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Re: good feedback
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:25 pm
by Fargo
O-townClown wrote:Roseau is the #1 seed. That isn't up for discussion. Sorry if that offends those favoring someone else. They'll be seeded #1.
As mentioned, #2 = #3 since there is random draw for their opponents and they'd meet in the Semis if they both win. Edina is most likely #2. Both Edina and Benilde split with Minnetonka and B-SM won the head to head, but those are Edina's only losses and the Red Knights do have blemishes. Moot point though, although there is a mention of last substitution for line-matching.
Hill could edge Benilde for the #3. I don't see A,B,C getting a leg up on Benilde simply because the Red Knights record looks great and includes wins over 'Tonka, Edina, and Shattuck-St. Mary's.
The draw is more important than the seed. You think Roseau-Anoka as one quarter and Edina-Lakeville is a wash!? No way. Or vice versa. Three games in three days can wear a team out. Even with a win in the quarter teams would rather have an easier matchup.
I'm going on record saying there is no way Lakeville South or North wins their game. No chance.
Roseau #1 - please let's not argue. No case can be made for seeding them somewhere else. Had Edina come to Xcel with 1 loss it still would be very difficult to argue for seeding purposes. People do not forget that Roseau won last year, plus they met every challenge so far.
Not bad analysis - Anything can happen though.
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:32 pm
by SEChockeyfan08
What was the score of Roseau's section final game?
update
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:32 pm
by O-townClown
Neutron 14 wrote:HALs seeding of whose left
1 EDINA 2AA 21.68
3 ROSEAU 8AA 21.30
4 HILL MURRAY 21.11
5 CENTENNIAL 20.97
7 BENILDE ST MARGARETS 20.67
8 BLAINE 20.24
23 WHITE BEAR LAKE 18.65
25 WOODBURY 18.61
42 CLOQUET 17.62
44 LAKEVILLE SOUTH 17.45
74 LAKEVILLE NORTH 15.61
Seeds:
1) Roseau Rams
2) Edina Hornets
3) Benilde? or Hill-Murray?
4) Hill-Murray or Benilde or Centennial/Blaine winner if White Bear wins
**
Unseeded:
Centennial/Blaine winner or White Bear
Woodbury
Cloquet
Lakeville N or S
On paper, and I know that games can turn out any way you don't expect, the short straw is the team that draws Centennial/Blaine.
I don't think one of the Catholic schools can go unseeded because their records are so much better.
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 11:01 pm
by Cobber
Every year I hear the north teams play weak schedules yet last year the north had 2 teams in the state championship game. In fact only 2 times in the last ten years has there not been a north team in the state final. That is pretty amazing considering only 2 sections are from the north and we play such weak schedules. Maybe the city teams need to come north to play a tougher schedule or they can continue to hang there toughest schedule banners from there rafters.
yeah, maybe
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 11:11 pm
by O-townClown
Cobber wrote: Maybe the city teams need to come north to play a tougher schedule or they can continue to hang there toughest schedule banners from there rafters.
Cobber, it sure doesn't look like the high schools in the Twin Cities are doing anything wrong.
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 11:35 pm
by joycer10
Woodbury deserves some consideration afeter handing rosemount an 8-2 but kicking in a section championship game. I think if Hill loses tommorow Woodbury deserves the #4 seed over Centenial/Blaine
Re: yeah, maybe
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:06 am
by ACTUALFORMERPLAYER
Last year us flannel heads were listening to the same song and dance as this year. Last year "Weak" schedules got two northern teams into the finals. It is getting annoying to listen to PB and the rest of his choir. Repeating as state champs is almost impossible yet, if Roseau loses it will be, "I told you so".
Roseau's schedule is not a product of dodging teams. Roseau goes well out of its way to play good competition. River Lakes and Northern Lakes want sectional games with Roseau and have been told no. I would post the telephone number of Roseau's AD if anyone wants to play the Rams in the future but I realize the "talking heads" on the bored are just that. Why don't one of you guys, that obviously get paid all day to do nothing, add up all the mileage every Minnesota high school hockey team traveled this season and send it to Mitch and Lee. If you believe the computers, maybe they should have every X-factor instead of the easiest ones to program. Home versus away, who cares? How about away 20 minutes versus away 5 hours?
The city teams were the ones that pushed for seeding the tourney and now everyone wants to change the rules when
little tiny Roseau deserves it.
In class A will Warroad get rewarded for playing Roseau twice or be penalized for losing to them twice? According to PB's SOS argument, it is better to just play someone and winning doesn't matter.
Re: yeah, maybe
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:17 am
by O-townClown
ACTUALFORMERPLAYER wrote:
The city teams were the ones that pushed for seeding the tourney and now everyone wants to change the rules when little tiny Roseau deserves it.
The chip on your shoulder clashes with your smashing duds.
Seriously, do you feel
everyone wants to change the rules? I'm part of that large group you name, so your argument is already supported by a fallacy.
Roseau is an excellent team and I wouldn't worry if a few people dissent until they repeat.
As for discussions on whether they could beat Edina (#1 in the PS2 rank), Benilde (who has defeated 'Tonka, Edina, and Shattuck), or Hill-Murray (a private/metro school that is the antithesis of small-town Roseau)...
of course there will a mention of schedules. Hard not to notice that Roseau regularly beats up on teams that would split a home-and-home with winless Kennedy.
Roseau was the sentimental favorite of many last season and now is living with the "it seems like everyone hates us because they resent our success" burden that formerly was the exclusive property of Edina.
Deal with it.
The kids for Roseau know what they have to do. The kids for Edina know what they have to do. The kids for Hill know what they have to do. I think you are giving internet posters too much consideration.
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:21 am
by spindrift
1. Roseau
2. Edina
3. BSM
4. Woodbury
5. White Bear
6. Blaine
7. Cloquet
8. Lakeville NS
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:24 am
by Fargo
spindrift wrote:1. Roseau
2. Edina
3. BSM
4. Woodbury
5. White Bear
6. Blaine
7. Cloquet
8. Lakeville NS
Good
Re: yeah, maybe
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:04 am
by ACTUALFORMERPLAYER
O-townClown wrote:
Roseau was the sentimental favorite of many last season and now is living with the "it seems like everyone hates us because they resent our success" burden that formerly was the exclusive property of Edina.
You are still living in your glory days and the disco era. Many teams have had the hated label over the years not just Edina. Until last year Edina was on a 5 or 6 year appearance drought. Tough to hate someone not there.
If shooting me down by using the strict interpretation of the word "everyone" is the best you can do it wasn't worth a counterpoint. Next time I will name every poster individually so you are not confused. (You weren't Included)
The question is not,"can Roseau beat Edina, BSM, or Hill?", it is "can any of them beat Roseau?" As for winless Kennedy beating a team on Roseau's schedule you can only speculate since Kennedy dodged all those teams.
former
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:21 am
by O-townClown
Actual, the decline of Edina High is well-known, and it does not match with a decline of hockey in Edina. For many years - like other schools - top players were lost to private high schools, NTDP, and the USHL. This year the Hornets are intact, so there is naturally a lot of excitement. (Apologies to Chris Student of Edina. Enough of the team is intact.)
I never said Edina is the only team resented in recent memory, but I did say that formerly it was theirs and I stand by it. Like you mention, that was 70s and 80s.
People pull for Edina to lose. Now there are some pulling for Roseau to lose just because. Puzzling, actually, because I reckon many were rooting for them last year.
Once people see their team knocked out you'll find many just root against the teams they don't like. Yankees. Edina. Now Roseau too.
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 10:03 am
by MN Old Time Hockey
Assuming that Roseau gets the #1 seed (and Hill Murray beats WBL) I think most of the discussion at the seeding meeting will be surrounding the #2 - #4 seeds. The three teams with the best resumes are Edina, Benilde and Hill. Let's look at each team's resume in a little more depth:
[b]Edina 26-2[/b]
Key Wins - Burnsville (2), Hopkins (2), Minnetonka, Eden Praire, Holy Angels, Centennial, Duluth East, Cloquet, Eastview and Grand Rapids
Losses - Benilde and Minnetonka
[b]Benilde 25-3[/b]
Key wins - Edina, Duluth Marshall, Shattuck, Eden Praire, and Minnetonka
Losses - Minnetonka, Hill Murray, and St Thomas Academy
[b]Hill Murray 24-3-1[/b]
Key wins - Benilde, WBL (3), St. Thomas Academy (2), South St. Paul (2), Duluth East, and Moorehead
Losses - Tartan, Holy Angels, and Minnetonka
Looking at that information, both teams have some very good wins during the year and the only losses have come to stong competition (maybe with the exception of Hill's loss to Tartan).
Based on these resumes, I think the #2 - #4 seeding will go as follows:
#2 Edina
#3 Hill Murrary
#4 Benilde
I think Edina has a better resume than both teams. The decision between #3 and #4 will be a much tougher choice. My decision was based on the fact that Hill beat Benilde.
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 3:23 pm
by MNHockey75
AA is really easy as long as Hill beats WBL tonight...
1. Roseau
2. Edina
3. Hill-Murray
4. Benilde-St. Margaret's
Lakeville South/Lakeville North
Woodbury
Centennial/Blaine
Cloquet
If WBL beats Hill tonight, Woodbury will jump into the 4 spot.
I threw the bottom 4 teams into a hat and these are the matchups I came up with...
1. Roseau
Lakeville South
4. Benilde-St. Margaret's
Centennial
2. Edina
Woodbury
3. Hill-Murray
Cloquet
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 6:32 pm
by hockey_playa7
if white bear wins....
then im thinking woodbury gets the #4 seed...
I would love to see a Woodbury vs. Hill game tho...
a rematch of last year at state...!!
Re: update
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:55 pm
by O-townClown
Neutron 14 wrote:HALs seeding of whose left
1 EDINA 2AA 21.68
3 ROSEAU 8AA 21.30
4 HILL MURRAY 21.11
7 BENILDE ST MARGARETS 20.67
8 BLAINE 20.24
23 WHITE BEAR LAKE 18.65
25 WOODBURY 18.61
42 CLOQUET 17.62
44 LAKEVILLE SOUTH 17.45
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 10:23 pm
by ACTUALFORMERPLAYER
First post ever directly from the building 63 steps from Memorial! They have dial up. After a mafia meeting we decided the seeds are-
1. Roseau- undefeated
2. BSM - they beat Edina and Shattuck
3. Edina - they lost to BSM, but still pretty good
4. Blaine- the only city team willing to accept Roseau's challenge and schedule them, everybody else said it was too far.
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 10:24 pm
by HoundHockeyForever
Nah, I think if Hill wins, it'll go Roseau, Edina, Hill, Benilde. After that, it doesn't matter, because they don't seed them anyway. But if they did, I really think Blaine deserves that #5. They are a good hockey team, and that's that. On the other hand, Woodburys good too, so they would probably be 5, and then cloquet and Lakeville south, doesn't really matter. It depends on who Cloquet plays, but seriously now, I think they will run out of gas, or just get smoked by raw talent from the top 4 teams. Same with Lakeville South. Whoever draws Blaine will have a challenge, and possibly Woodbury too, depends on if they come to play or not.
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 10:26 pm
by mnmouth
Cobber
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Every year I hear the north teams play weak schedules yet last year the north had 2 teams in the state championship game. In fact only 2 times in the last ten years has there not been a north team in the state final. That is pretty amazing considering only 2 sections are from the north and we play such weak schedules. Maybe the city teams need to come north to play a tougher schedule or they can continue to hang there toughest schedule banners from there rafters.
You danggit Rock, Cobber!
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 10:28 pm
by onbison09
packerboy wrote:watchdog wrote:packer boy i cant wait for roseau to shut you up. if you havent figured it out by now you never will..
Another brilliant response.
Why dont you give us your argument as to why Roseau who plays the 40th toughest schedule in the state should be the #1 seed so we can all figure it out?
BIAFP, who won last year shouldn't mean squat. We are seeding the 2008 tournament. I mean come on, should we seed Moorhead #2 every year they come down?
28-0-0, Aaron Ness, Mike Lee, just a couple reasons why if they aren't number 1 there needs to be an FBI investigation.
Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 12:52 am
by komada77
What it will be:
#1: Roseau
#2: Edina
#3: BSM
#4: Hill Murray
What it should be:
#1: Edina (I can't believe I'm saying this)
#2: Roseau
#3: BSM
#4: Woodbury
Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 4:27 am
by Fargo
ACTUALFORMERPLAYER wrote:First post ever directly from the building 63 steps from Memorial! They have dial up. After a mafia meeting we decided the seeds are-
1. Roseau- undefeated
2. BSM - they beat Edina and Shattuck
3. Edina - they lost to BSM, but still pretty good
4. Blaine- the only city team willing to accept Roseau's challenge and schedule them, everybody else said it was too far.
Very thoughtful
Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 11:02 am
by packerboy
onbison09 wrote:packerboy wrote:watchdog wrote:packer boy i cant wait for roseau to shut you up. if you havent figured it out by now you never will..
Another brilliant response.
Why dont you give us your argument as to why Roseau who plays the 40th toughest schedule in the state should be the #1 seed so we can all figure it out?
BIAFP, who won last year shouldn't mean squat. We are seeding the 2008 tournament. I mean come on, should we seed Moorhead #2 every year they come down?
28-0-0, Aaron Ness, Mike Lee, just a couple reasons why if they aren't number 1 there needs to be an FBI investigation.
Again, if there wasnt a team called Edina who only lost 2 games by one goal to BSM and Tonka, who Roseau didnt play , it would be easy.
I doubt coaches analyze individual talent in seeding meetings .
Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 11:07 am
by BIAFP
Roseau got the #1 seed as they should. Just surprised they seeded Edina ahead of BSM
Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 11:14 am
by who_b_dat
and Roseau didnt draw Lakeville S in the first round
All looks good to me.