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I just looking at the development as every boy goes through not talent lord knows these guys have a heck of alot of talent. I am looking at the development to manhood. You stand a 17-18 year old kid that has left early to juniors next to a kid that has played out his high school eligiblity then moved on to juniors at 19, played two years there and then to the college level where he could possibly play 4 years, so now he is at 23 entering the nhl (if he makes it) and at that point compare him to the kid physically he is 2-3 years older and entering at a rookie level, and at this point in a young mans life, remember the changes we went through from ages 18 to 21, boy turns into man. Plus the fact that I want my kid around as long as I can have him or her.

2nd string wrote:I just looking at the development as every boy goes through not talent lord knows these guys have a heck of alot of talent. I am looking at the development to manhood. You stand a 17-18 year old kid that has left early to juniors next to a kid that has played out his high school eligiblity then moved on to juniors at 19, played two years there and then to the college level where he could possibly play 4 years, so now he is at 23 entering the nhl (if he makes it) and at that point compare him to the kid physically he is 2-3 years older and entering at a rookie level, and at this point in a young mans life, remember the changes we went through from ages 18 to 21, boy turns into man. Plus the fact that I want my kid around as long as I can have him or her.

Not every kid develops at the same rate. Plus, it would be a disservice to hold your kid back for selfish reasons. Every kid should have the flexibility to choose, with the guidance of those adults around him, to make the best decision to maximize education, development, and maturity potential. To say a one size fits all approach is the best is a bit naive.

td577 wrote:

2nd string wrote:I just looking at the development as every boy goes through not talent lord knows these guys have a heck of alot of talent. I am looking at the development to manhood. You stand a 17-18 year old kid that has left early to juniors next to a kid that has played out his high school eligiblity then moved on to juniors at 19, played two years there and then to the college level where he could possibly play 4 years, so now he is at 23 entering the nhl (if he makes it) and at that point compare him to the kid physically he is 2-3 years older and entering at a rookie level, and at this point in a young mans life, remember the changes we went through from ages 18 to 21, boy turns into man. Plus the fact that I want my kid around as long as I can have him or her.

Not every kid develops at the same rate. Plus, it would be a disservice to hold your kid back for selfish reasons. Every kid should have the flexibility to choose, with the guidance of those adults around him, to make the best decision to maximize education, development, and maturity potential. To say a one size fits all approach is the best is a bit naive.

But you contradict yourself td577. You say that every kid develops differently but you then say it would be a disservice to "hold him back" .

You dont know how he is going to develop so you dont know if playing another year of HS is holding him back.

IMO, if the player is really good, it aint gonna matter....especially by age 23. What some kid did when he was 17 wont mean squat when he is 23, so long as he plays.

packerboy wrote:

td577 wrote:

2nd string wrote:I just looking at the development as every boy goes through not talent lord knows these guys have a heck of alot of talent. I am looking at the development to manhood. You stand a 17-18 year old kid that has left early to juniors next to a kid that has played out his high school eligiblity then moved on to juniors at 19, played two years there and then to the college level where he could possibly play 4 years, so now he is at 23 entering the nhl (if he makes it) and at that point compare him to the kid physically he is 2-3 years older and entering at a rookie level, and at this point in a young mans life, remember the changes we went through from ages 18 to 21, boy turns into man. Plus the fact that I want my kid around as long as I can have him or her.

Not every kid develops at the same rate. Plus, it would be a disservice to hold your kid back for selfish reasons. Every kid should have the flexibility to choose, with the guidance of those adults around him, to make the best decision to maximize education, development, and maturity potential. To say a one size fits all approach is the best is a bit naive.

But you contradict yourself td577. You say that every kid develops differently but you then say it would be a disservice to "hold him back" .

You dont know how he is going to develop so you dont know if playing another year of HS is holding him back.

IMO, if the player is really good, it aint gonna matter....especially by age 23. What some kid did when he was 17 wont mean squat when he is 23, so long as he plays.

I didn't contradict myself, you took part of the sentence and lost the context; which was a response to the post I quoted.

Since you completely lost the message, I will try this again. Each person should be, and can under MSHSL guidelines, allowed to individualize their education plan. With proper guidance from parents, educators, and coaches each student or student/athlete can make the decision to take advantage of any course of action which meets their individual needs.

You take a case like Aaron Ness and it is quite obvious this decision required steps to be taken to allow for his early graduation. He needed support from his parents, his school, his coaches, and the University of Minnesota. The NCAA clearinghouse has very strict requirements for participation in NCAA athletics. This portion of the process alone would require intense support from all those above mentioned entities. To some, it would have been quite easier for him to finish high school, so I have no doubt the decision was made very carefully, deliberately, and sensitive to what is best for Aaron Ness. I am sure the Lee family went through a similar process deciding whether the USHL would maximize his future hockey career.

Whether you or I agree with these moves is really a non-issue. The process is difficult enough the decision can not be made without serious considerations of how it serves the individual. Now we are back to each individual person making the best decision for their future.

I dont give a rip what people do and they can choose whatever path they want.

I have never criticised any decision nor have I deemed it 'right" or "wrong".

All I have said is that anybody who says that playing the senior year of high school is a waste of time, is full of it.

Also, all of the talk about how it is sooo much better to leave high school is a lot more speculation than gospel...especially long term.

watchdog wrote:lets just flip it around is ness gona be better prepared to start an nhl career after playing with the gophers? (without a dought) is lee gona be better prepaired to start at st. cloud next season after playing a year in fargo? (without a dought) packerboy step out of the 90's and into the current decade for ahwile....

There is always a doubt.

packerboy wrote:I dont give a rip what people do and they can choose whatever path they want.

I have never criticised any decision nor have I deemed it 'right" or "wrong".

All I have said is that anybody who says that playing the senior year of high school is a waste of time, is full of it.

Also, all of the talk about how it is sooo much better to leave high school is a lot more speculation than gospel...especially long term.

AND
the non-hockey considerations are worth a ton.

Does this thread still have anything to do with the Roseau Rams?

Can tell it's an election year....