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HShockeywatcher wrote:Seems we have a new #1 team in section 2AA.

I think I can now satisfy others with my putting EP ahead of BJ, right?

nope, I think BJ is still the better team. Jefferson played THE WORST game I have seen them play all season. They also did not have Siiro. They were the better team in that game, and I did watch the game. It was the Nick Leddy Show, and he was by far the best skater on the ice. IMO, EP deserves credit for a solid win and I put them above Jefferson, but I put ONLY them above Jefferson.

Im not quite sure who you think is the new 2AA #1, but I am guessing Edina. I will reiterate, Edina is a fantastic hockey team, but Jefferson is the right team to beat them. If I were to pick a spoiler it would be Mattson and company, not the hornets to be honest.

HShockeywatcher, your nonsense got lucky this time, but I dont think it will happen again.

If you do call the section, I will be the first to buy you a case!

With BJ losing to EP, a team Edina beat twice, I would say it is now:
1. Edina
2. Bloomington Jefferson
3. Holy Angels

My prediction is Edina over Holy Angels in the final

gophermadman wrote:

HShockeywatcher wrote:Seems we have a new #1 team in section 2AA.

I think I can now satisfy others with my putting EP ahead of BJ, right?

nope, I think BJ is still the better team. Jefferson played THE WORST game I have seen them play all season. They also did not have Siiro. They were the better team in that game, and I did watch the game. It was the Nick Leddy Show, and he was by far the best skater on the ice. IMO, EP deserves credit for a solid win and I put them above Jefferson, but I put ONLY them above Jefferson.

Im not quite sure who you think is the new 2AA #1, but I am guessing Edina. I will reiterate, Edina is a fantastic hockey team, but Jefferson is the right team to beat them. If I were to pick a spoiler it would be Mattson and company, not the hornets to be honest.

HShockeywatcher, your nonsense got lucky this time, but I dont think it will happen again.

If you do call the section, I will be the first to buy you a case!

Jefferson is a deeper team than Edina. I am not so sure the skill is deeper. It is the attitude and faith that Lindquist has placed in his players that shows. Giles has shown primary fairth in his top line. In my opinion, that hurts any kind of swagger there could be for his other two lines.

Jags can beat the wasps by playing extremely physical. Jefferson is capable of that kind of game.

HShockeywatcher wrote:With BJ losing to EP, a team Edina beat twice, I would say it is now:
1. Edina
2. Bloomington Jefferson
3. Holy Angels

My prediction is Edina over Holy Angels in the final

If Edina takes out Hopkins with authority than the season side by side comparisons below may be worth something for making a case of Edina being #1.

CLASS 2A
RK (LAST) TEAM (RECORD)
1 (1) Bloomington Jefferson (19-0)Loss to EP 2-5
2 (2) Centennial (14-1) Beat Edina-loss to WBL
3 (3) Edina (16-3)loss to HM,MNTKA,CENT,HOP
4 (4) Eden Prairie (16-3)2 losses to Edina.
5 (5) Blaine (17-1)loss to Edina, and Elk River
6 (6) Duluth East (16-3)
7 (8) Minnetonka (14-5)won and loss to Edina
8 (7) Holy Angels (14-4)Loss to Edina 2-5 Schwann cup final
9 (9) Benilde-St. Margaret's (15-4)loss to Edina 2-6
10 (11) Woodbury (16-2) Loss to Edina 2-5
11 (10) Wayzata (12-6) Loss 3 times to Edina, 1-4, 0-7, 0-5
12 (12) Maple Grove (14-2)
13 (13) Hill-Murray (13-6)beat Edina, 3-1 BC
14 (14) Cretin-Derham Hall (12-6)
15 (15) White Bear Lake (11-8)

Class 2A Ranking Provided By: Let's Play Hockey

Edina has 10 wins against the latest Top 15 ranked schools.
Bloomington has 2 win against this group.

Edina also has wins against formerly ranked Elk River, Moorhead, Grand Rapids & Burnsville.


For section seeding, here are their similar opposition and results.

Edina 2-0 vs. EP 3-2 and 2-1. BJ - 1-1 vs. EP 2-1, 2-5
Edina 3-0 vs Wayz. 4-1,7-0,5-0 BJ - 1-0 vs. Wayz. 3-2
Edina 1-0 vs Moorhead. 3-0 BJ - 1-0 vs. Moorhead 4-3 OT
Edina 1-0 vs Grand Rap. 4-1 BJ - 1-0 vs. Grand Rap 7-0
Edina 1-0 vs Burns. 8-1 BJ - 2-0 vs. Burns. 4-2, 7-1

Thoughts, opinions?

Roseauverrated wrote:

HappyHockeyFan wrote:Here are my rankings, you can all chew on this one for awhile


#1 Edina
#2 Centennial
#3 Maple Grove
#4 Eden Prairie
#5 Jefferson
#6 Holy Angels
#7 Blaine
#8 Duluth East
#9 Woodbury
#10 Benilde SM

#11 Minnetonka
#12 Wayzata
#13 Hillmurray

Could you please explain why you have Minnetonka at #11 and Maple Grove at #3? Otherwise I mostly agree with your rankings except I might move around a few teams 1 or 2 places. I also believe Woodbury doesn't deserve to even be ranked.

Basically its a formula I use to determine the rankings based on overall schedule and then recent games won/lost and then overall signature wins/losses...this is what it came up with although I will agree that those two teams where they are look flawed but I stick by my formula, we'll see what happens the rest of the way

HappyHockeyFan wrote:

Roseauverrated wrote:

HappyHockeyFan wrote:Here are my rankings, you can all chew on this one for awhile


#1 Edina
#2 Centennial
#3 Maple Grove
#4 Eden Prairie
#5 Jefferson
#6 Holy Angels
#7 Blaine
#8 Duluth East
#9 Woodbury
#10 Benilde SM

#11 Minnetonka
#12 Wayzata
#13 Hillmurray

Could you please explain why you have Minnetonka at #11 and Maple Grove at #3? Otherwise I mostly agree with your rankings except I might move around a few teams 1 or 2 places. I also believe Woodbury doesn't deserve to even be ranked.

Basically its a formula I use to determine the rankings based on overall schedule and then recent games won/lost and then overall signature wins/losses...this is what it came up with although I will agree that those two teams where they are look flawed but I stick by my formula, we'll see what happens the rest of the way

I can't see how MG's overall schedule, recent W/L record nor 'signature' W/L record puts them 8 spots up on MHS.

Slap Shot wrote:

HappyHockeyFan wrote:

Roseauverrated wrote: Could you please explain why you have Minnetonka at #11 and Maple Grove at #3? Otherwise I mostly agree with your rankings except I might move around a few teams 1 or 2 places. I also believe Woodbury doesn't deserve to even be ranked.

Basically its a formula I use to determine the rankings based on overall schedule and then recent games won/lost and then overall signature wins/losses...this is what it came up with although I will agree that those two teams where they are look flawed but I stick by my formula, we'll see what happens the rest of the way

I can't see how MG's overall schedule, recent W/L record nor 'signature' W/L record puts them 8 spots up on MHS.

Agreed, there's definitely something screwed up with your formula.

For some comparison:

http://www.minnhock.com/strength.htm
http://www.minnhock.com/pagestat.htm
http://www.ushsho.com/mnrank.htm

Roseauverrated wrote:

Slap Shot wrote:

HappyHockeyFan wrote:Basically its a formula I use to determine the rankings based on overall schedule and then recent games won/lost and then overall signature wins/losses...this is what it came up with although I will agree that those two teams where they are look flawed but I stick by my formula, we'll see what happens the rest of the way

I can't see how MG's overall schedule, recent W/L record nor 'signature' W/L record puts them 8 spots up on MHS.

Agreed, there's definitely something screwed up with your formula.

Actually I dont think so, Minnetonka hasnt been able to beat most of the top quality teams they have played this season except the recent edina win, they have something like 6 or 7 losses to top teams, MG only has two losses to top teams and has recently beat Centennial...they way it works out is if MNTKA had won one or two of those games against top teams they would be ahead of or at least close to MG..the formula is fine and I think down the road it will prove itself worthy, there are still a few games left for things to take shape and really prove my formula...like I say I stick by it as it has worked well in past years

I think HappyHockeyFan is doing a fine job explaining him and his formula is just that, a formula. I have a question about it though; does it put heavier weight to more recent games? I won't deny Tonka's early losses, but as of late, they are playing really well, which is ultimately what matters. How they played at the beginning of the season doesn't necessarily matter now.

I'll bet there is a lot of weight in Happy's formula for where the ranker lives... I would venture a bet that Happy lives in Maple Grove...

Factsmatter1 wrote:I'll bet there is a lot of weight in Happy's formula for where the ranker lives... I would venture a bet that Happy lives in Maple Grove...

Well, his "location" does say Eagan...

Slap Shot wrote:For some comparison:

http://www.minnhock.com/strength.htm
http://www.minnhock.com/pagestat.htm
http://www.ushsho.com/mnrank.htm

The EP coach has alway lined up his team to play the top teams in the metro. Played Tonka, Hopkins, Edina two times, Elk River, Grand Rapids, Jefferson two time in the conference. Unfortunitely, the Lake contains too many teams in the conference to line up a non conference shedule. It would be interesting if some the Lake Conference teams could get some non conference games against Hill, Cennential, White Bear, Benilde, HA, Blaine, Maple Grove, Duluth East, but the High School prohibits no more than 25 games. Jefferson took this opportunity to play three No.Dakota teams to enhance their record. Section play should interesting.

HappyHockeyFan wrote: Actually I dont think so, Minnetonka hasnt been able to beat most of the top quality teams they have played this season except the recent edina win, they have something like 6 or 7 losses to top teams, MG only has two losses to top teams and has recently beat Centennial...they way it works out is if MNTKA had won one or two of those games against top teams they would be ahead of or at least close to MG..the formula is fine and I think down the road it will prove itself worthy, there are still a few games left for things to take shape and really prove my formula...like I say I stick by it as it has worked well in past years

How many games has MG played against the 'top quality' teams vs Minnetonka? My guess is not as many which skews that result. Two, did you count the Hopkins and AHA games as quality wins? Three, how do MHS and MGHS compare against like opponents if there are any? Four, the three links I provided all use mathematical formulas and all not only have MHS within 2-4 spots of MGHS, but ahead. When using your formula MHS easily matches MGHS for recent success and should beat them on SOS, so even if MHS has more losses against quality opponents it doesn't make sense that one comparison of 3 should put them that far behind.

Don't get me too wrong - I think it's cool that you've come up with your own concept and more power to you for giving it a shot. Just tossing in my $0.02 in.

Lakeviewing wrote:

Slap Shot wrote:For some comparison:

http://www.minnhock.com/strength.htm
http://www.minnhock.com/pagestat.htm
http://www.ushsho.com/mnrank.htm

The EP coach has alway lined up his team to play the top teams in the metro. Played Tonka, Hopkins, Edina two times, Elk River, Grand Rapids, Jefferson two time in the conference. Unfortunitely, the Lake contains too many teams in the conference to line up a non conference shedule. It would be interesting if some the Lake Conference teams could get some non conference games against Hill, Cennential, White Bear, Benilde, HA, Blaine, Maple Grove, Duluth East, but the High School prohibits no more than 25 games. Jefferson took this opportunity to play three No.Dakota teams to enhance their record. Section play should interesting.

I am an EP fan and always hated Jefferson so this is hard for me to say; But in Jefferson's defense, the 3 ND teams they played are in the top 5 in NoDak. And I like the fact that they put our state bragging rights on the line and whooped up on some of NoDak's best teams. The exposure EP has had to non conference teams is somewhat attributed to the Edina Tournament.

That said, I've seen Jefferson 2x this year and have been disappointed in their play both times. I put them in the 5 spot now.

1 Edina
2 Eden Prairie
3 Duluth East
4 Centennial
5 Jefferson
6 Tonka
7 Blaine
8 Maple Grove
9 Holy Angels
10 Elk River

Factsmatter1 wrote:I'll bet there is a lot of weight in Happy's formula for where the ranker lives... I would venture a bet that Happy lives in Maple Grove...

Actually not even close, I live in Eagan, but nice try

Slap Shot wrote:

HappyHockeyFan wrote: Actually I dont think so, Minnetonka hasnt been able to beat most of the top quality teams they have played this season except the recent edina win, they have something like 6 or 7 losses to top teams, MG only has two losses to top teams and has recently beat Centennial...they way it works out is if MNTKA had won one or two of those games against top teams they would be ahead of or at least close to MG..the formula is fine and I think down the road it will prove itself worthy, there are still a few games left for things to take shape and really prove my formula...like I say I stick by it as it has worked well in past years

How many games has MG played against the 'top quality' teams vs Minnetonka? My guess is not as many which skews that result. Two, did you count the Hopkins and AHA games as quality wins? Three, how do MHS and MGHS compare against like opponents if there are any? Four, the three links I provided all use mathematical formulas and all not only have MHS within 2-4 spots of MGHS, but ahead. When using your formula MHS easily matches MGHS for recent success and should beat them on SOS, so even if MHS has more losses against quality opponents it doesn't make sense that one comparison of 3 should put them that far behind.

Don't get me too wrong - I think it's cool that you've come up with your own concept and more power to you for giving it a shot. Just tossing in my $0.02 in.

It doesnt not matter that Tonka as played more games against quality competition its the fact that they have NOT won most of those games they have losses to Duluth East, St Thomas, Eden Prairie, Edina, BSM and Hopkins they have only beat Holy Angels and Edina and any team can have a bad night....take the Edina Victory, was that more solid play by Tonka or a bad night by Edina , I choose the later or maybe a combination. Overall MG has played stronger competition even though they have only played 3 top teams in Centennial twice and Blaine they have one win. Combined with that they only have Two losses both to Centennial and Blaine... They also beat Elk River Twice and Centennial lost to them last night. Like I said the rest of the season will tell the story, MG still has Blaine again...I believe my formula will prove true when the season is complete...I appreciate the discussion however as well as your opinions.

"Overall MG has played stronger competition..."

This comment might win, "The Most Preposterous Statement of 2009" award on the Common Man Show.

Roseauverrated wrote:

HappyHockeyFan wrote:Here are my rankings, you can all chew on this one for awhile


#1 Edina
#2 Centennial
#3 Maple Grove
#4 Eden Prairie
#5 Jefferson
#6 Holy Angels
#7 Blaine
#8 Duluth East
#9 Woodbury
#10 Benilde SM

#11 Minnetonka
#12 Wayzata
#13 Hillmurray

Could you please explain why you have Minnetonka at #11 and Maple Grove at #3? Otherwise I mostly agree with your rankings except I might move around a few teams 1 or 2 places. I also believe Woodbury doesn't deserve to even be ranked.

After taking in all of your points of view, I basically think you are all cracked. Obviously with my user name, I am a woodbury fan. I try to subjectively look at other teams to see where they truely stand as a competition team. Your saying that Woodbury not even deserving to be ranked is rediculous. I looked at Maple Groves season schedule, and that is rediculous. 17 of there games are fluff comp, and when they did play anybody even remotely good, they where 2-2-3 with one of those wins coming against a suspect Elk River team. What it will boil down to is the state tourney. come tourney time Maple Grove will not be there. Nor will Eagan. Woodbury is 19-2-2 if you dont want to rank them in any of your precious rankings, then don't. Maybe you can count on them to be the first team to post an upset on day 1 of the tourney.

Well besides CDH and WBL, Woodbury doesn't have many quality wins. I think they are a top 15 team, but I'm not so sure about top 10.

DotaDangler wrote:Well besides CDH and WBL, Woodbury doesn't have many quality wins. I think they are a top 15 team, but I'm not so sure about top 10.

With that being said, I agree with you. I just dont think that Maple Grove is in the same league. I would have liked to see Woodbury be mixed in with the rest of the top 10 more during the season. I do believe with the sections in the state tourney, that if Woodbury gets back to state for there third strait season, they will be the team that any of the top four will not want to face in the first round. If they make a higher statement and get through the first round with a win, they will be taken more seriously at the state level. do realize, that they are only graduating 5 seniors from this years team, and have 16 juniors mixed between the V & JV. they will be a viable contender next year as well.

SECBLUES wrote:

DotaDangler wrote:Well besides CDH and WBL, Woodbury doesn't have many quality wins. I think they are a top 15 team, but I'm not so sure about top 10.

With that being said, I agree with you. I just dont think that Maple Grove is in the same league. I would have liked to see Woodbury be mixed in with the rest of the top 10 more during the season. I do believe with the sections in the state tourney, that if Woodbury gets back to state for there third strait season, they will be the team that any of the top four will not want to face in the first round. If they make a higher statement and get through the first round with a win, they will be taken more seriously at the state level. do realize, that they are only graduating 5 seniors from this years team, and have 16 juniors mixed between the V & JV. they will be a viable contender next year as well.

What a homer, are you kidding me!! You say MG hasnt played anybody, look at Woodbury's schedule! They have the most suspect schedule of any team ranked! You talk about the first round of the State Tourney well you better hope they can get past a feisty Eagan team in sectionals first. I am glad you are proud of your team but take the beer goggles off and try to see this clearly.

HappyHockeyFan wrote:

SECBLUES wrote:

DotaDangler wrote:Well besides CDH and WBL, Woodbury doesn't have many quality wins. I think they are a top 15 team, but I'm not so sure about top 10.

With that being said, I agree with you. I just dont think that Maple Grove is in the same league. I would have liked to see Woodbury be mixed in with the rest of the top 10 more during the season. I do believe with the sections in the state tourney, that if Woodbury gets back to state for there third strait season, they will be the team that any of the top four will not want to face in the first round. If they make a higher statement and get through the first round with a win, they will be taken more seriously at the state level. do realize, that they are only graduating 5 seniors from this years team, and have 16 juniors mixed between the V & JV. they will be a viable contender next year as well.

What a homer, are you kidding me!! You say MG hasnt played anybody, look at Woodbury's schedule! They have the most suspect schedule of any team ranked! You talk about the first round of the State Tourney well you better hope they can get past a feisty Eagan team in sectionals first. I am glad you are proud of your team but take the beer goggles off and try to see this clearly.

I saw Eagan play in the SSP tournament. unless they have improved drastically, Creatin wil be the only competition in this section. Not to say that Woodbury cant be upset in the sectionals, but it wont be by Eagan.....

Woodbury does have its share of sluff teams in the SEC, but they dont play the likes of Osseo, north metro stars and Andover. please tell me that 17 of Maple Groves contests werent a joke. please look at thier schedule and and try to count less than 17.

A Bruegaard wrote:Woodbury does have its share of sluff teams in the SEC, but they dont play the likes of Osseo, north metro stars and Andover. please tell me that 17 of Maple Groves contests werent a joke. please look at thier schedule and and try to count less than 17.

If I am so wrong about MG then explain to me why Lets Play Hockey has MG ranked #5 this week and Minnetonka #7. As for Eagan you see one game and decide a team sucks, WOW! So apparently then Edina sucks too because they lost 4 - 1 to Tonka. Give me a break! I am not predicting Eagan beating Woodbury in the sectionals but Eagan and Woodbury are much closer than you think and it wouldnt be that big an upset. Regardless of who goes neither team will make much noise in the tourney anyway.