Moorhead Transfers

PuckMan433
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Re: Morehead Transfers

Post by PuckMan433 » Fri Jan 28, 2005 3:04 pm

Players that transfer are what I would consider unloyal. Not in all cases.. but in a case where someone moves from a good team to a great team.. whats the point? <p></p><i></i>

Gamblin D
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Re: Agree

Post by Gamblin D » Fri Jan 28, 2005 3:21 pm

As he said - Let the Excuses and Justifications Begin. <br><br>Not too hard to tell which ones have moved their kids around is it? <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rollin --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

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Re: Knowlze

Post by ezpuck » Fri Jan 28, 2005 3:31 pm

I agree completely! Free market environments keeps everyone working to be the best. If you don't want to lose players create a program that maximizes meeting the needs of those participating.<br><br> Loyalty is an interesting word.... Loyalty can refer to one individual to another, or it can refer to ones ideals, goals, and desires.<br><br> GamblinD - You can also tell who has sour grapes REAL easy. I think you will find many of those commenting on the topic aren't directly involved in an open enroll situation but are willing to put some logic into the discussion instead of emotion. <p></p><i></i>

farmerspud
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Loyalty, excuses and justification??????

Post by farmerspud » Fri Jan 28, 2005 3:33 pm

Hey guys, <br>nobody is cheating here. Every team has to play by the same rules. If the rules say you can move, then pass go and collect $ 200.00. If they say "go to jail" then you don't get the $ 200. <br>Moving around doesn't guarantee you the money.....<br>It has nothing to do with loyalty, justification or excuses.<br>If you don't like the rules, then don't play the game.... <p></p><i></i>

carpenter guy
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Re: Knowlze

Post by carpenter guy » Fri Jan 28, 2005 3:37 pm

I for one have no vested interest in this other than that I enjoy high school hockey. The excuses and the justifications have started but they hold no weight with me. We have become a win at all cost society and "Little Johnny" needs to be the best or watch out mentality from parents. It's parent's that don't see the big picture that are the most to blame. Again no sour grapes just what I see. Again, I cannot wait for all the free country, choice and every other lame argument to be thrown out in the coming posts. <p></p><i></i>

cuda701
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Re: Agree

Post by cuda701 » Fri Jan 28, 2005 3:59 pm

In response to ezpuck regarding the 4 moves: I am going to do my best to recall (without naming cities) - These 3 hockey players lived in town #1 where they began playing hockey. The family was not satisfied with the program so they kept their players in town #1's school - and played hockey all in youth groups in town #2. When the oldest reached high school level he began school in town #2. The younger ones staying in town #1's school system.<br><br>To cut to the point - (because this is going on and on.....) By the time player (son #2) reached high school level they were disatisfied with town #2's hockey program. He went to school in town #3 and played hockey there. And on to the disatisfaction of town #3 went to town #4 with son #3.<br><br>Oh yeah - this is clear as mud, but it did happen and anyone coaching for any period of time would know the family because although this was not in the metro area there were people who knew about the town hopping family.<br><br>This is an extreme situation and most aren't quite this extreme. Huh, make sense?<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

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Re: Carpenter Guy

Post by icedreamer11 » Fri Jan 28, 2005 4:13 pm

You couldn't be more wrong on our "win at all costs, statement about society" It is the opposite, listen to the whining about how "everybody should get a chance to play" We try so hard to keep these kids from ever experiencing dissappointment that when they finally do they don't know how to react. Look at most of these Youth tourneys, everybody that Participates gets a prize (trophies, medals, plaques,etc.) Where's the motivation? Most of these kids are coddled to the point it's a disservice when they enter a less forgiving "Real World" situation. Excuses and Justifications?? Read my earlier post.....Compete, Dominate, or get the hell out of the way. Ask your father or Grandfather, they'll probably understand. <p></p><i></i>

carpenter guy
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winning

Post by carpenter guy » Fri Jan 28, 2005 4:17 pm

My grandfather would turn over in his grave with all of this.<br><br>You are right that we do want everyone to succeed but at the same time the ME attitude is more prevelant than ever before. Everybody is an ALL STAR at least in the parents eyes. There is no argument that will make me believe having kids leave a school just to play with a better team, coach or whatever else is healthy in the long run. <p></p><i></i>

Knowlze
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carpenter guy

Post by Knowlze » Fri Jan 28, 2005 5:43 pm

What is Lame about free country and choices? The alternative is somebody else making your choices. I also have no personal interest in open enrollment. Our youngest son is a senior playing hockey for the public school in the area that we live. With regards to winning, I think it is very important, not only in sports but in life. It beats the alternative, losing. I disagree that our society promotes winning at all costs, that would include cheating, and presently open enrollment is legal. Little Johnny should be encouraged to work hard and be the best. Too many kids and parents want to be the best, but are not willing to put in the hard work. Open enrollment promotes becoming the best and encourages every other team to compete to become the best themselves. What is wrong with that? <p></p><i></i>

carpenter guy
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be the best you can

Post by carpenter guy » Fri Jan 28, 2005 9:56 pm

I agree that everyone should strive to be the best they can be. However that doesn't make it alright to switch schools just for a sport. If you work hard in life you will succeed no matter the circumstances. Again, nobody will convince me that transferring for sports is good for the kid in the long run. There are a few exceptions but overall this is abused by parents and a few high school programs in the state. <p></p><i></i>

RinkRat10506
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Being the best you can be

Post by RinkRat10506 » Fri Jan 28, 2005 11:25 pm

I just don't see how transfering to another school will help you be a better hockey player. Being a good hockey player takes alot of practice and dedication. You don't need to play for Moorhead, Warroad, Duluth East or any other great team to become good at hockey, just like you don't need to go to some other school to get good grades. I think what this transfering is all about is people just want to win. In my opinion winning is not everything. <p></p><i></i>

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Re: Being the best you can be

Post by 2AhockeyOldTimer » Sat Jan 29, 2005 11:22 am

It makes you a better hockey player by playing with better hockey players. You should know, Horbacz left mora for a reason. <p></p><i></i>

oletimer
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Bad situation

Post by oletimer » Sat Jan 29, 2005 12:22 pm

I'm sure it's the least of their problems, but these transfers forget, is what an uncomfortable position they but their new coaches, schools, and communities in. Moorhead, and I assume/hope other top programs do not encourage transfers and would in fact discourage them if they could, but open enrollment makes it a fact of life. Moorhead is deep enough that without any help they would probably be in the same spot they are now. Nine tourney apperaances since 92 would lead you to believe that. The transfer situation just creates a bad expierence for the all the homegrown players affected. <p></p><i></i>

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Transferring

Post by pocketkk » Sat Jan 29, 2005 1:30 pm

Don't get me wrong... I don't like the idea of transferring. A few posts earlier someone stated that they don't see how playing on a team like Moorhead makes a player better. Well first lets look at I Falls schedule vs. Moorhead. I'd say Moorhead's schedule is much more competitive. Playing against better competition will make you a better player. Secondly, and most important is the level of competition you are practicing against every day. You are competing against the best players in the state every day in practice. And believe me.... Moorhead works extremely hard in practice. So saying that moving to Moorhead from a less skilled team will not make you a better hockey player just isnt true. <p></p><i></i>

nwhky
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Re: Transferring

Post by nwhky » Sat Jan 29, 2005 8:04 pm

Happens all the time around the state of MN, but when it happens in MHD, oh my GOD, it's a sin. <p></p><i></i>

cuda701
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Re: Transferring

Post by cuda701 » Sat Jan 29, 2005 8:36 pm

I don't think that was the intent - the thread began because of a newspaper article.<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

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The kid nailed it

Post by JLS 81 » Sun Jan 30, 2005 1:18 am

bronco4life is dead on although he may not articulate it well enough for many to mention in this thread that he is absolutely right. In the Falls is hurts to lose a kid of young Fisher's ability and skill. Yes and by all means open enrollment is here to stay that point has been quite well documented. My God man some have become far to cynical in an age where instant gratification rules the day. Truelly we can fully see that all aspects of sport reflect that notion as well, this day in age, even sad to say down to the amature level. Truelly that is what we are dealing with here is sport played by amature's. Enjoyed by many as it has been in the past (at least) the truest form of competition. In today's society that is hard to find, no matter where we look. <br>Open enrollment right or wrong is just a reflection of today's "me'ism" mentality. Certainly young Mr. Fisher may very well win a chamionship with Moorhead. Will it be all that gratifying to him or any other kid who jumps to a team because they feel it is the right fit? If so how could it possibly be "awesome" or the "best experience" ever? Those feelings and emotions take time and years to develop with kids, friends, colleagues with whom you have worked hard with and experienced ups and downs with all in order to achieve a goal or objective or by God "die trying". <br>If not men like Herb Brooks, Neal Broton, Darby Hendricksen, Gino Guyer would not state the greatest experience of their lives was playing and or winning a state tournament as the best experience ever. These men have all experienced the pinnacle of hockey achievement at international, professional and college levels yet all have quoted the greatest exerience is competing with guys you grew up with at the state hockey tournament.<br>Yes, we indeed have open enrollment but more important do we have kids who still dream? I think we have lost that today that ability to dream such big dreams of achieving, striving, working, commiting. Things seem to come too easy and it appears from this perspective anyway to tarnish our expriences greatly. <p></p><i></i>

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Post by slapshooter » Sun Jan 30, 2005 1:40 am

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Knowlze
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Re: The kid nailed it

Post by Knowlze » Sun Jan 30, 2005 4:01 pm

The kids need to quit dreaming, and work hard and achieve, like Brooks, Broten, Hendrickson, and Guyer. <p></p><i></i>

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Re: The kid nailed it

Post by puckswerestones » Sun Jan 30, 2005 7:20 pm

alot of people that put the efforts into the youth teams that develope these players feel snubbed by them leaving. So why dont we just call the moorhead team "moorhead -alexyouth-international falls youth ect team" then you have all the efforts of coaches and youth programs reconized that have contributed and nobodys feelings are hurt. Or a footnote next to thier record acknowlegeing that the team is useing players developed elsewhere,anyone losing a player would love that one. Sure do see the transfers rights to better themselves but i see town hockey going down the drain. Whos got the fix? <p></p><i></i>

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Rats leaving the ship

Post by 4checker » Sun Jan 30, 2005 9:02 pm

I've always tried to stay away from these touchy topics, but for some reason I feel like putting in my $.02.<br>People need to speak from personal experience. I belong to a "crappy" outstate single A program. You know - the type that all you "experts" love to rip on. (Like you actually have something to do with "your" team being better than everyone else). Follow them, support them, be a fan. But don't try to degrade the programs who lose the kids you are speaking about. The "superstar" players and their parents you are discussing made up their mind a long time ago that they would pursue their <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>dream</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->. Some consider that dream to be pathetic, some consider it to be noble. <br>Our program has never been to the State Tournament. But we have watched while kids who started here have "made it" with some other program of their choosing. We'd be lieing if we said it didn't hurt a little. But in the end, we don't love our teams out here any less. We travel to every game just like the Moorhead or Centennial fans do, we buy the clothes with our school's logo on them, we question the coaches decisions, and we wonder why some nights the boys play great and the next night they don't. And we love doing it as much as you do. Fortunately for you, your season lasts a little longer than ours does. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br>Each situation is unique, some players move to the "big city" just for hockey, some because their parents are re-located legitimately. In sports and in life, there are two types of people - those who accept their current situation, bear down and try their best to make their team better, and then there are those who would rather slip into the "better" team's dressing room, because <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>It's easier. </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <br>Not all of these situations are that simple. In most of the instances we have faced out here, the results are the same. There is an initial time of bitterness, then some second-guessing of the program's direction. But in time, every one of these situations has come to the same conclusion - The program goes on, and other good kids get to experience being a part of the greatest game going. As far as "getting noticed", if I was a scout, I'd be really impressed with a kid who felt it was his duty to be a leader of his home town team. But that's just me. Maybe colleges and Junior teams are actually looking for players who bail out and head to already succesful programs. Good luck with that - you'll get what you asked for. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

Ohfor32
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Re: Rats leaving the ship

Post by Ohfor32 » Sun Jan 30, 2005 11:42 pm

Questions: What skill or skills are needed to compete in a global economy? What skill or skills are needed to get an education to compete in the global market? In a lifetime will you make more money in the workplace or the sports arena?<br>One way to control open enrollment in sports, make the student play one year on the J.V. and maintain academic standards. Universities, colleges and trade schools have no problem finding talented people, athletic scouts are the same. <p></p><i></i>

Knowlze
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Re: Rats leaving the ship

Post by Knowlze » Mon Jan 31, 2005 12:18 am

It doesn't need to be controlled. It's not a big problem, except for a few who get their feelings hurt. The player/family that leaves probably burns bridges, but that is their perogative, the risk they take, and something they have to deal with. Nobody else should really care. Again, if you don't want to loose players, don't give them any reason to leave. <p></p><i></i>

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Re: Rats leaving the ship

Post by longrebound » Mon Jan 31, 2005 12:35 am

4checker -- <br><br>Just out of curiosity, if a kid from your hometown had an opportunity to pass up his senior year and go to the USHL or to Ann Arbor, to play with and against the best players in the country, what would your advice be? Is this kid different than the one that utilizes open enrollment? <p></p><i></i>

4checker
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Ann Arbor or USHL?

Post by 4checker » Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:17 am

Excellent question. <br>I see what you are getting at, but if that kid had played his little heart out for us up until that time, (his senior year) we'd probably hang up his jersey, help him move, and support him every day. Ann Arbor or the USHL would be honors he deserved because of his performance in our program. Great for him. Every little kid in our association would follow his career and probably want to be just like him. He would be representing the school and program he was last at. Going on to another high school team, however, would imply nothing but negatives about his old school or program. <br>I do get your point, tho, and I appreciate that each situation warrants a closer examination before condemning the decision. The more I thought about it, I should have simply shortened my first post by saying -<br>Sometimes it's just better to let them go. Most of the parents pushing little Johnny Superstar are better off being far away, if you know what I mean. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

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