Moorhead Transfers

slapshooter · Post by **slapshooter** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:55 am

You think it's easy to just jump into Moorheads Roster? Excepting unless your last name happens to be SL<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> PSH<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> TERS<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> N y<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/sick.gif ALT=":x"> u better think again! I talked to the parents of a junior on Moorheads JV team who transferred from across the river just to be part of a better program! Nobody's givin' away positions on that team either and you'd better earn your keep! What about those guys? L<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /alien.gif ALT="0]"> E, SL<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> PSH<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> TER. (...a legend in his <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> wn mind, as well as his ancestors the SL<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> PSH<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> TERS<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> N'S { who came over with Columbus} <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> wn legendary minds...)

ezpuck · Post by **ezpuck** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:40 am

So do players who switch to a private school when they get to high school fall into the same category as those who open enroll when they get to high school? If not, why not. If so , why.

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:09 am

ezpuck, While each situation is unique, at least the argument can be made (and a good one) that the switch was for academics. This is a very interesting thread, with quite a diversity of opinions. But I think the big question is what makes MN High School Hockey so great? For me it's the community based approach. My town vs yours. I like it better than AAA hockey or Prep hockey that is predominant out east. It shouldn't be about who can assemble the best team. If you believe that, you probably root for the Yankee's.

Knowlze · Post by **Knowlze** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:37 am

Good point shooter. There are risks and pressure for Johnny Superstar, he has got to make the team like everyone else. I think it is interesting in some of the comments from teams/towns/associations that have lost players suggesting they have groomed Johnny Superstar and get hurt feelings when he leaves. If that is the case, why aren't the other players as good as Johnny? Ezpuck, I think it is the same situation. They are going to what is perceived as a better situation (you can rationalize with academics if you want) for them. Again, this is not a huge problem. We are talking about a few players. We will always have my team/town/association verses yours, and it is giving everyone incentive to be better. That is the result of freedom and competition.

longrebound · Post by **longrebound** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:40 am

For those that didn't go to the link and read the article, here is a quote from it. I think that Coach Morinville feels like a lot of us ..... he hates the system, but he doesn't make the rules. "All of a sudden I found out he was here," Morinville said. "I didn't ask him why. I didn't ask Loos why, I didn't ask Hittle why. Once they're enrolled in school, they're enrolled in school. We can't be involved in it. And I'm not a big fan of this thing because we have a pretty good thing set up here with the youth program. There's a lot of people that have put in a lot of years." In other (very carefully chosen) words, not everyone is happy to have homegrown talent losing roster spots to free agents. A total of three players transferred into Moorhead during Morinville's first six years as head coach. Five more have followed in the past two years.

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:59 am

True he doesn't make the rules, but he is turning a blind eye to a worsening situation. Methinks Moronville sees greener pastures in his future.

Knowlze · Post by **Knowlze** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:08 am

Morinville is being political with that statement, as he should or he may loose players. Again, if the players aren't better, they won't make the team. If players start not making these teams, the won't move. The situation take care of itself, like all free markets do. Morinville wants to win like everyone else, and what is wrong with that as long as it is done within the rules?

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:23 am

Knowlze, I don't disagree that Morinville wants to win like everyone else. I have a question for you. Given the escalating transfers to already strong programs, who do you see winning section 8AA for the next 10 years? Do you not see that as a problem?

Knowlze · Post by **Knowlze** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:31 am

No this is not a problem. Moorhead did not achieve by getting players. They achieved by improving their program, which as a result attracts attention and players. Any other town/team/association can do the same and quite frankly, this gives them incentive to do just that, improve. A win-win situation.

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:41 am

I would agree with that if the playing field was level to begin with. Good coaching is great, but it's the number of kids that improves programs. The balance tips to moorhead from the beginning.

Knowlze · Post by **Knowlze** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:11 am

And you get kids from your own town/team/association interested with quality and success. It should not be about providing a level playing field. God gave everyone the same start, life, it is what you do with it that matters. Some won't have the opportunity that others will and some will achieve more than others, but we can all be proud if we do our best. Getting pretty deep here.

hockeyfan24 · Post by **hockeyfan24** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:29 am

I was just wondering if there's a rule regarding whether or not a player is allowed to transfer back after the seasons over or not. Can a player move back to their hometown after the season's done?

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:44 am

Yes he can transfer back, but he can no longer play high school sports. Bylaw 208 2.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp A transfer student is eligible for varsity competition if: A.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp the student is enrolling in 9th grade for the first time. B.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp the student transfers from one school district attendance area to another during the same academic school year or during the summer months preceding the start of an academic school year in which there is a change of residence and occupancy in Minnesota by the student’s parents or legal guardians. C.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp the student’s residence is changed pursuant to a child protection order placement in a foster home, or a juvenile court disposition order. D.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp the student was fully eligible and attending a Minnesota school on the last day of the previous school year and enrolls in and attends a new school on the first day of the school year under the provisions of Minnesota state law. A student is limited to one transfer under the provisions of this section during the student’s high school career, grades 9 – 12.

BDS · Post by **BDS** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 12:43 pm

Ok lets get back to the original thread here: 1. Morinville doesn't care if people transfer, he doesn't ask for them, he doesn't send them back 2. Players spots are not being taken, or at least the players don't feel that way 3. Fisher, Loos, and Hittle made the right moves by moving to Moorhead; Better recognition, better chance at making it farther in hockey, better competition 4. People only make a big deal about open enrollment why not get mad at the kids who leave their home association for private schools? 5. Moorhead didn't need the transfers to get to state, they are just fine on their own

diskman · Post by **diskman** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 1:51 pm

AND the rules are completely different if the player is from out of state. Then, all kinds of other rules and regulations take over.

loomisfshn · Post by **loomisfshn** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 4:00 pm

Maybe it said in the article but it doesn't seem to working right now so i cant read it but i was wondering if anybody knows whether or not these kids are physically being asked to come play in Moorhead or if they are just moving here on their own free will? If These kids are just moving here, Moorhead shouldn't be getting knocked for having one of the best programs in the state that everybody wants a part of. Also if i remember correctly, This transfer rule doesn't only apply to Moorhead. The whole state is open enrollment. It's a level playing field. If anybody has an advantage it would be private schools were there is money involved. Just wondering.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 4:12 pm

OK BDS ,But let me ask you this ( or any other Spud faithfull): Will the ulimate victory that is certain to come in March be in any way tainted by the fact that 3 transfers played a role in obtaining it? Ill tell you why I ask. I grew up in a hockey town that went to the State Tournament 20 some times and never won it. No big deal, still plenty to be proud of. But I dont know how I would feel if that finally did happen because of transfers. I dont think it would be as sweet. (Ill probably never know) So, for a lot of folks, there might be more to it than just the debating points that are commonly raised.

RLStars · Post by **RLStars** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 4:14 pm

There's not only money, there's active recruiting. Moorhead can not recruit players and I don't think anybody is saying they are. I don't believe Moorhead would jepardize the program that they've built for a couple players here and there that may or may not help them earn a championship. Look at all the youth levels Moorhead has, they are all good, and have some quality talent. I think the point of the thread is how people feel about players tranfering to a successful program (like Moorhead) for the hockey exposure. The article could have been about any team.

shooter57 · Post by **shooter57** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:30 pm

You all talk about loyalty to--town,school, program,coaches,teammates--thats all a bunch of B.S.Did they pay for-- ice-time,equipment,extra instruction,clinics,AAA summer hockey,car repairs,tires,doctor bills,skate sharpening,sticks,time,missed work,hotel bills,meals----I could go on and on and on...They don't care about a player that gets cut,doesn't make the team...thats where the Canadians have us beat all to hell. There is always some place for a player to play...they don't drop players on the wayside,players that haven't even reached their potential...We have much invested,a huge commitment of time,money,blood,sweat,and tears...Why do you piss and moan when we put our kids in a position to advance? They don't get slapped on the team, they earn their positions..even more so than staying at home, because they opted for better competition,much tougher than staying complacently at home ,with no need to work hard to improve,and keep your spot on the team...We are working to better our players,maybe get an education out of this. Don't condemn us for that! We don't know if that will happen,nothing is for sure..If you have not been in this position of development,don't be blowing smoke (whining) on this thread..it shows your ignorance...We know this dream may not come true,but at least we have one,and are trying...Do you realize what is at stake,an education is very,very,very expensive these days..

longrebound · Post by **longrebound** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:47 pm

Bartender -- I'll have what shooter's having only make mine a double.

BDS · Post by **BDS** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:00 pm

Ok Packerboy, here is how I see it, does AHA feel there loss is tainted? Do any other private schools that have won feel there loss is tainted? Probably not, why should they? If anything they should be proud that people want to play for their team. In no way will I feel that a state championship is tainted if Moorhead is to win it. The transfer students are just as much a part of the team as the kids who have been playing together since rookies.

shooter57 · Post by **shooter57** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:59 pm

rebound thanx for the support! We prolly could compare notes sometime...If you're into hockey like we are......We prolly have crossed pathes ....at one time or another....

Videoscout · Post by **Videoscout** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:18 am

You're as good as your competition. Experience breeds experience breeds experience which eventually rubs off. Simple common sense. Opportunity lost is opportunity gained. For every action there is a reaction. Survival of the fittest. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/pimp.gif ALT=":hat"> - "Capitalism did not arise because capitalists stole the land or the workmen's tools, but because it was more efficient than feudalism. It will perish because it is not merely less efficient than socialism, but actually self-destructive." -- J.B.S. Haldane, I Believe

longrebound · Post by **longrebound** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:19 am

Shooter -- actually it wasn't so much a show of support for your view, but an appreciation for laying it all on the table -- with passion and enthusiasm. This argument has been going on for years now. It started here with Corey Carlson going to Greenway, went to the Buffalo, Anoka, and Coon Rapids kids who went to Elk River, shifted over to Trebil stealing all the Jefferson guys, touched on Eastview and Duluth East for a minute, went to Blake (or somebody) for stealing Minnetonka kids, St Cloud Tech taking Sartell kids, and the list goes on. This year it just happens to be Moorhead. What I find amusing out of the whole thing is this: How many parents with 5 or 6 year olds are buying homes in the Centennial, EP, WBL, Wayzata, Moorhead, etc school districts just because of their hockey programs. Even though a town next door might have the best school district in the state, these people buy in the district that has the best hockey program in hopes that little Timmy can play in the big dance in 12 years. Right? Wrong? To each his own. There are no winners in this whole debate. The kids who want exposure end up scorned by some, forgiven by others, and loved by family, but scarred in some way. Everywhere they go back in their hometown, some idiot is going to remind them of the time they left. The gaining school gets castigated through no fault of their own while the losing school uses the treasonous behavior as a crutch for poor performance, and little Timmy's dad realizes that he should have bought that house in Mahtomedi and spent his money on NASA camp instead of Heartland Hockey school because his kid got cut when he was a senior due to an open enrollee. I say we just go lace them up, drop the puck, play the game and go celebrate a good effort (win or lose) and move on. If Drew Fisher gets hurt in practice this week, Deutz plays in goal Saturday, and Moorhead beats Jefferson, does that legitimize the victory and change anybody's mind....no. If Fisher scores the game winner and Hittle pitches a shutout, does that make it tainted .... no. Lets put it away until next year when some hotshot moves into Wayzata or Centennial or WBL or (place team name here)and we have to relive it again. We'll see if everyone keeps their view the same when the shoe is on the other foot. I remember some Moorhead people taunting Warroad when Oshie and others moved there a few years ago. Oshie's dad was supporting his family and, when the time was right, he moved them back home. Good for you buddy. To say that the coaching staff at Moorhead would in any way encourage kids to move in just to make the team better is preposterous. Anyone who has heard the Scott Gomez story knows what I am talking about. But, once the student is enrolled, you treat him the same as all the other kids. It isn't fair that we trust you to defend the homeland with an M-16 three years before we will trust you with a beer in your hand either but sometimes the answer just has to be -- because that is the way it is. That is my point.

Videoscout · Post by **Videoscout** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:54 am

The cream of the crop has risen in Moorhead. It has taken a great many years and multiple hockey backgrounds that have given rise to this epiphany. There are many key "players" that have given invaluable input to the success of this program who have come from the great northwest, some from the great northeast and some from the great metropolitan areas of our biggest markets in this state. Anyone who has played high school hockey in the great northwest [specifically Section 8 but not limited to] should be proud of the players that Moorhead has produced. I can look in the stands at Moorhead high school games and see hockey influences of all ages, backgrounds and geographies and feel a great sense of pride. It's interesting to see that this player's parents are from Roseau, that one's are from Alexandria, that other one's are from Grand Forks, another one is from Thief River Falls, those four over there are from Crookston, that one standing behind the goal judges seat is from Red Lake Falls, and I really get a kick out of those from non-traditional hockey towns such as Rugby, North Dakota because it just goes to show how the sport can grab you at any age, whether you've played or not. When I played high school hockey, Roseau was one of the dominant teams in the state as they were ranked number one throughout the regular seasons in both my junior and senior years. They entered the state tournament in both seasons unbeaten and untied. They lost at state both years but that didn't shake my pride about that team or the section I felt loyal to, even if they beat our team soundly. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/pimp.gif ALT=":hat"> -- "The train is back and in full-repair. Let's hope it can withstand the obstacles obstructing the cow-plow. Last year Orono and Centennial derailed that train and in fine fashion. This year, adjustments had been made so the space shuttle can complete it's mission before too many tiles fall off and jeapordize the mission!" --- Slapshooter, while waiting in the green room just before his interview with Bill O'Reilly. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p074.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... eoscout</A> at: 2/1/05 2:02 am

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