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There is a Fleet Farm in Monticello?? Is it open...if it is you just made my day!

HOFam'r wrote:There is a Fleet Farm in Monticello?? Is it open...if it is you just made my day!

Sorry HOFam'r, it was approved at the city level this summer. I can't tell you for sure if they've started construction or not. It's definitely not open. Thankfully for CNT and all the Rogers folks they darn near have their very own just down 81 in Osseo. No need to move!

Now that we are into the season, I see Buffalo isn't leading the district in either A Bantam or A Peewee.

dont be fooled by the mid season stats.Buffalo will be towards the top when it all shakes out, LOOK at the loss catagory for now, still lots of games to played, and YES Hofarmer, im not bashing Buffalo, just stating the Facts without opinion

I just picked another D5 association that is a growing outer ring community, St. Michael and did a partial comparision, here is what I found:

2000 cencus

Buffalo: 10,097
St. Michael & Albertville: 12,270

Hockey data taken from each website:

Buffalo Squirt teams: (yes they have 5 B teams no C teams , read LPH, i would love to hear some discussion on Jack B's article in another forum)
SA 11Skaters, 1Goalie
SB1 9S, 1G
SB2 10S, 1G
SB3 10S, 1G
SB4 (no roster so assume)10S, 1G
SB5 10S, 1G
Total of 60S, 6G

STMA(St. Michael-Albertville)
SA 15S, 1G
SB 13S, 1G
SCG 11S,1G
SCB 11S,1G
Total of 50S, 5G

Buffalo Peewee teams:
PA 14S, 2G
PB 14S, 1G
PC 13S, 2G
Total of 41S, 5G

STMA(St. Michael-Albertville)
PA 15S, 2G
PB 15S, 1G
PC 15S, 2G
Total of 45S,5G


Some comparisons of driving distance to some D3 & D10 locations(just from Mapquest (city to city)).

To Wayzata:
Buffalo=27.97m STMA=26.32m

To New Hope:
Buffalo=33.85m STMA=22.00m

To Rogers:
Buffalo=18.3m STMA=6.48m

To Maple Grove:
Buffalo=29.10m STMA=17.24m

To Brooklyn Park (north metro):
Buffalo=33.85m STMA=22.00m

To Elk River:
Buffalo=23.45m STMA=11.60m

I can see why they should be let out of D5 after seeing that info.......

Hey, all the small outer ring associations change and MN hockey needs to be actively making sure that things are being changed to keep up with these type of things.

BUFFALO IS NOT ALONE IN THIS ISSUE.

And here all this time inside of hockey I was thinking that you get better by what you do prior to games, not so much in them...

All this back and forth makes me wonder if someone in Buffalo doesn't have the problem with D5?

I have to admit I didn't read all 5 pages when it started to be an attack on E70 for giving information about the subject, which he seems to have some insight on.

Why not create outstanding hockey players instead of contraversy???

My_Kid_Loves_Hockey wrote:I just picked another D5 association that is a growing outer ring community, St. Michael and did a partial comparision, here is what I found:

2000 cencus

Buffalo: 10,097
St. Michael & Albertville: 12,270

Hockey data taken from each website:

Buffalo Squirt teams: (yes they have 5 B teams no C teams , read LPH, i would love to hear some discussion on Jack B's article in another forum)
SA 11Skaters, 1Goalie
SB1 9S, 1G
SB2 10S, 1G
SB3 10S, 1G
SB4 (no roster so assume)10S, 1G
SB5 10S, 1G
Total of 60S, 6G

STMA(St. Michael-Albertville)
SA 15S, 1G
SB 13S, 1G
SCG 11S,1G
SCB 11S,1G
Total of 50S, 5G

Buffalo Peewee teams:
PA 14S, 2G
PB 14S, 1G
PC 13S, 2G
Total of 41S, 5G

STMA(St. Michael-Albertville)
PA 15S, 2G
PB 15S, 1G
PC 15S, 2G
Total of 45S,5G


Some comparisons of driving distance to some D3 & D10 locations(just from Mapquest (city to city)).

To Wayzata:
Buffalo=27.97m STMA=26.32m

To New Hope:
Buffalo=33.85m STMA=22.00m

To Rogers:
Buffalo=18.3m STMA=6.48m

To Maple Grove:
Buffalo=29.10m STMA=17.24m

To Brooklyn Park (north metro):
Buffalo=33.85m STMA=22.00m

To Elk River:
Buffalo=23.45m STMA=11.60m

I can see why they should be let out of D5 after seeing that info.......

Hey, all the small outer ring associations change and MN hockey needs to be actively making sure that things are being changed to keep up with these type of things.

BUFFALO IS NOT ALONE IN THIS ISSUE.

Quite a bit of research...not sure what your point was.....

Some more research.........recently Buffalo's Bantam A team defeated STMA 7-0 and Buffalo's Bantam B team defeated STMA 8-0. Somewhere in the equation that should be relevant!!!!

Overall district result might prove to be more usefull in this thread...

Silent, i guess my point is that Buffalo's contention is that THEY are now outgrowing D5 & that they are so much closer to the D3 & D10 associations they so badly want to join . My information was to show that other "outer ring associations" are facing the same issue.

I glad that your Bantam teams are doing so well, but nowhere in my post did i get into any scores......

If you're so interested in the future of Buffalo hockey, take a quick look at the squirt B scores for Buffalo's 5 B teams......because by the time this happens, the Bantams will be gone off to HS.

My_Kid_Loves_Hockey wrote:Silent, i guess my point is that Buffalo's contention is that THEY are now outgrowing D5 & that they are so much closer to the D3 & D10 associations they so badly want to join . My information was to show that other "outer ring associations" are facing the same issue.

I glad that your Bantam teams are doing so well, but nowhere in my post did i get into any scores......

If you're so interested in the future of Buffalo hockey, take a quick look at the squirt B scores for Buffalo's 5 B teams......because by the time this happens, the Bantams will be gone off to HS.

I can't speak for BYHA, however, I think the issue has more to do with level of competition than it does association size or geography.

Sure it has to do with competition, but better teams come from bigger associations as a whole, so as the others are growing their domination of D5 goes away and they then fall right back in line.

Having grown up playing in a D3 association(way back in the stone age), Elk River or Eden Prairie were no competition and New Hope(now Armstrong & Cooper) was but as they grew or got older look what happened to them......completely opposite directions......

My_Kid_Loves_Hockey wrote:Sure it has to do with competition, but better teams come from bigger associations as a whole, so as the others are growing their domination of D5 goes away and they then fall right back in line.

Having grown up playing in a D3 association(way back in the stone age), Elk River or Eden Prairie were no competition and New Hope(now Armstrong & Cooper) was but as they grew or got older look what happened to them......completely opposite directions......

Kinda like Roseau and Warroad??

inthestands you understand it completely don't you, the part where i wrote that ALL the best teams come from the BIGGEST associations.......

My_Kid_Loves_Hockey wrote:Sure it has to do with competition, but better teams come from bigger associations as a whole, so as the others are growing their domination of D5 goes away and they then fall right back in line.

Having grown up playing in a D3 association(way back in the stone age), Elk River or Eden Prairie were no competition and New Hope(now Armstrong & Cooper) was but as they grew or got older look what happened to them......completely opposite directions......

Good points, however, Willmar, Litchfield Dassel/Cokato, Hutchinson and River Lakes associations don't seem to be growing at all and seem to be falling further behind...not catching up. Your point is valid for STMA, Monticello/Annandale/Maple Lake (MAML), Mound, Delano/Rockford (Crow River). They are in growth areas but they are single sheet associations and also don't seem to be keeping up. Newcomer Sartell is at or near the top at most age categories.

I am sympathetic to BYHA's cause, however, I offer no solution.

Kid loves hockey, I don't think Buffalo's contention has ever been that they are better than other teams, its that they want to improve. One piece of that puzzle is providing teams with consistently strong competition so the players realize what they hav to work towards. Providing lots of practice time, growing the #'s, getting into competative tournaments and setting up tough non-league games have all been part of the package in Buffalo for years. Its the roller-coaster ride on the district schedule that dogs them. they want to play Wayzata, Hopkins, Maple Grove/osseo, Blaine, Centennial, St Cloud, ER, etc on a regular basis not because they feel they ARE as good as those teams, but because they want that consistent exposure so they can become like those teams.

You mention Buffalo's 4 squirt B teams. Buffalo doesn't do a squirt C team (or 2 like some associations.) Buffalo expects every squirt to work hard in games and practices (lots of those) instead of playing for an easy short term win and who cares what happens next year.

Its fun to play Sartell, they have some nice teams. But I have to wonder if they will be able to continue to play at that level in the upcoming years now that they have moved to D5 from D10. I wish them well.

I'll use the Buffalo girls teams as another example. They have been paying their dues with a D10 A district schedule for years now and in the last 2 seasons have fielded some very nice 12A and 14A teams. They are small teams and usually have a few new skaters, but they consistently work hard. They have to, look at who they play on a weekly basis.

The Buffalo board would not be doing its job if it wasn't constantly pushing for improvement.

over8ted, , I never said that Buffalo thinks they are better than other teams, it had to do with travel & size of association fitting in better with other districts.

My point was that this is a issue for many others too, so rather than worry about making it better for one, lets try to work it for many so we don't have a bunch of associations all trying to fight to get out----We need redistricting-----for the state not for single associations.

As far as the 5 Buffalo Squirt B teams, IMO, associations should be trying to put kids at the level that their skills dictates, looking at scores for these teams and hearing how they faired last year, they should have had some C teams, maybe even 2-3. I find it hard to believe that they have only B caliber players, lord knows there are plenty of C players out there.

Coaches know how difficult it is to run a practice when probably 1/3 of the players struggle to keep up with the true B players, that's not helping them.

Enough of the politicaly correct BS, the ONLY reason Buffalo wants out is that they think they greater program than anybody else in the district, and at this point in time they are that the top in alot , but as said previous this all goes in cycles, communnities grow and then some towns hvae a special groups that comes along, again the cycle , to clear up some previous stuff. Mound Has 2 rinks Pond and Thaler, and Sartell is D-5 not D-10, and agree that redistricting is for all the Communities not just one, that says it all

puckeyone wrote:Enough of the politicaly correct BS, the ONLY reason Buffalo wants out is that they think they greater program than anybody else in the district, and at this point in time they are that the top in alot , but as said previous this all goes in cycles, communnities grow and then some towns hvae a special groups that comes along, again the cycle , to clear up some previous stuff. Mound Has 2 rinks Pond and Thaler, and Sartell is D-5 not D-10, and agree that redistricting is for all the Communities not just one, that says it all

Puckeyone, the insight you have into Buffalo hockey is great. Are you a board member or coach? Why do you feel so superior to all the other associations? What do you have that other associations don't? With represenatives like yourself I am suprised that Buffalo is not running Minnesota hockey. Thanks for the honesty, but try not to come off so conceded, others are not going to listen until you can get your point across without sounding like you are above everybody else.