Did you expect anything less from the one and only?
Really what? Bodyshots thought the same thing when he read it and yet you choose to say something to me. Last I checked JV was to help players develop to have a future on varsity. Well, if you're a senior and you're not planning on repeating your senior year, there is no future for you. What is the point of letting a senior play JV? It would be better to bring up a player who isn't quite there and give them some more experience than to simply let a kid play for the heck of it.
If they really don't have the kids to field two teams and that's the issue, that would be a different story.
coyotehockey wrote:Do you want to hear something impressive.
Last night was Breck's senoir night.
Coach Les Larson recognized the senior class at tonight’s Breck-Saints game by taking an intentional “too many players” penalty at the start of the game. It seems the Mustangs had 16 seniors on the ice for the opening faceoff, that’s the 13 from the varsity and 3 from the JV who were seeing their first varsity action at the drop of the puck. Coach Larson was hoping that Breck could jump out to an early lead so he could give the JV players extensive playing time in the game. Which they did.
WHOOOOAAA, Mustang Boy!:idea:
Ok… if nobody else is going to crash this love-fest then I guess I will be forced to take the arrows.
First of all, while I admit the gesture makes us all feel warm & fuzzy; let’s consider the importance of the game: Breck vs Saints??? Do you think, for a moment, that Coach Larson was remotely concerned about starting this game with a man in the box? Breck out shot the Saints 58 to 15, and pummeled them into a final score of 14-1 . For crying out loud, Breck had two shorthanded goals in the 1st period If this garners the coach anything more than a slightly embarrassing win , then your love of all-things-Breck is way too obvious. Do you really think he would've honored the Sr’s in this manner had the game been against St Thomas, or even Totino. Just a little perspective
Do you not think that he has any control over his schedule? I know nothing about Breck or the coach, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say he purposely scheduled this game for senior night so he could do such a thing like that. My school did the same thing for Senior night and scheduled a very weak opponent. Granted we almost lost haha but that was because their goalie played out of his mind and the final was 3-2 with the final shots being about 60-15 in favor of us.
The coach absolutely has control over deciding which night to honor the seniors. Which makes the original reason for the post “Class Act!”, and the opening sentence, “Do you want to hear something impressive”, seem so over-the-top.
If we take a realistic view of JV programs, how many of them are "completely" geared toward Varsity developement?
I wonder what the opinions would be if that senior on the JV squad lived at your house?
While I don't normally like to see a program do things for the minority, it's also a bad message to send to a player that has been involved since they are 4 or 5 years old to be sent home their final season.
inthestands wrote:If we take a realistic view of JV programs, how many of them are "completely" geared toward Varsity developement?
I wonder what the opinions would be if that senior on the JV squad lived at your house?
While I don't normally like to see a program do things for the minority, it's also a bad message to send to a player that has been involved since they are 4 or 5 years old to be sent home their final season.
I agree. For a lot of players JV is for players who won't ever make varsity in high school hockey.
They weren't sent home their final season...they played their final season last year. This isn't a toddler league where everyone gets a medal, this is high school hockey in the state of hockey. There are plenty of other places you can play, but seniors really don't have a place on JV.
If he were in my house I'd probably tell him to join another league outside of school if he wanted to continue playing. If he was only good enough to make the JV as a senior, then there would be some other issues at play, so maybe not playing competitive anyone is an option.
I agree. For a lot of players JV is for players who won't ever make varsity in high school hockey.
If you agree, your comments below make less sense than if you were in disagreement.
They weren't sent home their final season...they played their final season last year.
Apologies for not stating clearly enough for you. Their final eligible season.
There are plenty of other places you can play, but seniors really don't have a place on JV.
There are many places with no where else to play, if you aren't on the HS team. Now you are making assumptions. Have you been reminded what happens when you assume?
If he were in my house I'd probably
See the above assuming rule. Not playing anyone is an option.
I agree about the "not everyone getting a medal" concept. In the case of this discussion, these players get nothing more than a spot on the roster and the opportunity to participate. Doesn't seem like a stretch from most programs.
If space and numbers were at issue, that would change things. From the details available, that doesn't appear to be the case.
Congrats to the Breck coach and I agree this was a class act for Senior Nite. So many of you seem clueless about private schools where the student is valued and their personal development is the top priority. I don't understand the negative comments on this thread. The coach honored the seniors - that's what senior night is all about. I like that they don't cut kids - has nothing to do with paying to play. It may come as a shock but some families actually choose an education above athletics but some of these students also enjoy playing sports. What harm is there in letting them play with their school friends on a JV team if they aren't talented enough to play on a state contending Varsity squad? Priorities are a bit out of line on here I'm afraid. I take much greater issue with the HS coach who schedules a tough game on senior night and then plays a younger goalie or starts Juniors over the Seniors. I've even seen them sit a Varisty Senior the entire Senior Night! Sorry - but in the long run those coaches do a whole lot more damage to their kids and it usually backfires since all the players get angry that the Seniors get embarrassed by a "win at all costs" coach.
Kudos to the Breck coach and to the Seniors (both JV and Varsity) who were honored at Senior Night. Good luck the remainder of the season (not a Breck parent)
inthestands wrote:I agree. For a lot of players JV is for players who won't ever make varsity in high school hockey.
If you agree, your comments below make less sense than if you were in disagreement.
They weren't sent home their final season...they played their final season last year.
Apologies for not stating clearly enough for you. Their final eligible season.
There are plenty of other places you can play, but seniors really don't have a place on JV.
There are many places with no where else to play, if you aren't on the HS team. Now you are making assumptions. Have you been reminded what happens when you assume?
If he were in my house I'd probably
See the above assuming rule. Not playing anyone is an option.
I agree about the "not everyone getting a medal" concept. In the case of this discussion, these players get nothing more than a spot on the roster and the opportunity to participate. Doesn't seem like a stretch from most programs.
If space and numbers were at issue, that would change things. From the details available, that doesn't appear to be the case.
My question was the 2nd post of this thread. The post saying they have numbers issues was the 10th. So basically you agree with me but are simply being rude for no reason? Nice.
My question was the 2nd post of this thread. The post saying they have numbers issues was the 10th. So basically you agree with me but are simply being rude for no reason? Nice.
I'm sorry but I don't find the thread saying there are number issues.
I see where they have 2 full teams for the first time, and another rehtorical question about 50 players going out, but nothing stating they have more players than available spots.
I wasn't rude, yet. You had some points, I countered those points and offered up an opinion on making assumptions. Isn't that what we do on message boards?
I wasn't rude, yet. You had some points, I countered those points and offered up an opinion on making assumptions. Isn't that what we do on message boards?
I wasn't rude, yet. You had some points, I countered those points and offered up an opinion on making assumptions. Isn't that what we do on message boards?
Don't let him bug you...
I won't, don't worry. I take it with a grain of salt.
Doglover wrote:Congrats to the Breck coach and I agree this was a class act for Senior Nite. So many of you seem clueless about private schools where the student is valued and their personal development is the top priority. I don't understand the negative comments on this thread. The coach honored the seniors - that's what senior night is all about. I like that they don't cut kids - has nothing to do with paying to play. It may come as a shock but some families actually choose an education above athletics but some of these students also enjoy playing sports. What harm is there in letting them play with their school friends on a JV team if they aren't talented enough to play on a state contending Varsity squad? Priorities are a bit out of line on here I'm afraid. I take much greater issue with the HS coach who schedules a tough game on senior night and then plays a younger goalie or starts Juniors over the Seniors. I've even seen them sit a Varisty Senior the entire Senior Night! Sorry - but in the long run those coaches do a whole lot more damage to their kids and it usually backfires since all the players get angry that the Seniors get embarrassed by a "win at all costs" coach.
Kudos to the Breck coach and to the Seniors (both JV and Varsity) who were honored at Senior Night. Good luck the remainder of the season (not a Breck parent)
Dont know if this was already mentioned or not but Breck I believe has a no cut policy which is why seniors are on the JV team...In most cases these kids would be cut.
In addition, I do agree that the team Breck played that night allowed for him to do that...not sure he would have done it if they were playing STA BUT you still have to give him credit for even doing it.
I wasn't rude, yet. You had some points, I countered those points and offered up an opinion on making assumptions. Isn't that what we do on message boards?
Don't let him bug you...
I won't, don't worry. I take it with a grain of salt.
While you are taking your salt, could you please direct me to the post stating there are more players than spots?
Doglover wrote:Congrats to the Breck coach and I agree this was a class act for Senior Nite. So many of you seem clueless about private schools where the student is valued and their personal development is the top priority. I don't understand the negative comments on this thread. The coach honored the seniors - that's what senior night is all about. I like that they don't cut kids - has nothing to do with paying to play. It may come as a shock but some families actually choose an education above athletics but some of these students also enjoy playing sports. What harm is there in letting them play with their school friends on a JV team if they aren't talented enough to play on a state contending Varsity squad? Priorities are a bit out of line on here I'm afraid. I take much greater issue with the HS coach who schedules a tough game on senior night and then plays a younger goalie or starts Juniors over the Seniors. I've even seen them sit a Varisty Senior the entire Senior Night! Sorry - but in the long run those coaches do a whole lot more damage to their kids and it usually backfires since all the players get angry that the Seniors get embarrassed by a "win at all costs" coach.
Kudos to the Breck coach and to the Seniors (both JV and Varsity) who were honored at Senior Night. Good luck the remainder of the season (not a Breck parent)
Dont know if this was already mentioned or not but Breck I believe has a no cut policy which is why seniors are on the JV team...In most cases these kids would be cut.
In addition, I do agree that the team Breck played that night allowed for him to do that...not sure he would have done it if they were playing STA BUT you still have to give him credit for even doing it.
Wow! A lot of discussion about a fairly minor issue. Typically the booster parents are involved on deciding senior night as much as the coach and it is true that they will look for games toward the end of the season that are against 'not so strong' opponents.
Why would they pick a meaningful game against a top level opponent and then add the distraction of senior night? That would be dumb.
The coach decided to allow all of his seniors to 'start' causing a penalty at the beginning of the game...a little goofy but still an acceptable thing to do and, afterall, it is high school hockey not the NHL.
The JV team includes some seniors because they probably don't have other opportunities to play at their school (and may have a no cut rule). If they have to cut young players to do it I would suggest that it isn't a smart way to run a team but I'm not the coach. If no young guys get cut, no real harm.
When it is all said and done it really wasn't that big of a deal. It was a nice gesture by a coach on a night that they could afford to make nice gestures. They won the game big and hopefully had some fun honoring their seniors.
seek & destroy wrote:Why would they pick a meaningful game against a top level opponent and then add the distraction of senior night? That would be dumb.
I wouldn't really agree with this...when I was a senior, East played Cloquet on senior night. The players loved it; they got to play their last home game in front of a couple thousand people and beat their hated rival (who would, of course, return the favor come sections).
But regardless, this seems like much ado about nothing. Sure, the coach probably manipulated things so he could pull this off, but there's nothing wrong with that.
HShockeywatcher wrote:Last I checked JV was to help players develop to have a future on varsity.
HShockeywatcher wrote:
I agree. For a lot of players JV is for players who won't ever make varsity in high school hockey.
Which one is it? To develop players for varsity or for players that won't ever make varsity...? Seems like those two statements kinda contradict themselves.
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HShockeywatcher wrote:Last I checked JV was to help players develop to have a future on varsity.
HShockeywatcher wrote:
I agree. For a lot of players JV is for players who won't ever make varsity in high school hockey.
Which one is it? To develop players for varsity or for players that won't ever make varsity...? Seems like those two statements kinda contradict themselves.
I know, which is sad. JV programs in general should be to develop players to become varsity players in the future. But, especially in hockey I think, JV seems to be where players who won't ever play varsity go and that's disappointing.
From what I've seen first hand and what I've followed, players either make the jump to varsity or play Bantams their freshman year. As sophomores if they aren't good enough to make varsity they play JV. Well, by the time they are juniors there seems to be someone just as talented a year or two younger than them to make varsity and they are back on JV.
inthestands wrote:
While you are taking your salt, could you please direct me to the post stating there are more players than spots?
HShockeywatcher wrote:Last I checked JV was to help players develop to have a future on varsity.
HShockeywatcher wrote:
I agree. For a lot of players JV is for players who won't ever make varsity in high school hockey.
Which one is it? To develop players for varsity or for players that won't ever make varsity...? Seems like those two statements kinda contradict themselves.
You'd think a coach could come up with a way to honor his seniors without insulting the other team. Couldn't he have sent his seniors out in waves of five to start the game?
And Breck may not be able to pick who their conference opponents are but they do have the option to move up to Class AA. I would call moving up a class act not starting off a game against a much weaker opponent by intentionally taking a penalty.
. For crying out loud, Breck had two shorthanded goals in the 1st period 
If this garners the coach anything more than a slightly embarrassing win 
, then your love of all-things-Breck is way too obvious. Do you really think he would've honored the Sr’s in this manner had the game been against St Thomas, or even Totino. Just a little perspective 
