D from time-to-time)... I would say that this list below is the starting point for narrowing the list... REMEMBER THAT T-Breds AND SSM PLAYERS AREN'T ELIGIBLE... G: <a href="http://www.esportsdesk.com/leagues/rost ... 2788&pos=G" target="top">LAUREN BRADEL</a> <a href="http://www.esportsdesk.com/leagues/rost ... 3987&pos=G" target="top">RACHEL CARTER</a> <a href="http://www.esportsdesk.com/leagues/rost ... 9630&pos=G" target="top">MADDIE HAROLDSON</a> <a href="http://www.esportsdesk.com/leagues/rost ... 3626&pos=G" target="top">MICKEY JOBEMAN</a> <a href="http://www.esportsdesk.com/leagues/rost ... 6692&pos=G" target="top">ASHLEY JOHNSON</a> <a href="http://www.esportsdesk.com/leagues/rost ... 9484&pos=G" target="top">BRITTANY KRAUSE</a> <a href="http://www.esportsdesk.com/leagues/rost ... 2035&pos=G" target="top">BRIANNA LUTZ</a> <a href="http://www.esportsdesk.com/leagues/rost ... 1391&pos=G" target="top">ALANNAH MCCREADY</a> - Wisconsin <a href="http://www.esportsdesk.com/leagues/rost ... 6512&pos=G" target="top">TONI MENTH</a> JESSICA PTACHICK - Bemidji <a href="http://www.esportsdesk.com/leagues/rost ... 5350&pos=G" target="top">DANIKA PORTER</a> <a href="http://www.esportsdesk.com/leagues/rost ... 6605&pos=G" target="top">BREANNA SCAVO</a> <a href="http://www.esportsdesk.com/leagues/rost ... 4238&pos=G" target="top">SARAH WINDHORST</a> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p100.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... ckeyfan</A> at: 12/4/05 5:31 pm

pirategoaliemom · Post by **pirategoaliemom** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 8:04 am

Amy Burke from crookston should be on this list, in 3rd year has had outstanding stats, as senior this year in 4 games since we have to of the top goalies, switch off so far in the season, so Amy's stats are PCT.970 goals against 0.25 with 3 shut outs in four games

The machine took my quart · Tue Dec 06, 2005 12:42 am

Tough to get a good shot at awards when you split games. Crookston needs to slide in a decent team every now and then as well. You can only win soo many 10-0 games before people question who is doing the scheduling. The Warroad game was big and Crookston lost a good one. Who is playing the tough games and winning them as well should be a big factor for the award...

hockeysense · Post by **hockeysense** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:05 pm

Unfortunately class A hockey usually gets over looked when it comes to top tenders. In general they are viewed upon as a lower level of hockey compared to AA. There is a lack of good quality competition in outstate Mn. The better teams need to travel to the metro ect. to fill in the gaps to get more exposure & to promote their players. It looks like Crookston has done some of this in 2005 -2006 but needs to do more. It's like Rodney said " I get no respect"<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/embarassed.gif ALT=":o"> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p100.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... eysense</A> at: 12/9/05 1:06 pm

mnhockeygal · Post by **mnhockeygal** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 8:21 pm

The numbers Danika Porter has put up so far are dazzling. And shje has not played as well as down the stretch last year yet, so its going to be fun to see what type of numbers she may up when she catches fire. Very, very steady. This kid is awesome when the pressure heightens.

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 10:11 pm

I've always been a fan of Porters, from her days back at Rosemount, and now on to SSP. @ Rosemount she put up some amazing numbers and faced a ton of shots each night. And with her performance @ SSP this just adds to the resume. I think she has to be a top candidate for Ms. Goalie.

puckdaddy22 · Post by **puckdaddy22** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 10:25 pm

I know I've said it before, but a good team needs to start and work from the net out. I think a good question to be asked about a candidate for Ms. Goalie has to be someone who has shown steady and consistant play between the pipes. Its not the goals against average or how many wins one might have, but more important is the saves percentage over a number of years not just one season. A team that allows fewer shots because of a better defence or a team that splits games between tenders so one gets the easy games to pad the stats also needs to be looked at. Ms. Goalie should be someone who would change the outcome of a game if she did not play by her performance. Like Ms. Hockey an impact player. I would like to know how many years the player has been a starter, games played, and shots / saves to get on the list.

puckdaddy22 · Post by **puckdaddy22** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 4:30 pm

I know things are going by fast and with Christmas and all, but any further discussion of Ms. Goalie candidates....alot of games played and more to come but maybe after the holiday tournaments we could have a better idea of who is setting the standard for this honor.

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 1:34 pm

TBD soon! How much should post-season play factor into this award? Related content: JustBob2 Registered Member Posts: 11 (2/7/06 4:57 pm) Reply Senior Goalie Info -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These stats are for SENIOR goalies only. They came from the Strib. The Universe I Tracked Erica Steinhof Henry Sibley 2AA Brittany Krause Hibbing 3AA Alannah McCreadyCentennial 3AA Breanna Scavo North St. Paul 3AA Melissa Brown Shakopee 4A Lisa Ott Mahtomedi 4A Danika Porter SSP 4A Mickey Jobman CDH 5AA Brianna Lutz Burnsville 5AA Sarah WindhorstBSM 6AA Jackie Weiden Chisago Lakes 7AA Lauren Bradel Bemidji 8AA Rachel Carter Elk River 8AA Maddie HaroldsonSauk Rapids 8AA Toni Menth Buffalo 8AA Ashley Tenney N. Wright Cty 8AA 2005-06 GAA & Save Percentage GAA Save % Scavo 1.35 93.57% McCready1.36 94.62% Windhorst1.37 93.67% Krause 1.50 92.61% Porter 1.53 91.53% Bradel 1.55 94.42% Carter 1.57 93.12% Tenney 1.62 93.38% Jobman 1.66 92.84% Lutz 1.94 91.76% Steinhof 1.97 91.27% Haroldson2.04 92.57% Weiden 2.17 89.82% Ott 2.33 89.61% Brown 2.48 89.79% Menth 2.59 91.07% Comparing 04-05 GAA versus 05-06 GAA 04-05 05-06 GAA GAA Scavo 1.82 1.35 McCready2.02 1.36 Windhorst1.52 1.37 Krause 1.65 1.50 Porter 1.61 1.53 Bradel 2.08 1.55 Carter 2.34 1.57 Tenney 1.96 1.62 Jobman 1.54 1.66 Lutz 1.57 1.94 Steinhof 1.97 Haroldson 2.04 Weiden 1.82 2.17 Ott 2.46 2.33 Brown 3.28 2.48 Menth 1.37 2.59 Krach SOS for these goalies This list includes only the games they played. I took the current Krach rate for each opponent, summed up and divided by the total minutes played divided by 51. Similar to GAA. I also removed any games against EP since its Krach skewed the average. The stars indicate who played EP. Jobman 158.02 Porter 150.95 Krause 150.15 Windhorst117.67 Scavo 114.57 Ott 111.17 Lutz* 103.94 Carter* 98.07 Weiden 96.22 McCready95.78 Steinhof*77.66 Menth 76.71 Bradel* 53.21 Brown 45.04 Haroldson15.20 Tenney 6.80 2005-06 Records Win % W L T S/O Windhorst85.71% 18 3 0 6 Scavo 82.61% 19 3 1 8 Bradel 79.17% 19 3 2 6 Porter 70.83% 17 6 1 8 McCready70.59% 12 4 1 4 Lutz 68.75% 11 5 0 0 Jobman 68.00% 17 5 3 7 Krause 66.67% 14 5 2 3 Brown 63.64% 14 8 0 3 Carter 60.00% 15 8 2 7 Steinhof 58.33% 7 5 0 3 Weiden 58.33% 14 9 1 4 Haroldson57.14% 12 5 4 1 Tenney 50.00% 13 12 1 5 Ott 44.00% 11 13 1 7 Menth 39.13% 9 13 1 2 Draw your own conclusions. puckdaddy22 Registered Member Posts: 23 (2/7/06 9:01 pm) Reply Re: Senior Goalie Info -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I know that not all the info is correct and can't see anyone that would make a conclusion based on incomplete information. Not all the girls noted have played all the games that their teams have played and so if you make a choice of which goalie is better than the others I think you need to know the facts. Edited by: puckdaddy22 at: 2/7/06 9:03 pm puckdaddy22 Registered Member Posts: 24 (2/7/06 9:13 pm) Reply Re: Senior Goalie Info -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As far as SOS goes it does not factor in the strength of the defense that one plays with. The teams with a great defense don't allow for many shots on goal and don't reflect how good the goalie is. I have watched many many games in my life that the goalie see only 15-20 shots on goal and none are realy quality scoring chances but the stats look like a brick wall, only to see that change if the defense is not up to par. The real test of any goaltender is the average of saves over time and not just against the top teams. A good goalie will make the quality stops time and time again. turdpolisher Registered Member Posts: 4 (2/10/06 8:02 am) Reply Re: Senior Goalie Info -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From the Pioneer Press 2/10/06 The 5 finalists for senior goalie of the year : LAUREN BRADEL - BEMIDJI MICKEY JOBMAN - CRETIN - DERHAM HALL ALANNAH McCREADY - CENTENNIAL BREANNA SCAVO - NORTH ST. PAUL SARAH WINDHORST - BENILDE - ST. MARGARET'S CONGRATULATIONS AND GOOD LUCK TO ALL OF YOU !!! 411HOCKEY Registered Member Posts: 37 (2/10/06 10:55 am) Reply Re: Senior Goalie Info -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CONGRATULATIONS GIRLS! LOOKS LIKE A FINE LIST

Big Red · Post by **Big Red** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 2:38 pm

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keepitreal · Post by **keepitreal** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 3:14 pm

*ahem* ...seniors... Congrats to Alex and all that, but the discussion is Ms. Goalie 2006, not 2008.

Big Red · Post by **Big Red** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 3:16 pm

sorry. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/grin.gif ALT=" >D">

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 4:06 pm

I'd put her down on the Soph thread though!

hockeefan · Post by **hockeefan** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 5:30 pm

Goalie of the Year is being announced on the 23rd... does anyone have any predictions?

FightCadetsFight · Post by **FightCadetsFight** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 5:50 pm

I would vote for Mickey Jobman (CDH). I think the other goalies had much stronger players in front of them. She was directly responsible for many of CDH's wins.

hockeefan · Post by **hockeefan** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:52 pm

i think its between Scavo and Windhorst

411HOCKEY · Post by **411HOCKEY** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:38 am

It's McCready all the way!

hockeefan · Post by **hockeefan** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 1:10 pm

she's been out half the season. i dont think she has played enough like the other candidates have.

xk1 · Post by **xk1** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 1:32 pm

Check your stats, McCready has played 988 minutes (about 19 games), more than enough. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p100.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... xk1>xk1</A> at: 2/21/06 1:32 pm

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 2:18 pm

It would seem that we should look at a side-by-side statistical comparison - including SOS of opponents faced game-by-game that stats were achieved... I'll try to pull something together later... Remember that stats alone don't determine this award though - at least as far as I'm aware anyway...

keepitreal · Post by **keepitreal** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 3:34 pm

Scavo...

GotGame9 · Post by **GotGame9** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:11 pm

I truly believe Maddie Harroldson is one of the most underrated goalies out there, she plays in a conference that is virtually ignored and her skills are not seen. Maddie is as solid as it gets and it is not her fault that she only had a couple solid players in front of her to help her out. Last time I checked a bunch of odd man rushes and 2 and 3 on 0's aren't exactly in a goalies favor.

MNhockeyfan09 · Post by **MNhockeyfan09** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 1:32 pm

Should be announced today. I believe it will be McCready, but we'll wait for the official announcement. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p100.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... eyfan09</A> at: 2/23/06 1:50 pm

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 10:45 am

ghshockeyfan Registered Member Posts: 4351 (2/10/06 6:07 pm) Reply | Edit Re: Unsung Heroes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In a day and age when every kid gets a trophy for anything, I don't believe in diluting anything to give out more meaningless trophies. Have you ever looked at these kids' trophies? They have a ton of them and they mean next to nothing as a result... My point is that if we're going to recognize goaltending as a key element of the game, then so be it. Additionally, it would seem that we're typically only recognizing F's for Ms. Hockey. For us to truly recognize all aspects of the game, we should recognize true D, not F's called D either, or "slashes" i.e. "D/F" either... I believe we either take away the Ms. G and just have Ms. Hockey, or else you recognize the three positions. There is no difference between C/RW/LW or LD/RD like there is in the meaning behind D vs. F vs. G in my mind. FORGOT TO MENTION - I also believe that a Goalie shoudl able to be called "Ms. Hockey." That title seems like it should be able to be associated with the best hockey player in the state, and it shouldn't exclude goaltenders if that is the true meaning...

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 3:04 pm

Congrats to McCready!!!

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