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Posted: **Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:30 pm**

319 wrote:
Dirty Dangler wrote:
givememoorehead wrote:what about that grant spanier kid hes quick

That kid gots game.
Grant is a very good player. Speed, skill and determination are developing nicely. He needs to grow a little to be a top prospect. (IMO)
I like watching him play.

thanks man

Posted: **Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:11 pm**

nsideHocKey17 wrote:I think apollo was the best team in the tournement they jus let down the last gamee.

Best team at penalties is what I think he meant?
33 penalties for 75 minutes and a Game DQ in 180 minutes of hockey that weekend.

Rogers was the best in the ref’s whistle eye's with 7 penalties for 14 minutes.

Kind of funny how all the top team bracket won the final games?
Would it fair to say that the top was the tougher bracket?

Posted: **Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:13 pm**

ya they didnt try against bismark.

Posted: **Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:14 pm**

Stealth wrote:Rogers was the best in the ref’s whistle eye's with 7 penalties for 14 minutes.

And I suppose we get the consolation prize for that

Posted: **Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:15 pm**

I do agree that spanier has the determination but in high school hockey that will not be enough. IMO he is a good player but will never be able to achieve the status of a great player because he lacks size and strength.

Posted: **Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:50 pm**

Posted: **Wed Jan 02, 2008 4:09 pm**

[gspan] wrote: size doesn't mean crap.

Sure does, especially when you add strength and speed to it, which is what most of the top players have.
It's a point of separation, smaller players can rarely overcome.

Posted: **Wed Jan 02, 2008 4:14 pm**

[gspan] wrote:size doesn't mean crap.

Size means something to a lot of people. More for d-men than forwards...

A pretty solid example.

Matt Crandell of the Sioux City Musketeers. Damn good player. Turning in his second solid USHL season.

3rd in the USHL in plus/minus for d-men.

7th in the USHL in points for d-men.

As far as I know, no top-end D-1 offers as of yet. Why? Size.

Posted: **Wed Jan 02, 2008 6:15 pm**

George Blanda wrote:
[gspan] wrote:size doesn't mean crap.
Size means something to a lot of people. More for d-men than forwards...

A pretty solid example.

Matt Crandell of the Sioux City Musketeers. Damn good player. Turning in his second solid USHL season.

3rd in the USHL in plus/minus for d-men.

7th in the USHL in points for d-men.

As far as I know, no top-end D-1 offers as of yet. Why? Size.

The Musketeers have Crandell listed at 5'10" and 190 pounds. Thats not exactly small. What is Ness? Heisenberg has him listed at 5'9" and 155 lbs. Also Chris Student is 5'9" and 160 lbs.

How did Carlisle from SCSU get recruited? He CANT be more then 5'8".

Posted: **Wed Jan 02, 2008 6:32 pm**

What about Rabouin (sp?) for SCSU or Swanson, who is about 170. Then there are guys in the NHL on the blueline who aren't that big as well, like Keith Ballard of Phoenix. They don't come much more solid in play or in toughness than that kid.

In general size is a factor, better big than small as long as all the skills are there, but there will always be a place in hockey for smaller guys (relatively speaking), who play tough, play bigger than they are and have good skills.

Posted: **Wed Jan 02, 2008 6:50 pm**

zippitydoda wrote:What about Rabouin (sp?) for SCSU or Swanson, who is about 170. Then there are guys in the NHL on the blueline who aren't that big as well, like Keith Ballard of Phoenix. They don't come much more solid in play or in toughness than that kid.

In general size is a factor, better big than small as long as all the skills are there, but there will always be a place in hockey for smaller guys (relatively speaking), who play tough, play bigger than they are and have good skills.

Raboin, just for future reference.

Posted: **Wed Jan 02, 2008 7:05 pm**

You guys did find some smaller defensemen that have made it to a D-1 team. Motzko likes getting offensive defensemen that are smaller.

If you're good enough, like Ness, size doesn't matter. He's an exceptional talent. Ballard is 5'11". Not small, not big.

Smaller D are coming in to the NHL with the new rules...but there aren't that many 5'10" or smaller D in the NHL. I'd say less than 15 D in the NHL are 5'10" or smaller.

Posted: **Wed Jan 02, 2008 7:59 pm**

George Blanda wrote:You guys did find some smaller defensemen that have made it to a D-1 team. Motzko likes getting offensive defensemen that are smaller.

If you're good enough, like Ness, size doesn't matter. He's an exceptional talent. Ballard is 5'11". Not small, not big.

Smaller D are coming in to the NHL with the new rules...but there aren't that many 5'10" or smaller D in the NHL. I'd say less than 15 D in the NHL are 5'10" or smaller.

Is that with the extra inch or two they give you to pad your stats?

It makes you wonder alittle what could have been, if Matt had stayed and helped the Crusaders make it to state. I think he would have put them over the edge.

Posted: **Wed Jan 02, 2008 9:12 pm**

RLStars wrote:
George Blanda wrote:
[gspan] wrote:size doesn't mean crap.
Size means something to a lot of people. More for d-men than forwards...

A pretty solid example.

Matt Crandell of the Sioux City Musketeers. Damn good player. Turning in his second solid USHL season.

3rd in the USHL in plus/minus for d-men.

7th in the USHL in points for d-men.

you must be buddies with oldtimer then?
ha i love matt though, i play travel soccer in the summer with him

Posted: **Wed Jan 02, 2008 9:14 pm**

and alright, maybe size matters a bit

it's more fun being a small guy playing out there though

Posted: **Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:34 pm**

ya they didnt try against bismark.

Would you please do all of us the favor of refraining from making these stupid unintelligent remarks about Apollo. We all know you play for Apollo and all of us have our own little high school pride but honestly get the picture. Apollo is not as good as you have them cracked up to be. So with that being said, please make educated opinions with a little factual information to back up your opinions and not just completly stupid ones.

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Posted: **Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:38 pm**

Donkey9 wrote:
ya they didnt try against bismark.
Would you please do all of us the favor of refraining from making these stupid unintelligent remarks about Apollo. We all know you play for Apollo and all of us have our own little high school pride but honestly get the picture. Apollo is not as good as you have them cracked up to be. So with that being said, please make educated opinions with a little factual information to back up your opinions and not just completly stupid ones.

your name is donkey.

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Posted: **Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:41 pm**

i can almost feel the tension!

or maybe that's just the spacebar...

Posted: **Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:24 am**

nsideHocKey17

Donkey9 wrote:
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ya they didnt try against bismark.

Would you please do all of us the favor of refraining from making these stupid unintelligent remarks about Apollo. We all know you play for Apollo and all of us have our own little high school pride but honestly get the picture. Apollo is not as good as you have them cracked up to be. So with that being said, please make educated opinions with a little factual information to back up your opinions and not just completly stupid ones.

your name is donkey.

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My name may be donkey, but your the ass (refering to a stubborn mule) that forgot to close the quote brackets before trying to take a stab at me. Well played though.

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