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Regarding "recruiting," the new MSHSL transfer rule requires a physical change in residence to transfer to another school, public or private, unless done before the beginning of 9th grade, with certain other exceptions not likely to happen often. Otherwise, the player has to sit out a year of varsity competition (can compete at JV level). This rule will force the choices to be made much earlier than under the old rules, or require a major committment including a physical move. Next year is the first full year of application of the rule, so it will be interesting to see how much of a difference it will make.

gmailer wrote:Regarding "recruiting," the new MSHSL transfer rule requires a physical change in residence to transfer to another school, public or private, unless done before the beginning of 9th grade, with certain other exceptions not likely to happen often. Otherwise, the player has to sit out a year of varsity competition (can compete at JV level). This rule will force the choices to be made much earlier than under the old rules, or require a major committment including a physical move. Next year is the first full year of application of the rule, so it will be interesting to see how much of a difference it will make.

Is there anywhere on the MSHSL site that states this rule clearly because I have money on it and with all due respect I can't say some guy on the forums said this is the rule and then ask for my money.

komada77 wrote:

gmailer wrote:Regarding "recruiting," the new MSHSL transfer rule requires a physical change in residence to transfer to another school, public or private, unless done before the beginning of 9th grade, with certain other exceptions not likely to happen often. Otherwise, the player has to sit out a year of varsity competition (can compete at JV level). This rule will force the choices to be made much earlier than under the old rules, or require a major committment including a physical move. Next year is the first full year of application of the rule, so it will be interesting to see how much of a difference it will make.

Is there anywhere on the MSHSL site that states this rule clearly because I have money on it and with all due respect I can't say some guy on the forums said this is the rule and then ask for my money.

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This is the rule.
19. TRANSFER RULE — Bylaw 111
A. A transfer student is eligible for varsity competition provided the student was in good standing on the date of withdrawal from the last school the student attended and one (1) of the provisions in Section B (below) is met.
B. A transfer student is eligible for varsity competition if:
1. 9th Grade Option: The student is enrolling in 9th grade for the first time.

2. Family Residence Change: the student transfers from one public school district attendance area to another public school district attendance area at any time during the calendar year in which there is a change of residence and occupancy in Minnesota by the student’s parents. If the student’s parents move from one public school district attendance area to another public school district attendance area, the student will be eligible in the new public school attendance area or a non-public school if the student transfers at the same time the student’s parents move.
If the parents move from one public school district attendance area to another, the student shall continue to be fully eligible if the student continues enrollment in the prior school for the balance of the current marking period or for the balance of the academic school year. If the student elects either of the current enrollment options above, the student will be fully eligible upon transfer to the new school.
A student who elects not to transfer upon a parent’s change in residence shall continue to be eligible at the school in which the student is currently enrolled.

3. Court Ordered Residence Change for Child Protection: the student’s residence is changed pursuant to a child protection order placement in a foster home, or a juvenile court disposition order.

4. Custody of Student: a student of legally divorced parents who have joint physical custody of the student may move from one custodial parent to the other custodial parent and be fully eligible at the time of the move. The student may utilize this provision only one time during grades 9-12 inclusive.

5. Move from Out of State: if a student’s parents move to Minnesota from a state or country outside of Minnesota and if the student moves at the same time the parent establishes a residence in a Minnesota public school district attendance area, the student shall be eligible at the first school the student attends in Minnesota.

6. Enrollment Options Program: a student who utilizes Minnesota Statute 124D.03 Enrollment Options Programs, and transfers without a corresponding change of residence by the student’s parents shall elect one of the following:
a. retain full eligibility for varsity competition for one (1) calendar year at the school where the student was enrolled prior to the transfer after which time the student shall become fully eligible at the school to which the student has open enrolled; or
b. be eligible only at the non-varsity level in the school to which the student has open enrolled for one (1) calendar year.

C. If none of the provisions in Section 2 (above) are met, the student is ineligible for varsity competition for a period of one (1) calendar year beginning with the first day of attendance in the new school.
1. Students are immediately eligible for competition at the non-varsity level.
2. A student may not obtain eligibility as a result of a transfer. If at the time of transfer the student was not fully eligible in the previous school, the student shall be ineligible in the new school. A student who was not in good standing at the time of transfer shall be ineligible until the penalty from the previous school has been served.
3. Each time a student transfers and the conditions of the transfer do not meet any of the provisions of Bylaw 111.2.A., the student will be ineligible for varsity competition for a period of one (1) calendar year beginning with the first day of attendance at the new school. For example, if a student, while serving a one-year transfer suspension, transfers to another school and none of the provisions of Bylaw 111.2.A. are met, an additional one-year suspension will be applied. The student will begin serving the additional one-year suspension immediately following the completion of the previous one-year suspension.




Heres the link.

http://www.mshsl.org/mshsl/publications.asp#2 Athletic Eligibility.

That's funny!

Can't Never Tried wrote:That's funny!

Yea, you have the old rule!

Neutron 14 wrote:

Can't Never Tried wrote:That's funny!

Yea, you have the old rule!

I removed it wouldn't want to get folks all worked up with the old rule!



http://www.mshsl.org/mshsl/publications.asp#2

So maybe this link should be the sticky!

gmailer wrote:Regarding "recruiting," the new MSHSL transfer rule requires a physical change in residence to transfer to another school, public or private, unless done before the beginning of 9th grade, with certain other exceptions not likely to happen often. Otherwise, the player has to sit out a year of varsity competition (can compete at JV level). This rule will force the choices to be made much earlier than under the old rules, or require a major committment including a physical move. Next year is the first full year of application of the rule, so it will be interesting to see how much of a difference it will make.

You have two seperate issues here. One you have recruiting someone to come and play a sport at a certain school and two - you have transfers. You have the transfer rule correct and I know that Richfield had one of those "certain other excpetions" on their team. He was a nice pick up. Remember that a physical change can be next door or down the street.

Zamman wrote:

gmailer wrote:Regarding "recruiting," the new MSHSL transfer rule requires a physical change in residence to transfer to another school, public or private, unless done before the beginning of 9th grade, with certain other exceptions not likely to happen often. Otherwise, the player has to sit out a year of varsity competition (can compete at JV level). This rule will force the choices to be made much earlier than under the old rules, or require a major committment including a physical move. Next year is the first full year of application of the rule, so it will be interesting to see how much of a difference it will make.

You have two seperate issues here. One you have recruiting someone to come and play a sport at a certain school and two - you have transfers. You have the transfer rule correct and I know that Richfield had one of those "certain other excpetions" on their team. He was a nice pick up. Remember that a physical change can be next door or down the street.

This is a major loophole in the new transfer policy that I'm guessing someone will challenge and win.

How about this for a loophole, Say you are heading into your Jr year at your public high school. You get word that your local private school has an opening, they send you a letter asking if you are still interested in attending the school based on the fact you applied for attending the school as a freshmen. You will not lose a year of eligibility based on the fact they are going by your 9th grade application as the date you applied to the school. IE- before March 30th 2007.

Bottom line is that if a family really wants their child to attend a specific school, for whatever reasons, it can/will be done. The MSHSL just put up a few more hurdles for families to jump over, but those determined to make the change, will jump those hurdles.

Pucknutz69 wrote:How about this for a loophole, Say you are heading into your Jr year at your public high school. You get word that your local private school has an opening, they send you a letter asking if you are still interested in attending the school based on the fact you applied for attending the school as a freshmen. You will not lose a year of eligibility based on the fact they are going by your 9th grade application as the date you applied to the school. IE- before March 30th 2007.

Whats wrong with that?

Pucknutz69 wrote:How about this for a loophole, Say you are heading into your Jr year at your public high school. You get word that your local private school has an opening, they send you a letter asking if you are still interested in attending the school based on the fact you applied for attending the school as a freshmen. You will not lose a year of eligibility based on the fact they are going by your 9th grade application as the date you applied to the school. IE- before March 30th 2007.

You would need to be actually enrolled at the school and attending to not be considered a transfer

I am not saying there is anything wrong with it, just brought up an example of what can/will and has happened already. So it will go like this little Johnny at Woodbury "applies" to Hill as a 7th grader declines but when he is a 10th or 11th grade he can apply again and move with no penalty.

Pucknutz69 wrote:I am not saying there is anything wrong with it, just brought up an example of what can/will and has happened already. So it will go like this little Johnny at Woodbury "applies" to Hill as a 7th grader declines but when he is a 10th or 11th grade he can apply again and move with no penalty.

Where does it say you only have to apply and not enroll?

Little Johnny could not apply to Hill, or any other school, as a sventh grader and then come in as a sophomore, junior or senior without sitting out a year, unless there is a physical change of address. It is not the date of application that matters, but the actual date of enrollment. I worked with teh high school leagus on the tranfer rule and can tell you or a fact that this is the case.

sllek wrote:I worked with teh high school leagus on the tranfer rule and can tell you or a fact that this is the case.

Glad you had the rule proofed before it was published.

cripes hill lost to a Rochester section 1 team the year before... where was all this pissing and moaning then?

you haters are silly silly silly....

People who type like do are the reason we have secretaries and proofreaders.

sllek wrote:Little Johnny could not apply to Hill, or any other school, as a sventh grader and then come in as a sophomore, junior or senior without sitting out a year, unless there is a physical change of address. It is not the date of application that matters, but the actual date of enrollment. I worked with teh high school leagus on the tranfer rule and can tell you or a fact that this is the case.

That makes sense.

A kid can transfer from school A to school B and still play for school A while he goes to B but he cant transfer to a school he originally applied to but didnt get admitted to unless he sits a year.

Thanks for all of your work on the rule sllek, its now a much better world.

Hey, here's an idea. Unless you & your parents actually move to a different school district, play the hand you were dealt. Stay with the school and/or program where you're at. Highschool athletes weren't meant to be mercanaries.

I'm not hearing this Mr. Dolen guy complain about Wolter going to White Bear... And besides, after watching Hill lay a 7-1 beat down on Mounds View in sections, I can't see players who want to leave reconsidering staying.

GR3343 wrote:Hey, here's an idea. Unless you & your parents actually move to a different school district, play the hand you were dealt. Stay with the school and/or program where you're at. Highschool athletes weren't meant to be mercanaries.

Its a good idea and something we should promote and a lot of people are in favor of it.

But lets make up our minds. Right now, its absolutely OK fine to switch schools any time you like but if you do, you cant play sports.

I say either we have open enrollment or we dont. If its OK to open enroll or transfer, then it ought to be OK for all purposes.

This new rule is nothng but hypocrisy and puts an overly high emphasis on sports and the 'competetive balance' that nobody should give a flip about because its just high school.

We criticise parents for placing too much emphahsis on Johnny's athletics and then we enact a rule against those parents that does precisely that.

Foobar.

packerboy wrote:

GR3343 wrote:Hey, here's an idea. Unless you & your parents actually move to a different school district, play the hand you were dealt. Stay with the school and/or program where you're at. Highschool athletes weren't meant to be mercanaries.

Its a good idea and something we should promote and a lot of people are in favor of it.

But lets make up our minds. Right now, its absolutely OK fine to switch schools any time you like but if you do, you cant play sports.

I say either we have open enrollment or we dont. If its OK to open enroll or transfer, then it ought to be OK for all purposes.

This new rule is nothng but hypocrisy and puts an overly high emphasis on sports and the 'competetive balnce' that nobody should give a flip about because its just high school.

We criticise people for placing too much emphahsis on Johnny's athletics and then we enact a rule against those people that does precisely that.

Foobar.

In prior years I'd jump in here, but currently see no need!

The bored hate you if you are good, and anyone north of Hill-Murray will always whine.

However, you don't see many Hornet fans calling the Pioneers a bunch of thugs. I guess they have more class in Edina than Roseau.

Calling Hill dirty would have been a perfectly tailored excuse for all those analysts, too, who unanimously were predicting and pulling for an Edina-Roseau final, but instead, the Pioneers won over Nanne and company with Hill-Murray's play.

Even though the calls and missed calls went the Rams way, did you know that Roseau still was the most penalty-prone team in the tourney?

So were the thugs really wearing black... or white?

I will go through the game a shift at a time and give you the objective answer.