AAA National Championships with MN in them.... a proposal!

[old goalie85]

Sounds like a good idea to me as well, but I agree w/the fact that in Mn, more than most States the hockey kids still play Baseball/track/Lacross. Not to mention it gets nice out and a guy might want to do some fishing/Golfing/outdoor activitys since we are locked up in ice arenas all winter. For some kids I'm sure it would be a great fit. Maybe one team per section ?? You could do bantams by district as well.

[Froggy Richards]

Sounds like a good idea to me as well, but I agree w/the fact that in Mn, more than most States the hockey kids still play Baseball/track/Lacross. Not to mention it gets nice out and a guy might want to do some fishing/outdoor activitys since we are locked up in ice arenas all winter. For some kids I'm sure it would be a great fit. Maybe one team per section ?? You could do bantams by district as well.

Yes, all of those reasons are big factors in why there is no interest. But I think the biggest reason is what I've stated before. In the rest of the country the National Championships are probably the big prize and what all of the good High School aged players shoot for. In Minnesota it's the State Tournament. That is the end game team/dream wise. Nothing after that is going to be worth the investment of time and money. That doesn't mean some don't want to go on and improve their game, many high end players do that in Juniors. But that is the focus, improving their individual game. Any additional team focused competition right after the State Tournament just isn't going to get a lot of people fired up. It does in the fall as a lead in to the High School season, but not after. If they played the National Championships in the fall, then you would see some interest. Otherwise, for these kids, It would be kind of like playing in the World Series and then heading off to the Arizona Fall League. I don't mean that skill wise, some of the best players in the country probably play in the Nat. Championships, but from an overall experience standpoint. It's just the difference between Association/Community based hockey and AAA.

[old goalie85]

Never been to a National Championship , but have heard" no one in the crowd." Some parents and other teams. Not the state tourny our kids are used to.

[stromboli]

QUOTE "Muskegon’s Local Sports Journal had a pretty revealing quote from Lumberjacks coach Todd Krygier about the amount of bona fide USHL skaters that have opted to head back to the Minnesota High School Ranks to, essentially, dominate: “We tried to keep them [in Muskegon] again this weekend, but for some reason kids from Minnesota want to go back and play a lower level of hockey…To me, playing at a lower level, if you’re a serious hockey player, does not make sense. You don’t get better playing at lower levels. But for some reason, the culture in Minnesota, they think it’s more important to play in front of a big crowd and their girlfriends.”

Perception outside of MN is that MN kids stay home more often than not.

While I don't expect that perception to change anytime soon, I wouldn't be surprised to see a continuing upward trend of more kids leaving MN HS hockey early. It's hard to argue with the number that left this year, and was discussed in other threads, including the influence of summer AAA hockey with younger families.

A shot to play for a national title and to have a spotlight outside of the MN bubble might keep a few more kids home. Especially if a non-Shattuck team made it to nationals and won. Wouldn't that be a feather in MN's hat?

Shattuck wouldn't win against Elite League-level teams every year (they don't win every game now, just most). And any team that beats Shattuck has a chance to do some damage at nationals.

I don't see a big downside -- other than possibly for Shattuck.

It could even be that a few MN kids/families might forego Shattuck entirely if they thought they could play for a state title AND have a shot at a national title through an elite league-type team.

Just a thought, and in no way am I taking a shot at Shattuck. Great school and hockey program.

[Froggy Richards]

QUOTE "Muskegon’s Local Sports Journal had a pretty revealing quote from Lumberjacks coach Todd Krygier about the amount of bona fide USHL skaters that have opted to head back to the Minnesota High School Ranks to, essentially, dominate: “We tried to keep them [in Muskegon] again this weekend, but for some reason kids from Minnesota want to go back and play a lower level of hockey…To me, playing at a lower level, if you’re a serious hockey player, does not make sense. You don’t get better playing at lower levels. But for some reason, the culture in Minnesota, they think it’s more important to play in front of a big crowd and their girlfriends.”

Perception outside of MN is that MN kids stay home more often than not.

While I don't expect that perception to change anytime soon, I wouldn't be surprised to see a continuing upward trend of more kids leaving MN HS hockey early. It's hard to argue with the number that left this year, and was discussed in other threads, including the influence of summer AAA hockey with younger families.

A shot to play for a national title and to have a spotlight outside of the MN bubble might keep a few more kids home. Especially if a non-Shattuck team made it to nationals and won. Wouldn't that be a feather in MN's hat?

Shattuck wouldn't win against Elite League-level teams every year (they don't win every game now, just most). And any team that beats Shattuck has a chance to do some damage at nationals.

I don't see a big downside -- other than possibly for Shattuck.

It could even be that a few MN kids/families might forego Shattuck entirely if they thought they could play for a state title AND have a shot at a national title through an elite league-type team.

Just a thought, and in no way am I taking a shot at Shattuck. Great school and hockey program.

Krygier is from Illinois. He never experienced MN High School Hockey so he has no idea what he's talking about. Obviously there is a reason these kids want to come back.

I don't think kids go to Shattuck to compete for National Titles. They go to become better hockey players and to be part of a select group. And their parents have an extra 40k to spend per year, obviously.

[stromboli]

QUOTE "Muskegon’s Local Sports Journal had a pretty revealing quote from Lumberjacks coach Todd Krygier about the amount of bona fide USHL skaters that have opted to head back to the Minnesota High School Ranks to, essentially, dominate: “We tried to keep them [in Muskegon] again this weekend, but for some reason kids from Minnesota want to go back and play a lower level of hockey…To me, playing at a lower level, if you’re a serious hockey player, does not make sense. You don’t get better playing at lower levels. But for some reason, the culture in Minnesota, they think it’s more important to play in front of a big crowd and their girlfriends.”

Perception outside of MN is that MN kids stay home more often than not.

While I don't expect that perception to change anytime soon, I wouldn't be surprised to see a continuing upward trend of more kids leaving MN HS hockey early. It's hard to argue with the number that left this year, and was discussed in other threads, including the influence of summer AAA hockey with younger families.

A shot to play for a national title and to have a spotlight outside of the MN bubble might keep a few more kids home. Especially if a non-Shattuck team made it to nationals and won. Wouldn't that be a feather in MN's hat?

Shattuck wouldn't win against Elite League-level teams every year (they don't win every game now, just most). And any team that beats Shattuck has a chance to do some damage at nationals.

I don't see a big downside -- other than possibly for Shattuck.

It could even be that a few MN kids/families might forego Shattuck entirely if they thought they could play for a state title AND have a shot at a national title through an elite league-type team.

Just a thought, and in no way am I taking a shot at Shattuck. Great school and hockey program.

Krygier is from Illinois. He never experienced MN High School Hockey so he has no idea what he's talking about. Obviously there is a reason these kids want to come back.

I don't think kids go to Shattuck to compete for National Titles. They go to become better hockey players and to be part of a select group. And their parents have an extra 40k to spend per year, obviously.

You're either dense or trolling.

I'm gonna give you the benefit and say you've gone fishing.

Doesn't matter if Krygier is from Ill. That's my point. The perception outside of MN is that it's hard to get MN kids to leave the state.

Obviously there is a reason they come back. I'd say there's more than one. Safe to include likely reasons such as family, friends (I'll give Krygier credit for adding girlfriends), playing with buddies, having a shot at state,,,,

Part of the Shattuck appeal is definitely playing for top-flight team that has a shot at a national title each year. If it was simply to become a better hockey player and be a part of a select group -- there are other options.

As to the parents having an extra $40k. Some do. Some don't.

Nope, changed my mind. You're not fishing.

[Froggy Richards]

QUOTE "Muskegon’s Local Sports Journal had a pretty revealing quote from Lumberjacks coach Todd Krygier about the amount of bona fide USHL skaters that have opted to head back to the Minnesota High School Ranks to, essentially, dominate: “We tried to keep them [in Muskegon] again this weekend, but for some reason kids from Minnesota want to go back and play a lower level of hockey…To me, playing at a lower level, if you’re a serious hockey player, does not make sense. You don’t get better playing at lower levels. But for some reason, the culture in Minnesota, they think it’s more important to play in front of a big crowd and their girlfriends.”

Perception outside of MN is that MN kids stay home more often than not.

While I don't expect that perception to change anytime soon, I wouldn't be surprised to see a continuing upward trend of more kids leaving MN HS hockey early. It's hard to argue with the number that left this year, and was discussed in other threads, including the influence of summer AAA hockey with younger families.

A shot to play for a national title and to have a spotlight outside of the MN bubble might keep a few more kids home. Especially if a non-Shattuck team made it to nationals and won. Wouldn't that be a feather in MN's hat?

Shattuck wouldn't win against Elite League-level teams every year (they don't win every game now, just most). And any team that beats Shattuck has a chance to do some damage at nationals.

I don't see a big downside -- other than possibly for Shattuck.

It could even be that a few MN kids/families might forego Shattuck entirely if they thought they could play for a state title AND have a shot at a national title through an elite league-type team.

Just a thought, and in no way am I taking a shot at Shattuck. Great school and hockey program.

Krygier is from Illinois. He never experienced MN High School Hockey so he has no idea what he's talking about. Obviously there is a reason these kids want to come back.

I don't think kids go to Shattuck to compete for National Titles. They go to become better hockey players and to be part of a select group. And their parents have an extra 40k to spend per year, obviously.

You're either dense or trolling.

I'm gonna give you the benefit and say you've gone fishing.

Doesn't matter if Krygier is from Ill. That's my point. The perception outside of MN is that it's hard to get MN kids to leave the state.

Obviously there is a reason they come back. I'd say there's more than one. Safe to include likely reasons such as family, friends (I'll give Krygier credit for adding girlfriends), playing with buddies, having a shot at state,,,,

Part of the Shattuck appeal is definitely playing for top-flight team that has a shot at a national title each year. If it was simply to become a better hockey player and be a part of a select group -- there are other options.

As to the parents having an extra $40k. Some do. Some don't.

Nope, changed my mind. You're not fishing.

Whoa, sensitive are we? Don't get your panties in a bunch, I was commenting on Krygier's comment, not your post.

As far as Shattuck, where else in MN are these other options for the MN kids/families that you refer to? Assuming of course that a lot of the appeal of Shattuck is they get to stay close to their families and friends.

[stromboli]

Krygier is from Illinois. He never experienced MN High School Hockey so he has no idea what he's talking about. Obviously there is a reason these kids want to come back.

I don't think kids go to Shattuck to compete for National Titles. They go to become better hockey players and to be part of a select group. And their parents have an extra 40k to spend per year, obviously.

You're either dense or trolling.

I'm gonna give you the benefit and say you've gone fishing.

Doesn't matter if Krygier is from Ill. That's my point. The perception outside of MN is that it's hard to get MN kids to leave the state.

Obviously there is a reason they come back. I'd say there's more than one. Safe to include likely reasons such as family, friends (I'll give Krygier credit for adding girlfriends), playing with buddies, having a shot at state,,,,

Part of the Shattuck appeal is definitely playing for top-flight team that has a shot at a national title each year. If it was simply to become a better hockey player and be a part of a select group -- there are other options.

As to the parents having an extra $40k. Some do. Some don't.

Nope, changed my mind. You're not fishing.

Whoa, sensitive are we? Don't get your panties in a bunch, I was commenting on Krygier's comment, not your post.

As far as Shattuck, where else in MN are these other options for the MN kids/families that you refer to? Assuming of course that a lot of the appeal of Shattuck is they get to stay close to their families and friends.

Readjusted. Thanks. Much more comfortable now.

As far as other options, I guess it depends on what each kid/family is looking for. Nothing wrong with a combination of education and hockey at other privates like Hill, BSM, STA, etc. But that assumes they're okay playing within the state.

If it was only about education, Blake and SPA are also good options (just continuing with the private school comparison vs. Shattuck -- not a debate of private vs. public).

If it's more about hockey, NAHL and USHL are good options. That assumes that staying close to families and friends isn't as important.

When it comes to a combination of education, hockey, and a NATIONAL spotlight -- Shattuck is the frontrunner in my opinion. If a family lives in the southern metro, then even better, as the kid gets to stay close to family and friends like you mentioned.

[JSR]

Sounds like a good idea to me as well, but I agree w/the fact that in Mn, more than most States the hockey kids still play Baseball/track/Lacross. Not to mention it gets nice out and a guy might want to do some fishing/outdoor activitys since we are locked up in ice arenas all winter. For some kids I'm sure it would be a great fit. Maybe one team per section ?? You could do bantams by district as well.

Yes, all of those reasons are big factors in why there is no interest. But I think the biggest reason is what I've stated before. In the rest of the country the National Championships are probably the big prize and what all of the good High School aged players shoot for. In Minnesota it's the State Tournament. That is the end game team/dream wise. Nothing after that is going to be worth the investment of time and money. That doesn't mean some don't want to go on and improve their game, many high end players do that in Juniors. But that is the focus, improving their individual game. Any additional team focused competition right after the State Tournament just isn't going to get a lot of people fired up. It does in the fall as a lead in to the High School season, but not after. If they played the National Championships in the fall, then you would see some interest. Otherwise, for these kids, It would be kind of like playing in the World Series and then heading off to the Arizona Fall League. I don't mean that skill wise, some of the best players in the country probably play in the Nat. Championships, but from an overall experience standpoint. It's just the difference between Association/Community based hockey and AAA.

Froggie, I do think the MN state high school championships are awesome, I also think there is something good about them and alot of players look at it as the pinnacle. I also think your vew on it is a bit outdated and as the new regime of kids who have grown up in the new world of spring/'summer AAA hockey that has really only taken hold in the last 6+ years and the experiences these kids see outside of MN, well I think their attitude about the MN High School tourney is going to change with it a bit. I think it's still going to be a huge prize but they won't be as "insulated" as their predecessors were. Next years freshman are really the first real generation of this, you can see it already in the creation of that Bantam Elite League that will start this coming summer. I think your take is correct for the current and previous generations, I don't think it remains the same for the incoming ones.......

[JSR]

Never been to a National Championship , but have heard" no one in the crowd." Some parents and other teams. Not the state tourny our kids are used to.

Can't compare anything, attendance wise, to your state championships I mean you guys fill a freaking stadium. I mean in comparison no one is at ANYONE elses high school state championships. I mean I don;t you even see that kind of attendance for football or basketball .... that said the crowds are not as bare as you are thinking but nothing compared to your state championships.....

[JSR]

Sounds like a good idea to me as well, but I agree w/the fact that in Mn, more than most States the hockey kids still play Baseball/track/Lacross. Not to mention it gets nice out and a guy might want to do some fishing/Golfing/outdoor activitys since we are locked up in ice arenas all winter. For some kids I'm sure it would be a great fit. Maybe one team per section ?? You could do bantams by district as well.

I think you wold be surprised.....

[shyguy]

I've heard the idea of MN making a AAA National Tournament eligible team for the last 4 or 5 years. It would be a good idea to make a U-18 team from Minnesota for next years tournament. Imagine if our top 96, 97, and 98 players rounded up for 4 weeks to play on a post high school all-star team. We would have a top 3 ranked team, easily.

Just something to think about. MN high school could get even a better rep on a national scale.

[Bigcat99]

Never been to a National Championship , but have heard" no one in the crowd." Some parents and other teams. Not the state tourny our kids are used to.

Can't compare anything, attendance wise, to your state championships I mean you guys fill a freaking stadium. I mean in comparison no one is at ANYONE elses high school state championships. I mean I don;t you even see that kind of attendance for football or basketball .... that said the crowds are not as bare as you are thinking but nothing compared to your state championships.....

The Taj Mahal (the Ralph) of college hockey seats ~11K and isn't exactly empty for the ND state tourney. Google it if you never heard of it!

[JSR]

Never been to a National Championship , but have heard" no one in the crowd." Some parents and other teams. Not the state tourny our kids are used to.

Can't compare anything, attendance wise, to your state championships I mean you guys fill a freaking stadium. I mean in comparison no one is at ANYONE elses high school state championships. I mean I don;t you even see that kind of attendance for football or basketball .... that said the crowds are not as bare as you are thinking but nothing compared to your state championships.....

The Taj Mahal (the Ralph) of college hockey seats ~11K and isn't exactly empty for the ND state tourney. Google it if you never heard of it!

LOL, Taj Mahal, that's funny.... The Kohl Center is bigger and historically rules college hockey attendance and Notre Dame's Compton Center, while not as many seats, is WAY nicer amenity wise, if there is college hockey Taj Mahal it's the Kohl Center or the Compton Center not the Ralph... The Ralph (yes I've been there) is nice but it's not the Taj Mahal of college hockey, only someone from ND would ever think that..... That said I didn't realize they filled the stadium for ND's high school hockey championships, heck I didn't know they had 11,000 people in ND to fill it for that j/k...

But for the record "The Minnesota State High School Hockey Tournament is currently the largest state sports tournament in the United States in terms of viewing and attendance, beating both the Texas and Florida's State High School Football Tournament and the Indiana State High School Basketball Tournament", that is public factual record so I stand by my statement

[WestMetro]

Good faith positive suggestion.

Anything that might help prevent U18 top MN talent from bolting to programs in Iowa, ND or Mich.

Even if a person DOESNT accept the premise that U18s are better off living at home and finishing high school, Minnesota needs to realize there is a statewide reputational and economic benefit to keeping top talent here as long as possible.

[puckbreath]

Never been to a National Championship , but have heard" no one in the crowd." Some parents and other teams. Not the state tourny our kids are used to.

Can't compare anything, attendance wise, to your state championships I mean you guys fill a freaking stadium. I mean in comparison no one is at ANYONE elses high school state championships. I mean I don;t you even see that kind of attendance for football or basketball .... that said the crowds are not as bare as you are thinking but nothing compared to your state championships.....

The Taj Mahal (the Ralph) of college hockey seats ~11K and isn't exactly empty for the ND state tourney. Google it if you never heard of it!

But it's still ND high school hockey........

[Mitch Hawker]

Then if you have a district tournament it has to be run in March same weekend as other district tournaments.

This is not true as Massachusetts has always run their Tier 1 Tournament in early November to select their representatives for the National Tournament from their "Selects" league. The players then go back to their HS and Prep School teams for the winter season.

MASSACHUSETTS HOCKEY
2013 Tier 1 National-Bound State Championships
NEW ENGLAND SPORTS CENTER, MARLBORO
NOVEMBER 8-10, 2013

16-UNDER CHAMPIONS 18-UNDER CHAMPIONS

Valley Junior Warriors Boch Blazers
Massachusetts champions will represent the state next at the
USA Hockey Tier 1 National Championships
April 2-6, 2014, in Green Bay, Wisconsin

http://www.massselects.com/

Another thing to think about: I doubt if every player on the Elite League teams currently meets USA Hockey U18 age requirements.

[JSR]

Then if you have a district tournament it has to be run in March same weekend as other district tournaments.

This is not true as Massachusetts has always run their Tier 1 Tournament in early November to select their representatives for the National Tournament from their "Selects" league. The players then go back to their HS and Prep School teams for the winter season.

MASSACHUSETTS HOCKEY
2013 Tier 1 National-Bound State Championships
NEW ENGLAND SPORTS CENTER, MARLBORO
NOVEMBER 8-10, 2013

16-UNDER CHAMPIONS 18-UNDER CHAMPIONS

Valley Junior Warriors Boch Blazers
Massachusetts champions will represent the state next at the
USA Hockey Tier 1 National Championships
April 2-6, 2014, in Green Bay, Wisconsin

http://www.massselects.com/

Another thing to think about: I doubt if every player on the Elite League teams currently meets USA Hockey U18 age requirements.

Fair enough on Mass, though I find that very peculiar honestly... but never the less obviously it's there so that is fine but it really doesn't change teh proposal much nor does effect my thinking that this could be a good idea for MN....

On the U18 age requirements, pretty sure that would be a very easy "problem" to fix, if in fact it even is a real problem to be fixed, I mean this year's tournament the age cutoff for U18's was players born in 1995, if you are older than that and still in high school, well I am having a hard time coming up with that scenario for a "normal" student. Yes I know kids are "held back" for numberous reasons but even if you were a January 1, 1995 birthday and held back you still would be eligible and let's face it hardly no one is held back (unless developmentally incapable, and they aren't likely top hockey players...) who is older than that, atleast I haven't met any yet, oldest held back normal kid I know has a March birthday, so are there any 1994 birth year kids still going to high school up there?? Maybe there are but is it a real problem for the scenario we are discussing???

[Mitch Hawker]

Not really. I guess the real "problem" is that most people don't seem to see a need to go to this extra expense.

I don't think it is the case that nobody has thought of this before.

What would be the purpose of sending e.g. the Elite League champion to Nationals?

Scouting? The kids are scouted more at the Elite League Tournament than they would be at Nationals.

Competition? The Elite League is pretty darn good. e.g. National Champion Shattuck lost just 8 games this year, three losses were to three different Elite League teams and two more were to non-Elite League teams in the Elite League NIT. Shattuck did not lose a single game (non-shootout) to a U18 Midget AAA team this season. (Their other 3 losses were to a Top NA3HL team, a Swedish U20 "Super Elite" team and a shootout loss in pool play at Nationals).

[old goalie85]

Not to mention Mn kids/parents are ready to get outside.

[JSR]

Not really. I guess the real "problem" is that most people don't seem to see a need to go to this extra expense.

I don't think it is the case that nobody has thought of this before.

What would be the purpose of sending e.g. the Elite League champion to Nationals?

Scouting? The kids are scouted more at the Elite League Tournament than they would be at Nationals.

Competition? The Elite League is pretty darn good. e.g. National Champion Shattuck lost just 8 games this year, three losses were to three different Elite League teams and two more were to non-Elite League teams in the Elite League NIT. Shattuck did not lose a single game (non-shootout) to a U18 Midget AAA team this season. (Their other 3 losses were to a Top NA3HL team, a Swedish U20 "Super Elite" team and a shootout loss in pool play at Nationals).

I would respectfully disgree that they are scouted "more" at the Elite League. Probably just as much and on equal footing but I would not say "more". The Tier 1 kids are scouted during their season AND highly at nationals, the number of college coaches and scouts in the stands at nationals last week was impressive. But that said, this is based on right now, I believe now is a good time to entertain this as the writing is on the wall that things are slowly shifting and changing in the sport. Better to be proactive than reactive in my opinion.

As for Schattuck's U18s, the reality is that for the rest of the country the U18's are kind of the "leftovers" of the Tier 1 world, anyone with really top end talent has moved on to juniors and does not play Tier 1 AAA at U18's any longer. Don't get me wrong it's still really really good hockey and alot of those kids will make it to juniors or beyond but it's defnitely watered down compared to the U16's... Nationally at Tier 1 AAA, the U16's are the top end level for Tier 1, that is where you find the best of the best outside of Minnesota competing against eachother and they haven't moved on to junior hockey yet etc (note the USNDTP starts at U17 and U18, not U16 as another example of this)..... My proposal is based on MN sending teams at all three levels so that needs to be addressed because the reality is the big deal is at the U16's, so any proposal would have to take that into account as well and I know alot of your top end MN U16's play for the top Elite League teams so my proposal hasn't fully figured out everything obviously, but it's a start

[puckbreath]

Not to mention Mn kids/parents are ready to get outside.

And only a comparative few, could afford something like this.

[JSR]

Not to mention Mn kids/parents are ready to get outside.

OG85, I respect your opinion but I disagree with you for U16 and U18 players who are playing at this level. By that age if they playa t that level and are looking at playing hockey beyond high school then 99% of them are literally year round participants and they are just moving toward the "next season" of hockey. Exceptions to every rule of cours the overwhelming majority are just looking for more opportunities to get better to help them move on......

[JSR]

Not to mention Mn kids/parents are ready to get outside.

And only a comparative few, could afford something like this.

Something like what? A weekend tournament in another state (that just happens to be the national championship tourney), hmmmmm, yea I am going to go ahead and disagree with you based on the LOADS of money that LOADS parents are dropping on spring and summer hockey up in MN for thigns not half as exciting or half as big of an opprtunity as this.....

[puckbreath]

Not to mention Mn kids/parents are ready to get outside.

And only a comparative few, could afford something like this.

Something like what? A weekend tournament in another state (that just happens to be the national championship tourney), hmmmmm, yea I am going to go ahead and disagree with you based on the LOADS of money that LOADS parents are dropping on spring and summer hockey up in MN for thigns not half as exciting or half as big of an opprtunity as this.....

Yeah, a weekend tournament in another state.

Most of the spring/summer hockey in the state, at least in my experience, happens in the metro/Duluth areas.

Another state/town is a lot different, $ wise, than a weekend tournament in the metro area, for a metro family, or the same scenario for a Duluth family, which would involve no hotel/travel bills/time, which is where the vast majority of the players you're thinking about would come from.

Hell, metro-ites already bitch and moan if they have to go north of St. Cloud



Long story short, none of these tournaments are anything new, and there's been no interest, that I know of, of forming MN teams to go to them.

There's a reason for that, what it is, I don't know. Anyone ?

Want it to change ?

Have someone, some organization in MN making money off it, and this would change overnight.