AGAINST the GRAIN

goldy313 · Post by **goldy313** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:05 am

3;30 on a saturday, sure alot of people are working, nice try to cover up your girls hockey argument. So you really think that there are more people working on a saturday afternoon than on thursday afternoon? Must be because where do those extra 8,000 or so people come from on thursday? That doesn't explain the parking but oh well.

slapshooter · Post by **slapshooter** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:15 am

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goldy313 · Post by **goldy313** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:26 am

If you put a chess match in at the time the AA 3rd place game is you'd draw more people as well, it's a moot point. The same reason there is always an undercard before the Main Event, very few would show to see John Doe vs. Joe Schmoo, but put them before Ali/Frazier and you have a full house.

slapshooter · Post by **slapshooter** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 1:12 am

Well Petey, I had to do some things so took a while to get around to you. Actually, it is always fun, albeit rare lately, to get a rise out of you and I would be lying to say that you had not entered my mind upon conception of this fine thread. After all, you are the ' King ' of the anti Class A crowd when it comes to recognizing the inevitable fact that the two class system is here to stay and as the sport grows the unthinkable 3rd Class of the future brought to light by the irrefutable Blues <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... smokin.gif ALT=":smokin"> Buddy is on it's way, but we won't go there out of respect for your cardiac condition. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> Your point of view however is well documented, however flawed, in that whether you like it or not the Class A Championship Trophy is a much coveted and treasured piece of hardware and there are many class AA teams that would fail in their quest to win it if they had the opportunity to do so. By the way old friend, didn't I read a statement by you saying that you refuse to discuss the Warroad Warriors recently or acknowledge their legitimacy as the true champions that they are? Something to the effect that you refuse to discuss Warroad's Warriors? <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... tongue.gif ALT=":p"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... ns/eek.gif ALT=":eek"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... smokin.gif ALT=":smokin"> ..GOTCHA!!..<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /devil.gif ALT=":evil"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/grin.gif ALT=" >D"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/pimp.gif ALT=":hat"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> L<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /alien.gif ALT="0]"> E, SL<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> PSH<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> TER. (...a legend in his <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> wn mind...)

bluesbuddy · Post by **bluesbuddy** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 2:28 am

if war-road beets da mere head sputniks on saterdalen-day, 'an merehead wins da aa chumpship series --- 'an war-road wins da a chumpship series --- den da war-road worriers are da state chumps an dare aint a godbout TVA dam ting yewz, er any uv yerz college frat buddies kin dewz 'bout it!@$!%#$@! da furst ting dey {worriers} 'av ta do is beat da sputniks frum mere head. den da rest uv da cards willz fall inta place! 'cuz wheeze ahlz knowz dat da mere head taterheads willz win da aa Y.A. Title {ex QB frum da NY giants frum daze uv yore} <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... smokin.gif ALT=":smokin"> yewz guyz hang in dare --- cuz ah gotta go to da commode and sit and tink. den ah am gonna read da sportz suction.

atthepoint · Post by **atthepoint** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 7:37 am

Slapper, Is there any truth to the rumor that in an effort to move to class A, EP and Centennial have petitioned the League to be allowed to only have to count players trying out for the team as school population. This would give them approximately the same count as Warroad's high school. After the loss to SLP and knowing that Breck Beat SLP twice and Benilde beat Breck, Edina declined to join the petition feeling they would have a better chance in AA.

JLS 81 · Post by **JLS 81** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 9:19 am

Yes Petey is once again on the money. We all have choices to make and it comes down to personal preference, some like city living, some prefer the north woods, so be it. Too bad whoever is doing the assessment does not have to drive daily on the most outdated road system on the planet. That will put a crimp in just about anyone's life style not to mention keep you on the road systems anywhere from 2-3 hours in bad traffic. Petey may have a JC Penny 30 minutes from his sustainable living environment but it takes him 1 hour to get there 30-45 minutes to drive and 15-30 minutes to find a parking spot. I only have an hour to drive to a JC Penny's and it is a very nice drive at that. St. Paul now that is the place to be. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/wink.gif ALT=";)">

Green and White Fan · Post by **Green and White Fan** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 9:33 am

I am not sure where Oldschool gets his info? Most NHL's than any town in the world???? Besides recruiting and UND, what does the Marvins name bring to hockey. I will give you the Christians, but get your facts straight. Roseau loses to Warroad and then goes AA and beats mediocre teams. Roseau lost 1 game in 1990 in route to a true state championship, Roseau lost 1 game in 1999 in route to a true state championship. None of those losses were to Warroad and I believe the clock was running in a 99 game. What I am getting at is that small school's programs are cyclical. You have great years and you have bad years. Roseau has a tradition in 1 class hockey and has won state tournaments since the advent of 2 class hockey. For that reason we have elected to continue with the big dogs. Travel is not a factor as we have always made a cities swing and have had cities teams in here. The only travel that is unfortunate, is the play-offs always being in St. Cloud. It is a fact of life and we live with it. Usually Roseau has more fans at their play-off games when played in St. Cloud including games played against Apollo. The town is behind the AA commitment. Sure we have been down for a few years. We have for the most part played with the kids who have came through are system and have not elected to break the low points in the cycle by recruiting. Our bantam A team has lost 3 games this year. Our bantam B team has lost 2. Our peewee A and B teams our leading the disrict and our squirts have less than 5 losses. We have great numbers and depth and know that we will be competing for a AA region title very soon. That is good enough for us. We would rather get to state and have a crack occassionally in AA. That philosophy may change someday. Warroad has a different philosophy. They never had success in one class hockey, at least to the point where they could hang a banner. They enjoy winning class A and having their name and program at the top each year. Not a bad philosophy, just different than our beliefs. I feel if they had ever tasted from the big cup things might be different for them. The way it is now, more power to them. They just have to watch how they brag and say they are the best, because they will never truly get the respect that this or next years teams may deserve, because it is class A.

joe lulic · Post by **joe lulic** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 10:13 am

Now we know what Pete Rozele felt like when Joe Willie made good on his guarantee. Incedible that slappy starts this topic mere hours before an evening of competition that could change everthing. The supremists will be talkin merger.

puck99 · Post by **puck99** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 10:15 am

The rain may be fallin' for class AA today but it'll be sunny tommorrow. SOME class A schools can compete with the AA boys, but most get manhandled. I use that word because most of the AA programs have Junior and D-1 prospects on thier team. I don't know too many A schools, besides maybe Warroad, that have that. And, not every team is going to stay 100% through the whole season. These are young kids who aren't conditioned to a 50 game schedule, only 25, injuries and illness can play a part in a teams lack of vigor during a contest. Oh and if my memory serves me correctly Hill and Edina were both missing players. So give credit to the coaching staffs of both BSM and SLP for exploiting it and getting them the victory.

atthepoint · Post by **atthepoint** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 10:37 am

puck99, Here is one site where you can do a little research, then you will know lots of A players that have continued playing. <a href="http://www.geocities.com/dent0110/div12 ...

puck99 · Post by **puck99** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 11:17 am

I wouldn't really say 'lots' considering there only 60 or so low D-1 to WCHA(top end) players out of 210 total MN players at a D-1 programs right now since as early as a 1996 grad class (Nick Stodgell, Wayne State, Warroad Warriors). I think that having two classes is great for hockey but when someone asks me which Class plays overall better competition, I would side with AA. On the other hand if you asked if I thought an A team could beat a AA, I would say absolutely. But AA enjoys advantages over A programs: school size, location, access to proper trainging facilities. Not all of you may agree on these 3, but playing beyond HS I know that these play important factors in the success of any program. This is just to make a few points, but if there were any suggestions or theories on how to make all of Class A more appealing to the fans, that is one of the earlier arguements, I wouldn't want to try and conjure anything up cause I couldn't. Except play more AA schools....better competition!

JLS 81 · Post by **JLS 81** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 11:20 am

Thanks for telling it like it is. You get major props from me for staying in AA and for that Roseau is always a favorite of mine when you make a state appearance. Roseau and Greenway do something the "pretenders" will not, pony up to play AA which by far has the better OVERALL teams.. Slapshooter and all the warroad fans can blow smoke all they want to about how great Warroad is and justify their A existance more power to them. They have a great program which plays in the A tournament with one of the best coaching staffs in the state and still refuse to lock horns with Edina's, Centennial's and the Hill Murray's etc, yet still a few come on here trying to claim that one win over Moorhead will place them at the ranks of the greatest team in the state. Hardly the case for warroad, they are a very good team but great teams play up end of story.That staement being made does not asusme there are not good teams in single A as we all know ther are good teams. I used to like cheering for Warroad but for mi it is getting harder to do the way they steal games from teams in their own barn( it has been done on more than one occasion) I would like to see Virigina or I-Falls put a stop to them in the semi finals this season if LOW does not close the deal. Guarenteed if Moorhead loses tonight slapshooter will have a field day telling everyone how great his Warroad club is. If Warroad goes on to win the single A and Moorhead the AA lets not puff up the fact that Warroad is a great team, good yes, but great no. If they played up and won the AA I would be the first to admit they were a great team in 2003-2004.

slapshooter · Post by **slapshooter** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:06 pm

Green and White and JLS 81 make some interesting observations, but the only problem may be that by the time Roseau gets back on track for a run for for a state title, they might not get any ' respect ' if they remain in what could be by then, that lowly class AA bunch. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> Right Joe? <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /devil.gif ALT=":evil"> But then again, that scenario definately goes ' Against the Grain ' of a good many folks in and around these waters doesn't it? <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... lasses.gif ALT="8)"> L<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /alien.gif ALT="0]"> E, SL<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> PSH<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> TER. (...a legend in his <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> wn mind...)

atthepoint · Post by **atthepoint** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:16 pm

puck99, You left out the number 1 factor - genetics.

jwatching · Post by **jwatching** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:22 pm

Class AA or Class A, it doesn't matter. The fact remains the same- most everything in life is cyclical. Sure One big State tourney is great, it was nice to see smaller schools come down, over or up and take on the so-called giants of the metro. Hence your Warroads and Roseau's of the 60,70,80's. But the metro areas have produced just as many so called dynasty's. Class A has produced many D1 kids over the past few years, so has Class AA. Let's face the honest truth most kids playing varsity hockey today have hopes and aspirations of moving on past HS, reality tells us most will not, class A dominates this year in kids who are moving on to Juniors or right into D1 teams. It all boils down to talent, and right now most of the Class A schools have the talent, it is because these kids will get the best of both worlds, education and sports. I like the fact the AA schools are playing the A schools we are seeing some really good hockey games, It's not the kids fault that size of their schools enrollement doesn't meet the AA criteria, they are playing and winning, maybe the time has come for the State AA Champ to Play the State A champ.......? Bottom line talent is talent and it must be appreciated no matter what size school it's at. As far as I am concerned sounds like someone has serious sour grapes and they just don't get it.

slapshooter · Post by **slapshooter** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:36 pm

jwatching, Excellent 1st post! I love it! <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> WELCOME Watch your back around here though, as even though your post is right on the money, the idea that you set forth just might be totally ' Against the Grain ' for a good many of the f<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... rassed.gif ALT=":o"> lks in these waters isn't it? <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /devil.gif ALT=":evil"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/wink.gif ALT=";)"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /devil.gif ALT=":evil"> L<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /alien.gif ALT="0]"> E, SL<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> PSH<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> TER. (...a legend in his <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> wn mind...)

bluesbuddy · Post by **bluesbuddy** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:55 pm

"Besides recruiting and UND, what does the Marvins name bring to hockey?" --qwoted frum dat green with envy fan.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/sick.gif ALT=":x"> let me tellz yewz dat da marvins brought a helluva lot to da great game uv hockey. cal marvin is one uv da original godfathers uv da game and he knows more hockey people dan anybody in da fine state uv minny soda----- ------bud salem, pat finnegan, sergio gambucci, oscar almquist, john mayasich, jack petroske, mike castellano, oscar mahle, doug woog, da late herbert brooks, larry ross, john matchefts, slapshooter, rube bjorkman, ray beauchamp, bob strand, john noah, jim medved, ralph englestad, neal broten, craig sarner, cliff strand, badger bob johnson, henry boucha, tom saterdalen, terry cullen, buzzy christiansen, cary eades, william gavin, bob gernander, ted brill, bryan grand, myron graftsrom, george perpich, gene sack, dave peterson, chuck grillo, rube gustafson, george karn, cliff monsrud, ken mcfadden, dave morinville, cliff thompson, john mariucci, bob peters, bart larson, and da christian brothers and son dave --- just to name a fewz. yewz --- green wit envy fan --- ahm surprized dat yewz being frum da rozo county --- dont know what contributions to da great game uv hockey da marvins 'av contributed. mah-self just gave yewz da state uv minny soda list uv 'hoo's hoo' dat calvin haz crossed paths wit. yewz otta see da international list. just da canadian list alone willz blow yerz-self away. 'av yewz fergotten dat dos lakers frum war-road won da national amateur chumpship {in ---- CANADA?!?!?!} <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... smokin.gif ALT=":smokin"> sumwon otta knock yewz along side uv da head to wake yewz up to lurn a bit more 'bout hockey historical perspective in yerz neck uv da woods. maybee mah-self could enlighten yewz 'oer a cupple uv ales @ frankensteins place in war-road {not Frank's TV Repair in rozo}<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /laugh.gif ALT=":lol">

petey1321 · Post by **petey1321** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 1:00 pm

Yeah, the Class A champion should get to play the Class AA champion to determine the true champion. And then Duke's men's team can face Duke's women's team to see who the best basketball team is (because they've obviously faced the same obstacles to win those titles, given that they are of equal value; Fergus Falls is obviously as tough to beat as Holy Angels, for instance, while Tennessee's womens team is just as good as UConn's men). Then we could bring in the Frankfurt Galaxy to play the Patriots (or the Panthers) to see who the best football team is, too. Give it a rest, folks. There are several Class A teams who can play against any team in the state, but top to bottom it's not even close. 14 of Lee's top 20 are AA, and I'd say roughly 40 (I didn't count) of his top 50 are AA as well. What this tells me is that winning the Class A tournament means going through a lot weaker talent than going through the AA tournament, and there really is no argument to be made to the contrary. The best teams in Class A already have the option of facing the AA champion...they just have to show some guts and play in the big tournament instead of beating on teams like Princeton or Hibbing when they could be playing Hill-Murray, Eden Prairie, or even Lakeville. It's their choice, and they made it, and now they can live with being the best of the rest. It's just a shame that we'll never know if Warroad or Breck could have beaten Edina when it really matters most. But, Edina can't make that decision, only those A schools who feel they deserve to be considered the best can make that decision.

slapshooter · Post by **slapshooter** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 1:40 pm

petey, L<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /alien.gif ALT="0]"> E ya man but, Every word you say is a SL<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... ns/mad.gif ALT=">:"> M on Class A ! And that just seems to go ' Against the Grain ' of a good many folks around these waters doesn't it? <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> L<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /alien.gif ALT="0]"> E, SL<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> PSH<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> TER. (...a legend in his <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> wn mind...)

petey1321 · Post by **petey1321** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 2:33 pm

I don't mean to rag on these teams. If there's one thing even I'll admit about Class A, it allows teams like Wadena Deer Creek to actually have a chance to win a bunch of games, and there's a lot more chances for people to play. I just have very little patience for teams that dominate Class A (especially teams like Breck and Blake, who are in absolutely no different position than Holy Angels yet for some reason play against teams from Mora and Two Harbors) trying to claim that it's just as much of an accomplishment to win the Class A title as it is to win the AA one. Winning 6 games in a row in March is certainly something to take pride in, but it's a whole lot easier to do it against Two Harbors and Mora than it is to do it against White Bear.

oldschool · Post by **oldschool** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 2:35 pm

You're right again petey, Moorhead will have the HUGE task of beating River Lakes in round one(as they have done in the past 2 years) then they will probably get some team like St. Cloud Apollo, and then the REAL challenge, Roseau or St.Cloud Tech.............This would be Warroad's first three "rigorous" games in their six game "survival" if they were in the almighty class AA...............nice try...................and actually green and white, I am not a Warroad fan, but I do not criticize whqat they do and I enjoy watching class a hockey, as well as AA, both entertaining.............. It WAS cited on a national news program that Warroad WAS the #1 producer of NHL players in the world, for being so close, you REALLY are smart aren't you????? And YES, Roseau DID lose to Warroad in the 8a championships for a couple years in a row, and they DID have to beat mediocre teams to get to state........(unless you want to call the st. cloud schools of the day powers).......... I never made a claim that Warroad did anything in single class, and never sought to put down Roseau, but look at it in a different view............I am a fan of the Rams, I do wish they would go to the state again and win, but they will have to have some luck.

rustyblade · Post by **rustyblade** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 2:38 pm

Petey made the point as clear as possible. The only ones who feel this is "against the grain" are those who seem to have to justify the A/Tier II/B tournament as a championship tournament. It is, at best, a tournament of 2-3 very good teams that could possibly be the best teams in the state of MN. Warroad will most likely have a more difficult time getting out of their section than winning in the state tournament. Moorhead however, will breeze through the section tournament, but have great difficulty winning the state championship. Warroad must, and could very likely win this Saturday in Warroad, to have any contention that they are the "best" team in Minnesota.

atthepoint · Post by **atthepoint** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 2:44 pm

Actually Petey, Breck, Blake, and AHA are not the same. It is much more difficult to get into Breck or Blake. They both have tougher entrance requirements, class size restrictions, and much higher price tags than AHA.

petey1321 · Post by **petey1321** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 2:56 pm

Are you going to tell me that there have been no exceptions made for any of the players on those teams to get in with questionable grades? I doubt it. At any rate, I'd say future Crimson Mike Taylor would have had no problem getting into any of those schools. The point remains: just because the schools are small in class size does not mean that they are small in talent base like a Roseau is. They get kids from all over the metro, and to claim that they face the same constraints putting together a team that Little Falls faces is laughable.

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