2009 State Tournament

[Bensonmum]

I have grown a bit tired of the bashings of the underdogs of the state tournament. Everyone of these teams bust their butts all year with the hope of making it to the State Tournament. Well then you ask how fair is it to Roseau (I use Roseau as an example but you could put any highly ranked team here) when a lesser quality team comes down to the show and gets beat badly. Get over it! Win your section and get to the tournament. It is not set up for #2 to go, so win and you reap the rewards. Just in case anyone thinks that I am a parent of one of the teams that made it, I am a parent of a team that was highly ranked and didn't make it. Still would not want to see it any other way.

a) I assume you're talking to me.
b) I've never bashed an underdog and have loyally rooted for underdogs 100% of the time my entire life.
c) My observation is with the MSHSL and its 'Premier Showcase' (State Tournament). I've always been a fan of Section tournaments for boys and girls hockey. Many of us believe that Sections are the best hockey of the year, both in level of play and intensity in the stands, etc. The same old-timers, year after year, with no connection to any team, are in the stands at the Coliseum, Aldrich, Parade, BIG, Vets in IGH for the Section playoffs. The State Tournament to me is an anticlimatic afterthought. I think you should attend the Section games and not whine if a great team is left home (Roseau, Roseville, Breck).

But the State tournament to the MSHSL is supposed to be exposure of the game to non-fans and 'Showcase' the game too, right? And I truly hope that the sport keeps growing and would be grateful if the State Tournament would help this by attracting new families and generations to the game. I'm saying that 12-0 and 9-0 games inside a great big empty downtown ain't getting it done. It's sad and embarrassing. I'd bet anything that there were more people at the Minnetonka-Edina, Roseau-Warroad, Roseville-Stillwater and Breck-Blake section final games than there were in the X for the Class A quarterfinal sessions.

Some of the guilty parties are Northern Minnesota parents, aren't they, who sued to force the MSHSL to hold this tournament in the X?

And gee, I had no idea that kids other than those on the top-rated teams busted their butts during the summer and all season to get where they are.....

[warriors41]

Warroad is up 2-0 over rd Wing after the first period. One goal is by Beth Olson with an assist to Hannah Johnston, the second is from Karly Sylvester. Warriors also start the second period with about 1:50 left on a powerplay

[hockeya1a]

Warroad is up 2-0 over rd Wing after the first period. One goal is by Beth Olson with an assist to Hannah Johnston, the second is from Karly Sylvester. Warriors also start the second period with about 1:50 left on a powerplay

And Rosie has been on the ice almost the whole time,
She is going to be one whipped pup after this game.

[Nostalgic Nerd]

Some of the guilty parties are Northern Minnesota parents, aren't they, who sued to force the MSHSL to hold this tournament in the X?

The pursuit of equality sure has a funny way of creating inequality.

[hockeygroupie]

Warroad is up 2-0 over rd Wing after the first period. One goal is by Beth Olson with an assist to Hannah Johnston, the second is from Karly Sylvester. Warriors also start the second period with about 1:50 left on a powerplay

And Rosie has been on the ice almost the whole time,
She is going to be one whipped pup after this game.

This is not new for Rosie to be on the ice the whole game she is used to it. She is all they have for defense. She is the team. That girl has more endurance than anyone on the ice.
Hope they can keep Warroad under 8.

[conehead]

Looks like we'll have an epic battle for a championship....Blake vs. Warroad (assuming Blake rolls). We'll see which team recruited the best!!! I wonder how many communities in Northern Minnesota and Canada could celebrate a piece of a Warroad championship....I can think of 8.
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[hockeygroupie]

Looks like we'll have an epic battle for a championship....Blake vs. Warroad (assuming Blake rolls). We'll see which team recruited the best!!! I wonder how many communities in Northern Minnesota and Canada could celebrate a piece of a Warroad championship....I can think of 8.

News heard that Marvin or I mean families of Warroad, are offering jobs to the likes of girls or I mean parents from Mankato. southern MN and twin cities....

[conehead]

And yet the MSHSL sits back and continues to allow this to go on. Perhaps every program in Minnesota should drop them from their schedule in protest...maybe then someone will look at this!
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[nmnhockeydad]

I have grown a bit tired of the bashings of the underdogs of the state tournament. Everyone of these teams bust their butts all year with the hope of making it to the State Tournament. Well then you ask how fair is it to Roseau (I use Roseau as an example but you could put any highly ranked team here) when a lesser quality team comes down to the show and gets beat badly. Get over it! Win your section and get to the tournament. It is not set up for #2 to go, so win and you reap the rewards. Just in case anyone thinks that I am a parent of one of the teams that made it, I am a parent of a team that was highly ranked and didn't make it. Still would not want to see it any other way.

a) I assume you're talking to me.
b) I've never bashed an underdog and have loyally rooted for underdogs 100% of the time my entire life.
c) My observation is with the MSHSL and its 'Premier Showcase' (State Tournament). I've always been a fan of Section tournaments for boys and girls hockey. Many of us believe that Sections are the best hockey of the year, both in level of play and intensity in the stands, etc. The same old-timers, year after year, with no connection to any team, are in the stands at the Coliseum, Aldrich, Parade, BIG, Vets in IGH for the Section playoffs. The State Tournament to me is an anticlimatic afterthought. I think you should attend the Section games and not whine if a great team is left home (Roseau, Roseville, Breck).

But the State tournament to the MSHSL is supposed to be exposure of the game to non-fans and 'Showcase' the game too, right? And I truly hope that the sport keeps growing and would be grateful if the State Tournament would help this by attracting new families and generations to the game. I'm saying that 12-0 and 9-0 games inside a great big empty downtown ain't getting it done. It's sad and embarrassing. I'd bet anything that there were more people at the Minnetonka-Edina, Roseau-Warroad, Roseville-Stillwater and Breck-Blake section final games than there were in the X for the Class A quarterfinal sessions.

Some of the guilty parties are Northern Minnesota parents, aren't they, who sued to force the MSHSL to hold this tournament in the X?

And gee, I had no idea that kids other than those on the top-rated teams busted their butts during the summer and all season to get where they are.....

Assume nothing. I directed my comments towards the posts that bash the teams that they do not feel like are worthy of being at the tournament. It might be anticlimatic to you but I bet if you were asking the 300 or so girls playing in the tournament they would not say that the climactic point of the season was winning the section title. I don't think that venue at the "X" is the best for the tournament but then again I am not a girl playing. What do they want? Some of us as adults and parents may not like hearing this but...Too many adults can screw up a kids game!

[Sioux Rule]

And yet the MSHSL sits back and continues to allow this to go on. Perhaps every program in Minnesota should drop them from their schedule in protest...maybe then someone will look at this!

This is what I've heard.....take it for what it's worth, but it came from a pretty reliable source. A company up in Warroad offers scholarships to girls that they want to come up and play for them. Play for them for 4 years, maintain a 3.0 gpa, and get $$ for college.....MAJOR dollars I might add.

[High_Plains_Dangler]

Looks like we'll have an epic battle for a championship....Blake vs. Warroad (assuming Blake rolls). We'll see which team recruited the best!!! I wonder how many communities in Northern Minnesota and Canada could celebrate a piece of a Warroad championship....I can think of 8.

I agree with you completely. Even though I hate to see private schools win the tourney, im going to have to go with blake in this one. Its too bad that marvin has to smear the tradition in warroad by his actions and comments. During some of his interviews i questioned whether he was arrogant or just plain stupid. It would be nice to see him have a little respect for his opponents. Good luck tomorrow bears

[allhoc11]

And Rosie has been on the ice almost the whole time,
She is going to be one whipped pup after this game.

Nah, if you have seen RW play during the year, the only time she typically leaves the ice is when she gets a penalty. She is used to it.

[MNHockeyFan]

This is what I've heard.....take it for what it's worth, but it came from a pretty reliable source. A company up in Warroad offers scholarships to girls that they want to come up and play for them. Play for them for 4 years, maintain a 3.0 gpa, and get $$ for college.....MAJOR dollars I might add.

This is what I've "heard" also, but from what I was told these college scholarships do not just apply to hockey players. They are also given to any incoming student/family that moves to town and maintains at least a B average throughout high school. I have no idea what percentage of these qualifying students play hockey or any other sport.

As long as the college scholarships apply to everybody and not just hockey players/other athletes, I personally see nothing wrong with it. In these hard economic times, certainly the families would benefit.

I'm a little confused, though, as to how the scholarship offer can be maintained, considering how poorly the home building (and presumably the window manufacturing business) is doing these days. When times were good, you can see how an incentive like this might be needed to lure potential employees to move into town like Warroad, but with unemployment rising I doubt this is still necessary. Wouldn't people now just voluntarily move in to get a decent paying job? I have read where Anderson Windows, who used to routinely give huge profit sharing checks to all of their employees, recently announced layoffs...

Again, I don't know all the facts here, just wondering why the "scholarships" would still be necessary given the current economic conditions. Maybe someone who has a clear understanding of the situation can chime in here.

[puckster22]

The section 8a thread has much more insight on this topic.

[A_MN_TRANSFER]

This is what I've heard.....take it for what it's worth, but it came from a pretty reliable source. A company up in Warroad offers scholarships to girls that they want to come up and play for them. Play for them for 4 years, maintain a 3.0 gpa, and get $$ for college.....MAJOR dollars I might add.

This is what I've "heard" also, but from what I was told these college scholarships do not just apply to hockey players. They are also given to any incoming student/family that moves to town and maintains at least a B average throughout high school. I have no idea what percentage of these qualifying students play hockey or any other sport.

As long as the college scholarships apply to everybody and not just hockey players/other athletes, I personally see nothing wrong with it. In these hard economic times, certainly the families would benefit.

I'm a little confused, though, as to how the scholarship offer can be maintained, considering how poorly the home building (and presumably the window manufacturing business) is doing these days. When times were good, you can see how an incentive like this might be needed to lure potential employees to move into town like Warroad, but with unemployment rising I doubt this is still necessary. Wouldn't people now just voluntarily move in to get a decent paying job? I have read where Anderson Windows, who used to routinely give huge profit sharing checks to all of their employees, recently announced layoffs...

Again, I don't know all the facts here, just wondering why the "scholarships" would still be necessary given the current economic conditions. Maybe someone who has a clear understanding of the situation can chime in here.

God you people make me sick. Pick on recruiting, coaching, and everything else but the scholarship was a generous donation that most schools would relish.

The scholarship was a donation that is kept in a trust and has specific criteria and none of which has anything to do with hockey....its more about grades, community involvement, and the selection commitee for the scholarships are from the managers of the trust which is in the cities. No one from the town of Warroad is part of the selection process. The woman (happens to be Bill Marvins wife) that donated the money was a school teacher and wanted kids to graduate from HS and continue with their education. Not everything in Warroad HAS to do with hockey...Surprise

[Nostalgic Nerd]

I think it was 5-2 in shots, Edina. Scoreless after one.

[jollyroger]

News heard that Marvin or I mean families of Warroad, are offering jobs to the likes of girls or I mean parents from Mankato. southern MN and twin cities....

Uh, do you s'pose they need a good defenseman and an experienced Database Administrator???

[warriors41]

This is what I've heard.....take it for what it's worth, but it came from a pretty reliable source. A company up in Warroad offers scholarships to girls that they want to come up and play for them. Play for them for 4 years, maintain a 3.0 gpa, and get $$ for college.....MAJOR dollars I might add.

This is what I've "heard" also, but from what I was told these college scholarships do not just apply to hockey players. They are also given to any incoming student/family that moves to town and maintains at least a B average throughout high school. I have no idea what percentage of these qualifying students play hockey or any other sport.

As long as the college scholarships apply to everybody and not just hockey players/other athletes, I personally see nothing wrong with it. In these hard economic times, certainly the families would benefit.

I'm a little confused, though, as to how the scholarship offer can be maintained, considering how poorly the home building (and presumably the window manufacturing business) is doing these days. When times were good, you can see how an incentive like this might be needed to lure potential employees to move into town like Warroad, but with unemployment rising I doubt this is still necessary. Wouldn't people now just voluntarily move in to get a decent paying job? I have read where Anderson Windows, who used to routinely give huge profit sharing checks to all of their employees, recently announced layoffs...

Again, I don't know all the facts here, just wondering why the "scholarships" would still be necessary given the current economic conditions. Maybe someone who has a clear understanding of the situation can chime in here.

God you people make me sick. Pick on recruiting, coaching, and everything else but the scholarship was a generous donation that most schools would relish.

The scholarship was a donation that is kept in a trust and has specific criteria and none of which has anything to do with hockey....its more about grades, community involvement, and the selection commitee for the scholarships are from the managers of the trust which is in the cities. No one from the town of Warroad is part of the selection process. The woman (happens to be Bill Marvins wife) that donated the money was a school teacher and wanted kids to graduate from HS and continue with their education. Not everything in Warroad HAS to do with hockey...Surprise

Exactly, I am in high school and happen to be applying for this scholarship. All that is needed to be eligible is at least a C average so that many kids have a good chance of getting. The judges on the panel do not even know the names of the candidates that they are choosing so there is no name recognition ar anything like that. The biggest thing that helps is community involvement. I have seen first hand how this has affected the community. Kids now jump at the opportunty to help out and do communtiy service. Doing at leasst 100 hours of community service your senoir year is becoming a new norm when only ten is required to graduate. Many great things have happened in our community of this.

It is sad how some people have tried to turn this great, generous gift into something dirty and tainted. There are only a handful of hockey players who recieve this award whereas a lot of Warroad haters seem to think that they all do.

[warriors41]

Also, to answer someones question. The original donation was a total sum of 15,000,000 dollars. That was put into a trust account and the money used for scholarship prizes is paid using the interest the acocunt gets so that the orginal money will always be there. Hope I cleared some confusion up for you who were wondering. This is in my opinion the greatest gift a communtiy the size of Warroad could have ever asked for.

[conehead]

Also, to answer someones question. The original donation was a total sum of 15,000,000 dollars. That was put into a trust account and the money used for scholarship prizes is paid using the interest the acocunt gets so that the orginal money will always be there. Hope I cleared some confusion up for you who were wondering. This is in my opinion the greatest gift a communtiy the size of Warroad could have ever asked for.

So this makes the recruiting of Warroad hockey players ok? I haven't seen much in any thread about the players ability to be a good citizen, I'm quite sure they all are...I believe the issue continues to be the blatant and even corrupt system of recruiting that goes on without any ramifications. I wonder which school these players attended up to 7th or 8th grade....is it a coincidence that all the "transfers" (and there are at least played in youth programs other than Warroad...even Canada.
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[ghshockeyfan]

IMHO the scholarships sound like a great thing for the community. If a student-athlete chooses to take advantage of this opportunity, then I don't see how this is any different than any other scholarship? So be it. There is a lot of negativity re: transfers, scholarships at HS and for college level, etc., etc. Bottom line is that people will seek out that which THEY feel is best for them. I'm all for hometown homegrown public small school teams, I understand how they've become the true underdog, etc., etc. but this is the real world we live in. Transfers will transfer, those seeking scholarships for HS or college will do so, and this is a fact of life.

One slightly related topic is the notion that - at least I believe - the new transfer rules will settle things down a bit or at least get kids moving around between 8th & 9th vs 10-12th grades. It's too bad though that some kids won't get to give their home HS a chance in say 9th grade before having serious reason to consider moving on if it's not the right fit. Furthermore, I like the idea that a player could always return to their home attendance area HS and not be penalized or - better yet - always choose to play at their home attendance area HS even if they attended another private school or open enrollment public school for EDUCATIONAL or other non-athletic purposes...

[goalzilla]

Isn't this a State Tournament thread? I was reading some the the post from the 8A thread; one thread on this topic is enough!

[ghshockeyfan]

funny how that happens... =)

So, in the A championship we have Blake & Warroad... A private school and a public school that has a very tradition rich hockey history.

At the AA level I believe it's two public school powers from opposite sides of the metro...

Should be interesting!

[warriors41]

Also, to answer someones question. The original donation was a total sum of 15,000,000 dollars. That was put into a trust account and the money used for scholarship prizes is paid using the interest the acocunt gets so that the orginal money will always be there. Hope I cleared some confusion up for you who were wondering. This is in my opinion the greatest gift a communtiy the size of Warroad could have ever asked for.

So this makes the recruiting of Warroad hockey players ok? I haven't seen much in any thread about the players ability to be a good citizen, I'm quite sure they all are...I believe the issue continues to be the blatant and even corrupt system of recruiting that goes on without any ramifications. I wonder which school these players attended up to 7th or 8th grade....is it a coincidence that all the "transfers" (and there are at least played in youth programs other than Warroad...even Canada.

That post was not meant to debate the question of recruiting. It was meant to answer someones question on how the money for the scholarship awards was there in these tough economic times, that is all it was supposed to do.

[warriors41]

I would just like to congratulate the Blake Bears. They played a great game. They deserved the win. They simply outplayed the lady Warriors. I would there to be some excuse for why they won but there isn't. I hope no one tries to make an excuse for the Warriors.

Also, I would like say that the Warrirs had a great season. I also appreciate them making the game very interesting in the third period. The last 20 seconds were very entertaining. I only wish they would have played like that the whole game