I took stats for mankato league this year.... Luverne registered 5 shots on goal in a game against Marshall in the summer league..lost 5-1 and then lost 4-1 in the other game. i believe.... now granted it is summer league... they looked terrible... they have one player who knows how to play real hockey... Maxwell #14... thats it.. stay at home defenseman type.. otherwise its just a team that relies on one player to try and take the puck coast to coast... BTW Marshall did win the summer league this year... and only allowed 6 goals through the whole league... they looked really good..... however new ulm was not in the league or hutch or litch... But they did beat both mankato east and west... How did luverne do this summer...
great post hutchtostate... idk what kind of AAA hockey you watch. Luverne will not compete. IF for no other reason, its because their goaltending is just brutal.
Wait a minute hold up, luverne beat marshall last year.... they are big time contenders now.... and wait didnt marshall beat new ulm twice!!??? that means that luverne should have actually been the team that went to state to play breck... I do recall however an embarassing show of poor sportsmanship and a thorough but-whooping in sections... thank you New Ulm... Teams like luverne need to be put in their place. 11-1 against new ulm is where the belong. and thats where they will be for the near future. Come on people. Lets get real... there is 4 contenders in this section. New Ulm, Hutch, LItch, Marshall..... the rest are just spoilers.... IF THAT!!!!!
the ignorance of some people from this section drives me crazy... PLEASE GO AND WATCH SOME GOOD HOCKEY.
long story short....
THERE ARE 4 REAL CONTENDERS IN THIS SECTION
MARSHALL, LITCH, HUTCH, NEW ULM.
and until the level of competition and numbers of associations grow... these are the 4 teams that will CONSISTENTLY COMPETE.
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new2coachin
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Bettman & Hutch, you have me worried about your schools educational system. Take some time & reread my posts, your reading comprehension is horrible. I am not comparing section 3A to the rest of the state, I know how they stack up against the rest of the state, but did not comment on that, I even stated this in my post, so please take it down a couple notches. You want to bash me about placing Luverne ahead of Marshall, fine, but dont go overboard and twist what I am saying in my posts. Bettman, if you believe that Luverne only has one good player, I will let you believe that, but don't be too stunned when they beat Marshall during the winter because you weren't paying attention. By the way, who won the summer league last year?
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Bettman's Bender
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Redwood won the summer league last year and guess what it obviously didn't mean squat did it.? Luverne won't beat Marshall sure they aren't terribly far off foam contending with Marshall and other better teams but until luverne can play some real teams outside of sw confirm then they will be bottom feeding. And I'm not talking about going up and playing meadow creek Christian either. Meadow creek is a brand new program. Brutal. Luverne is not a better team than Marshall. Yes they did beat Marshall last year. Big whoop anyone who attended that game knew that the redding was blatantly slanted as both banded officials reside in luverne.. Marshall played their third goalie. And any a luverne goalie gets a shutout u know there is Devine intervention. Marshall controlled the game. But we will just see how it goes this year. I'm willing to bet Marshall throws up 10 on luverne this year.
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BuffaloRidgeHockey
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Section 3A Hockey
Hey Guys,
Its only October and the juices are already flowing fun too see. 3A is a section that is very weak we all know this. But it allows for a team like Marshall to think they can go to state which is what the state tourney is all about. I can feel the passion I think its great.
I am from Luverne I will say that. I think that our program is heading in the right direction. Do I think we can go to state this year not a chance, But I think they can compete and give teams games. I think in about 2 more years Luverne will start to have some pretty good hockey teams again. Our youth has been dedicated to playing A’s and found success there.
Again I know Hutch will beat Luverne in high school if they play this year but don’t put your bantam team out there hutch. I mean for peat sake last year our A Bantams beat you’re a Hutch A Bantam team. But I am stopping again I am not going to sit here and try to talk them up I don’t think they want that. The games are decided on the ice.
I think the pre-season favorite
Has to be New Ulm. They have a huge senior class and Bender listen to me on this they have the BEST GOALIE IN SECTION 3A. And they return their entire top line of forwards and d-man. The road to the Xcel goes through them.
Behind them there are the BIG TWO (programs that have actual been to State)
Hutch- they play a tough schedule and are well coached. They will be tough to beat come playoff time.
LDC- came up just short last year and return a stud in Impola on the blue line. Always seem to be playing good hockey come playoffs.
The Best of the Rest (SW Conference & Fairmont)
Marshall- this should be a really good team up in Marshall this year. I wish them the best this is the last couple classes that were dedicated to A hockey in the youth and their play at high school shows that. I look for them to win the Conference and hopefully knock off the Big Three come sections. It’s now or never for the Tigers they youth looks very weak and have started to go B hockey so I hope that the kids this group who went A’s will be rewarded this season. I wish Marshall luck!!
Redwood Valley- If they really did lose Miller that is a huge blow can that be confirmed? Also, I noticed super freshman Welch was not out there in the summer either? What is his status…But still They have Hanson who is the best player in the SW Conference. They are two time defending Conference champs until they are knocked off I think they are right behind Marshall as Southwest Conference elite.
Luverne- I don’t get where all this Luverne Hype is coming from yes they have a nice first line. And they return a second line of junior who all played regular mintues as sophomores and they bring up their top line from A bantams. SO Luverne should be able to run 3 lines that is a big step in the right direction. But they will not compete against the elite teams there goaltending is very weak and that will cost them if they can finish third in the conference win a for more games then last year I think it’s a step in the right direction…But the future is bright!
Then it Sleepy Eye- There goalie is a stud he will steal them games
Windom- Is really down but never count out a Clark coached team they will win games they shouldn’t.
Fairmont- Have a few decent kids coming back but lost their goalie and two leading scorers from last year.
Worthington- lost everything will be a rebuilding year with a new coach.
As far as summer league goes any smart hockey mind will tell you that means nothing. Most teams are missing kids and they don’t have their hockey legs yet. Don’t put stock in a summer league.
Good luck to all teams!! Hope for another great year in 3A!!
Its only October and the juices are already flowing fun too see. 3A is a section that is very weak we all know this. But it allows for a team like Marshall to think they can go to state which is what the state tourney is all about. I can feel the passion I think its great.
I am from Luverne I will say that. I think that our program is heading in the right direction. Do I think we can go to state this year not a chance, But I think they can compete and give teams games. I think in about 2 more years Luverne will start to have some pretty good hockey teams again. Our youth has been dedicated to playing A’s and found success there.
Again I know Hutch will beat Luverne in high school if they play this year but don’t put your bantam team out there hutch. I mean for peat sake last year our A Bantams beat you’re a Hutch A Bantam team. But I am stopping again I am not going to sit here and try to talk them up I don’t think they want that. The games are decided on the ice.
I think the pre-season favorite
Has to be New Ulm. They have a huge senior class and Bender listen to me on this they have the BEST GOALIE IN SECTION 3A. And they return their entire top line of forwards and d-man. The road to the Xcel goes through them.
Behind them there are the BIG TWO (programs that have actual been to State)
Hutch- they play a tough schedule and are well coached. They will be tough to beat come playoff time.
LDC- came up just short last year and return a stud in Impola on the blue line. Always seem to be playing good hockey come playoffs.
The Best of the Rest (SW Conference & Fairmont)
Marshall- this should be a really good team up in Marshall this year. I wish them the best this is the last couple classes that were dedicated to A hockey in the youth and their play at high school shows that. I look for them to win the Conference and hopefully knock off the Big Three come sections. It’s now or never for the Tigers they youth looks very weak and have started to go B hockey so I hope that the kids this group who went A’s will be rewarded this season. I wish Marshall luck!!
Redwood Valley- If they really did lose Miller that is a huge blow can that be confirmed? Also, I noticed super freshman Welch was not out there in the summer either? What is his status…But still They have Hanson who is the best player in the SW Conference. They are two time defending Conference champs until they are knocked off I think they are right behind Marshall as Southwest Conference elite.
Luverne- I don’t get where all this Luverne Hype is coming from yes they have a nice first line. And they return a second line of junior who all played regular mintues as sophomores and they bring up their top line from A bantams. SO Luverne should be able to run 3 lines that is a big step in the right direction. But they will not compete against the elite teams there goaltending is very weak and that will cost them if they can finish third in the conference win a for more games then last year I think it’s a step in the right direction…But the future is bright!
Then it Sleepy Eye- There goalie is a stud he will steal them games
Windom- Is really down but never count out a Clark coached team they will win games they shouldn’t.
Fairmont- Have a few decent kids coming back but lost their goalie and two leading scorers from last year.
Worthington- lost everything will be a rebuilding year with a new coach.
As far as summer league goes any smart hockey mind will tell you that means nothing. Most teams are missing kids and they don’t have their hockey legs yet. Don’t put stock in a summer league.
Good luck to all teams!! Hope for another great year in 3A!!
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Skill Stick
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Some people have no clue what they are talking about! You have to give the edge to New Ulm this year!
Why- they return there whole first line, goalie, and their core D.
If people honestly think Marshall, Hutch, and Litch are going to compete, they need to look around.
Litch lost Adams, Hutch lost Swenson and Hangte, and Marshall lost Campion and a some no name seniors.
New Ulm takes this section. Watch for big numbers by Juntenu, Peterson, and Loose. Burgau and the D will keep them in the game as well.
Why- they return there whole first line, goalie, and their core D.
If people honestly think Marshall, Hutch, and Litch are going to compete, they need to look around.
Litch lost Adams, Hutch lost Swenson and Hangte, and Marshall lost Campion and a some no name seniors.
New Ulm takes this section. Watch for big numbers by Juntenu, Peterson, and Loose. Burgau and the D will keep them in the game as well.
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Bettman's Bender
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Good post buffalo ridge...
I think it is just ridiculous that some town are going to B hockey.. Its just ignorant. If you want to be a good hockey player or good hockey team, play TOP competition, especially in youth levels. I know marshall is taking a step backwards in their youth program to go to B hockey.. They will pay for it in the long run. they will be beat out by other SW conference programs like luverne in the future that are playing A.
I think it is just ridiculous that some town are going to B hockey.. Its just ignorant. If you want to be a good hockey player or good hockey team, play TOP competition, especially in youth levels. I know marshall is taking a step backwards in their youth program to go to B hockey.. They will pay for it in the long run. they will be beat out by other SW conference programs like luverne in the future that are playing A.
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new2coachin
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I don't believe its ignorance, its probably more a necessity. Most of the associations in this area barely have enough players to field one team. Its a numbers game, when associations only have enough players to field one team at a level, how are they expected to compete at the A level? Most likely they have a couple players that are A players, half the team are probably B players, and the rest are C players. They would never be competitive at the A level. I agree that associations need to strive to compete at the A level, but the numbers need to improve first.Bettman's Bender wrote:Good post buffalo ridge...
I think it is just ridiculous that some town are going to B hockey.. Its just ignorant. If you want to be a good hockey player or good hockey team, play TOP competition, especially in youth levels. I know marshall is taking a step backwards in their youth program to go to B hockey.. They will pay for it in the long run. they will be beat out by other SW conference programs like luverne in the future that are playing A.
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Bettman's Bender
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new2coachin wrote:I don't believe its ignorance, its probably more a necessity. Most of the associations in this area barely have enough players to field one team. Its a numbers game, when associations only have enough players to field one team at a level, how are they expected to compete at the A level? Most likely they have a couple players that are A players, half the team are probably B players, and the rest are C players. They would never be competitive at the A level. I agree that associations need to strive to compete at the A level, but the numbers need to improve first.Bettman's Bender wrote:Good post buffalo ridge...
I think it is just ridiculous that some town are going to B hockey.. Its just ignorant. If you want to be a good hockey player or good hockey team, play TOP competition, especially in youth levels. I know marshall is taking a step backwards in their youth program to go to B hockey.. They will pay for it in the long run. they will be beat out by other SW conference programs like luverne in the future that are playing A.
Well if every town in this area is in the same boat with numbers, which they are, why dont they all just play A level and play each other? Im in tune with the youth programs here, they all can compete with each other. All of these towns should be running A programs. You dont think and A program from marshall couldnt "compete" with the A teams from Willmar, hutch, litch, NU? yes they could. And even if they cant, how are they supposed to get better? You get better by playing at a higher level. Somebody is going to have to be willing to take a few knocks right away but in the end if you want to have a good program you play A. Idc if you go to the cities and lose 20-0 to wayzata. Its better than traveling to worthington playing B and winning 4-3. This is America, embrace the spirit of competition.
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new2coachin
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Well if every town in this area is in the same boat with numbers, which they are, why dont they all just play A level and play each other? Im in tune with the youth programs here, they all can compete with each other. All of these towns should be running A programs. You dont think and A program from marshall couldnt "compete" with the A teams from Willmar, hutch, litch, NU? yes they could. And even if they cant, how are they supposed to get better? You get better by playing at a higher level. Somebody is going to have to be willing to take a few knocks right away but in the end if you want to have a good program you play A. Idc if you go to the cities and lose 20-0 to wayzata. Its better than traveling to worthington playing B and winning 4-3. This is America, embrace the spirit of competition.[/quote]
You might want to be careful with your examples, there are others on this forum who would say if you lose 20-0 at the A level that you probably are not an A team. I believe that no matter if you are an A or B team, if your team is losing 20-0 in their games, there is not much development coming from the game except the kids are learning how to lose, which is what is happening to small associations with only enough kids to field one team at an age level trying to compete at the A level. Its true that playing better competition improves a team, but playing a season at a level a team does not belong at will have an adverse effect.
You might want to be careful with your examples, there are others on this forum who would say if you lose 20-0 at the A level that you probably are not an A team. I believe that no matter if you are an A or B team, if your team is losing 20-0 in their games, there is not much development coming from the game except the kids are learning how to lose, which is what is happening to small associations with only enough kids to field one team at an age level trying to compete at the A level. Its true that playing better competition improves a team, but playing a season at a level a team does not belong at will have an adverse effect.
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hutchtostate
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can't say I know much about the teams in the southwest conference, but I know some of the top teams in 3A.
New Ulm - Burgau and Juntenan(depending on his attitude)- seniors, Peterson good junior
Litch - got to give it to Impola (12) and all the Raisanen's
Marshall - mostly the defense - Vanderzel (12) and another Campion (11) still haven't found a scorer there - maybe Haukom or Willett??
Hutch - could be a lot of thunder coming this year - it will be exciting - Adams (11) McLain's, Cowger, Ellefson...many names
New Ulm - Burgau and Juntenan(depending on his attitude)- seniors, Peterson good junior
Litch - got to give it to Impola (12) and all the Raisanen's
Marshall - mostly the defense - Vanderzel (12) and another Campion (11) still haven't found a scorer there - maybe Haukom or Willett??
Hutch - could be a lot of thunder coming this year - it will be exciting - Adams (11) McLain's, Cowger, Ellefson...many names
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Skill Stick
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Here's your chance... PM me and I'll set it up. No need to bring your Bantam's, we'll have enough along with us...hutchtostate wrote:i would like to see Luverne's schedule. I don't think we play them, but I would like to show them what a real hockey game looks like. I can't imagine you really play anyone good - do you play New Ulm? Willmar?
new2coaching - have you really seen AAA hockey? Really? And you think Luverne is quality? ok AAA south dakota or wyoming or maybe arkansas...
How did luverne do in your little mankato league summer thing you refer to?
I think Luverne should show us what they have and come scrimmage Hutch. We will put our Bantam team out there for you.
http://www.mshsl.org/mshsl/schedule.asp ... hoolid=261
FYI, the schedule's not finished.
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hutchtostate
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oooo Roundhead - tough schedule- Austin- there's a powerhouse - southwest conference - scary!!! take a look at Hutch's schedule. Not sure many SW conference teams would even stand a chance in our conference.
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Skill Stick
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Hutch, the fact that New Ulm made it to state makes them better then your team. Sure you have a tough schedule but what did that tough schedule get you? It got you a a front row seat from your couch or ticket to the X, that you had to pay for. Now what do you have left for the upcoming season? You lost Hangte, Swenson, and Hahn. All you have left is Adams and one guy isint going to win you very many games.
Another thing is that this is a high school forumn, not a youth forumn. Go talk about your bantams there.
Stonewall, how do you classify "best players?" You might want to bring that question to a cities forumn.
Another thing is that this is a high school forumn, not a youth forumn. Go talk about your bantams there.
Stonewall, how do you classify "best players?" You might want to bring that question to a cities forumn.
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timcorbin21
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New Ulm - best in class last year and returns a solid senior/junior class this year.
Litch - Impola
Marshall - whole team played protect the goalie last year. made an average goalie look good. but they couldn't cross the neutral zone
Hutch - Adams. but they lost a lot. Hutchtostate are you really from Hutch??
Luverne has some good young players but will be a work in progress
Litch - Impola
Marshall - whole team played protect the goalie last year. made an average goalie look good. but they couldn't cross the neutral zone
Hutch - Adams. but they lost a lot. Hutchtostate are you really from Hutch??
Luverne has some good young players but will be a work in progress
Back to the point... Ask your Coach if you would like to scrimmage. If all your interested in is pounding your Jr. High School hairless chest on this board... so be it... but then quit Calling out People if your not man enough to stand up to it. Period.hutchtostate wrote:oooo Roundhead - tough schedule- Austin- there's a powerhouse - southwest conference - scary!!! take a look at Hutch's schedule. Not sure many SW conference teams would even stand a chance in our conference.
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hutchtostate
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ah ya pretty much from hutch, although not playing there anymore. Just saying - hutch has good athletics football to hockey, excellent coaching, good youth program with solid goals...always brings a great team with good competition. Litch has more than Impola and will be tough..sure, new ulm will be good, but they are fun to knock off...since I understand goalies, I think your comment of the Marshall goalie shows your ignorance about hockey...do you read stats? Hutch and New Ulm couldn't get much past Marshall - and it wasn't just their defense. They were outshot every game...frustrated the crap out of our coach. Your statement is a disservice to all goalies that work hard all year - especially to the goalies that make state rankings...must be from Luverne - from what I read on here, no one knows much about goaltending down there. I don't even know Luverne except for the hilarious comments on this forum. I will be watching for them this year...can't wait to see how this turns outtimcorbin21 wrote:New Ulm - best in class last year and returns a solid senior/junior class this year.
Litch - Impola
Marshall - whole team played protect the goalie last year. made an average goalie look good. but they couldn't cross the neutral zone
Hutch - Adams. but they lost a lot. Hutchtostate are you really from Hutch??
Luverne has some good young players but will be a work in progress
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MajorBender
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Someone? More like everyone. The only reason New Ulm went to state last year is because they didnt have to play anyone good until the section final game. If they were in Litch's or Marshall's postion last year they would have been one and done at most.1HOCK1 wrote:Yeah, they made ESPN news because someone on their team is overrated and was embarrased on National TV.
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Bettman's Bender
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In all seriousness tho, can any of us actually say that any team in this section was definitely and consistantly better than new ulm... Yeah other teams beat them...sometimes....I mean ok even if they played a harder playoff schedule they still might have won through it.... the top 4 in this section is literally a tossup.... And marshall playing protect the goalie huh, timcorbin... 45-50 shots against new ulm and hutch doesnt sound like the did much to protect the goalie does it. You are ignorant. go back to luverne or wherever you are from and gawk at how good you think your peewees are or whatever you guys think you have that is so great.
Anyone who knows anything about hockey will tell you that there is four legit contenders in this section. Hutch, Litch, New Ulm, and Marshall.. and it will be a toss up/ whoever is hottest at the end of the year that will go to state.. Everyone else in this section is just a spoiler. PERIOD.. Lets not make the same mistake in seeding this year. In the next 5 years.. no one outside of these four teams will advance from this section. maybe even longer than that... No one in the history of this section has advanced besides 3 of these teams....
the ignorance of people on this thread bothers me.
Anyone who knows anything about hockey will tell you that there is four legit contenders in this section. Hutch, Litch, New Ulm, and Marshall.. and it will be a toss up/ whoever is hottest at the end of the year that will go to state.. Everyone else in this section is just a spoiler. PERIOD.. Lets not make the same mistake in seeding this year. In the next 5 years.. no one outside of these four teams will advance from this section. maybe even longer than that... No one in the history of this section has advanced besides 3 of these teams....
the ignorance of people on this thread bothers me.
Marshall has no shot, and none of these teams are contenders, yes litch, hutch, or new ulm will win the section and play 2 games at state, but none of them will contend. Stop throwing around the word ignorance and look up the definition of hypocrite. In case you were wondering, this is a high school hockey forum. People in this area play for fun and follow as a hobby, chill out. Somebody stating an opinion before a season has started is an opinion, no need to get all emotional on us or should I get you your midol?Bettman's Bender wrote: THERE ARE 4 REAL CONTENDERS IN THIS SECTION
MARSHALL, LITCH, HUTCH, NEW ULM.
and until the level of competition and numbers of associations grow... these are the 4 teams that will CONSISTENTLY COMPETE.
To you, having small numbers means you don't have enough for two teams, for teams like Luverne or Sleepy Eye, small numbers means having 12 guys on a bantam team, 3 of them are 7th graders. A town like marshall has over 3 times the population to yield a team, so it makes sense for a team made up of 9 bantam age kids to play bantam b. You throw around the word ignorance, once again, http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrite. Here's a tidbit for ya, 07 Luverne player lead the conference in points, 09 Luverne player lead conference in points, 2011 Luverne player will lead conference in points. Small towns playing B will still push out good players, but lack of numbers will not allow them to compete. Sleepy eye trying to play A with 9 players total, rotating at goalie? That is stupid and why they don't. Redwood had the same issue a few years back in their youth program. In a perfect world you are right, but some towns don't have the numbers, they have the same number of very good players, but no decent players to pick up the slack. Hop off your high horse and get used to southwest minnesota hockey.Bettman's Bender wrote: Well if every town in this area is in the same boat with numbers, which they are, why dont they all just play A level and play each other? Im in tune with the youth programs here, they all can compete with each other. All of these towns should be running A programs. You dont think and A program from marshall couldnt "compete" with the A teams from Willmar, hutch, litch, NU? yes they could. And even if they cant, how are they supposed to get better? You get better by playing at a higher level. Somebody is going to have to be willing to take a few knocks right away but in the end if you want to have a good program you play A. Idc if you go to the cities and lose 20-0 to wayzata. Its better than traveling to worthington playing B and winning 4-3. This is America, embrace the spirit of competition.