Best Coaches in each Section?

gophermadman · Post by **gophermadman** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 1:39 pm

greatone wrote:Should we count recruiting into the equation?

yes, or else we cant call Ikola and Saterdahlen good coaches

southernlakes29 · Post by **southernlakes29** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 1:42 pm

totaldominance wrote:1AA - KURT WEBER

agreed...

gophers101 · Post by **gophers101** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:47 pm

Lechner is awesome along with Pauly and Trebil. In the north I think Bruce Plante of Hermantown and Mr. Oliver of Roseau are good as well.

SECBLUES · Post by **SECBLUES** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:31 pm

youngblood08 wrote:
the brickwall wrote:I think Wes Bolin needs to be mentioned . He has turned the entire woodbury program around. Not just at the high school level but for the youth.

How do you figure?

I agree he is good and has done a great job with the high school but how do you figure in the youth level? Don't you think just winning at the high school has been a boost, how about the amount of kids that woodbury has? Think that just figures in? The kids at the high school now were all at Bill Moore's PDP program when they were in squirts and peewees you don't think that figures in? What, Bolin sticks his head in the room and now you are all smarter? The guy came into a dream situation, a program with numbers and parents with deep pockets, you have a number of coaches with D1 and D3 playing experience. There are more kids in Woodbury playing hockey year round then ever, They didn't lose but a few kids to privates out of this group. The ride will slowly come to a halt once the new high school comes into play and Bolin leaves for greener pastures. Just wait for the Woodtick drama once kids have to leave for the new high school and one team wins more then the other. It will become another Rochester and tear itself apart for years to come.

Woodbury had far more individual talent on there teams while Bill Moore was at the helm. He could not figure out how to bring the teams to the level that Wes Bolin has. The players play there heart out for Wes Bolin and if he were to leave, their system would fall apart the way you are contemplating. Wes Bolin is the reason that they are not losing as many player to the local private recruiting academy's. It is easy to call Bill Lechner a great coach when you get a lot of the local area talent and put them all on the same team. We could take a coach off of the team with the worst record in the twin cities, and he would be mentioned on this thread if he was coaching at Hill Murray.

Hockeyguy_27 · Post by **Hockeyguy_27** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 10:14 pm

Trebil is the best coach in the state, in my humble opinion.

2good4u · Post by **2good4u** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 12:07 pm

most def. plante needs to be mentioned,

starmom · Post by **starmom** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 12:10 pm

Good coaches don't need to recruit. Players will come to them., even if it means faking residence in a district or moving into a new school district

wallythebeerman · Post by **wallythebeerman** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 10:40 am

Sager and Nitti at White Bear Lake are Tied with Pauletti at Roseville.

Both staffs seem to get the most out of their players.

I like Lechner, but always has more horses than most.

talkofthetown17 · Post by **talkofthetown17** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 3:39 pm

ndirishfighting wrote:7A Hibbing Mr.Decenzo and in 7AA Duluth East Mr.Randolph

Thats a bold statement putting Randolph over someone who will possibly know as one of the top three coaches all time. He will be there in wins at least. THat man is Tony Sarsland he was a low key mellow guy you would pick him in a heartbeat he has had one losing season since 1993 or something like that

Post by **karl(east)** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 3:55 pm

talkofthetown17 wrote:
ndirishfighting wrote:7A Hibbing Mr.Decenzo and in 7AA Duluth East Mr.Randolph
Thats a bold statement putting Randolph over someone who will possibly know as one of the top three coaches all time. He will be there in wins at least. THat man is Tony Sarsland he was a low key mellow guy you would pick him in a heartbeat he has had one losing season since 1993 or something like that

7AA has three very good candidates for this honor. LaRocque is almost unanimously praised for his efforts up in Rapids, Sarsland's record speaks for itself, and Randolph took a good-but-not-great program and turned it into one of the best in the state. He is also closing in on a rather major milestone (currently sitting at 399 career wins). He's stirred up his share of controversy, but the results are there.

warriors41 · Post by **warriors41** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:37 pm

starmom wrote:Good coaches don't need to recruit. Players will come to them., even if it means faking residence in a district or moving into a new school district

Amen. Thats what Warroad experiences sometimes. But they still get crap for it. We just have a good record of coaches that kids like. Another thing people don't realize is that some kids move here because they like they players on the team. Marvins doesn't pick these kids up all the time like some want to believe

SB24 · Post by **SB24** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:13 pm

lol warriors you are dumb...no one is moving to warroad for the coach.

maybe 5 years ago.

Papa Bergundy · Post by **Papa Bergundy** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:58 pm

Can we get one topic that doesn't bring up recruiting?

Seriously, it's getting old.

Better count out any STA coaches cause they should be AA

joycer10 · Post by **joycer10** » Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:20 pm

3aa: Wes Bolin, took Woodbury from SEC trash to SEC Champs and back to state qualifiers in just a few years

CB00 · Post by **CB00** » Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:29 pm

7AA Sarsland hands down

Post by **karl(east)** » Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:32 pm

CB00 wrote:7AA Sarsland hands down

I don't have a problem with him being put #1 in the section, but #1 hands down seems like a stretch with LaRocque and Randolph also in the mix.

EHSHack · Post by **EHSHack** » Fri Jan 30, 2009 11:09 pm

Both Randolph and Sarsland have been in trouble with the administration also.
Im not sure of Sarsland's record, but Randolph has never had a losing season.

Golden Bear 10 · Post by **Golden Bear 10** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 12:30 am

My gold award will have to go to Roy Nystrom Albert lea. he has done a wonderful job down there.
My silver award goes to Keith Hendrickson of Virginia/MIB. the 25 year veteran keeps hockey alive on the Iron Range.
Bronze award goes to Tony Sarsland of Elk River.
others include: Bruce Plante- Hermantown
Mike Randolph- Duluth East
Ken Pauly-Benilde ST. Margarets
Tim Bergland-Thief River falls
Mike Pepera -Lake of the Woods
Bill Lechner-Hill Murray
David Esse-Cloquet

Tigers33 · Post by **Tigers33** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 8:26 am

A private school coach should not be allowed to win, until all private schools are in their own section. Come on guys...private schools might not officially recruit, but they get the top players from other programs. The coach of the year should be a coach that had to over come adversity somehow. I just think it is ridiculous that a private school coach can win this award. Think of the public school coach that loses his top 3 players each year to these schools. Now if that team has a good season then that is coming over adversity and still producing a quality product.

As of right now...I would said Maple Grove, Wayzata, South St. Paul, Woodbury, Red Wing, Virginia, and Hibbing are all teams that I would say their coach should be up for this award.

If Hill Murray wins the State Tournament then I would be the first one to admit that Lechner deserves it for everything he had to deal with this season. But guys like Trebil, Vanelli, Pauly, Randolph (might be accused of recruiting just as much as anyone else) should have the top teams each year, because they have the best players each year. Thus, in my opinion its tough for them to win coach of the year. I am a strong believer that coach of the year should not go to the best teams in each year.

Post by **karl(east)** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 10:04 am

Tigers33 wrote:A private school coach should not be allowed to win, until all private schools are in their own section. Come on guys...private schools might not officially recruit, but they get the top players from other programs. The coach of the year should be a coach that had to over come adversity somehow. I just think it is ridiculous that a private school coach can win this award. Think of the public school coach that loses his top 3 players each year to these schools. Now if that team has a good season then that is coming over adversity and still producing a quality product.

As of right now...I would said Maple Grove, Wayzata, South St. Paul, Woodbury, Red Wing, Virginia, and Hibbing are all teams that I would say their coach should be up for this award.

If Hill Murray wins the State Tournament then I would be the first one to admit that Lechner deserves it for everything he had to deal with this season. But guys like Trebil, Vanelli, Pauly, Randolph (might be accused of recruiting just as much as anyone else) should have the top teams each year, because they have the best players each year. Thus, in my opinion its tough for them to win coach of the year. I am a strong believer that coach of the year should not go to the best teams in each year.

While there might be some validity to this argument, I question it a bit. Pre-Randolph, Duluth East put up essentially the same records they did under him...but practically never went to state. I don't know the other coaches' scenarios quite as well, but AHA never went before Trebil, nor BSM before Pauly, and STA went once before Vanelli.

Might they enjoy some advantages? Perhaps. But I think a lot of what we perceive as "recruiting" has more to do with reputations that have been built up. These coaches don't really need to sell anything; the good players come to them.

I am no private school apologist, but if we were to put them all in one section, it'd probably kill MN HS hockey as we know it. They'd all go the way of Shattuck, and take loads of top-end talent with them.

GopherPuckPlayer · Post by **GopherPuckPlayer** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 10:15 am

Section 6A- Tony Couture has done a lot with what he has been dealt with in Little Falls.

stmartin123 · Post by **stmartin123** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 1:15 pm

Tigers33 wrote:A private school coach should not be allowed to win, until all private schools are in their own section. Come on guys...private schools might not officially recruit, but they get the top players from other programs. The coach of the year should be a coach that had to over come adversity somehow. I just think it is ridiculous that a private school coach can win this award. Think of the public school coach that loses his top 3 players each year to these schools. Now if that team has a good season then that is coming over adversity and still producing a quality product.

As of right now...I would said Maple Grove, Wayzata, South St. Paul, Woodbury, Red Wing, Virginia, and Hibbing are all teams that I would say their coach should be up for this award.

If Hill Murray wins the State Tournament then I would be the first one to admit that Lechner deserves it for everything he had to deal with this season. But guys like Trebil, Vanelli, Pauly, Randolph (might be accused of recruiting just as much as anyone else) should have the top teams each year, because they have the best players each year. Thus, in my opinion its tough for them to win coach of the year. I am a strong believer that coach of the year should not go to the best teams in each year.

Last I checked there is open enrollment everywhere. You may accuse private schools of recruiting because they put out quality teams year around, but you cant say that only private school coaches recruit. If I am not certain but public school coaches do have mouths too and they can talk just as well as private school coaches. So, quit you complaining. Heck this year you shouldn’t even be complaining because chances are not a single private school will make it to the tourney this year.

I don’t know how you can say that private schools receive all of the best players in the state. Edina, Jeff, Cent, Blaine. Who are they? I have no idea. Oh yeah they are public schools. They don’t have any good players.

Also I do remember a certain coach taking a terrible tonka team a turning them into a powerhouse. Stop being such a bias, narrow headed, ninny and enjoy high school hockey at its finest. Whether it’s a private school or public school.

Pucklvr · Post by **Pucklvr** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 1:29 pm

This is more of a rant than anything else but.........
My award goes out to all coaches for putting up with some stupid parents! Really. When did high school hockey become Pee-Wee's?? Not enough playing time? My child had two shifts less than that child? Yadda, yadda, yadda. GROW UP. These kids are at the high school level now, it isn't always fair!!

UGH, it is sometimes just disgusting to listen to some of them.

SOOO, THANK YOU COACHES for doing what you do.

Tigers33 · Post by **Tigers33** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 1:30 pm

Stmartin...You are the biggest moron on here. Try and actually make a good argument to this topic. My point was this; private schools typically get some of the better players from other programs. You dont see a 4th liner from Mound go to AHA and be their top player. Correct? You see top players going to these programs from lesser talented programs to give them a quality opportunity to go to STATE.

As far as open enrollment...there is no more open enrollment. Yes, a player can open enroll where ever they choose, but now it is not so simple as it used to be. There are steps to actually take in open-enrolling and their can be consequences for doing it. Learn the rules buddy.

The point I am trying to make is...the coach of the year should not always be the best team out there. That isn't what makes a good quality coach. A coach of the year should come from a team that most people didnt expect to be where they are this season. That is why I mentioned Maple Grove, Wayzata, and South St. Paul. Nobody at the beginning of the season would have put Maple Grove in the top 15, but now they are a state tournament contender. And no I am not from Maple Grove, actually live out in the country.

As far as Trebil...he got his program because he went in and got all of the Jefferson players when he came over from the Jefferson Bantam A. That is how their program got started. All these coaches are good coaches, but they also get some of the top players around the metro to come and play for them.

Coach of the year candidates for this season...South St. Paul, Red Wing, Hibbing, Virginia at class A...Maple Grove, Blaine, Woodbury, and Wayzata at AA...

Post by **karl(east)** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 1:34 pm

I thought this thread was about the best coaches in each section, not the coach of the year. There's a pretty big difference there.

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