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Very nice joe, thanks

Again Joe you show that you're the hardest working guy on the forum. Thank you!

And also thank you for never getting negative and keeping in mind that we are adults discussing kids playing a game. We all have to step back sometimes and remind ourselves that hockey is not life and death, eh? You always come in on the positive side of the discussion and you should be commended for that.

joehockey wrote:Section Breakouts U17
1 - 7 players
2 - 4
3 - 5
4 - 14
5 - 9
6 - 6
7 - 5
8 - 4

Recast with position, schools and section

Blue Team
6 Ellie Mata D Moundsview 3
12 Maddie Bergh D BSM 6
13 Maddie Marcotte D WBL 4
14 Maggie Pendleton D Hill Murray 4
16 Morgan Illikainen D GRG 7
61 Rose Alleva D Red Wing 1
1 Amanda Cartony F Stillwater 4
2 Bethany Brausen F Roseville 4
4 Corinne Buie F Edina 2
5 Dana Gallop F GRG 7
7 Hillary Crowe F Blake 5
8 Jenessa Philipczyk F Stillwater 4
9 Jocie Slattery F Centennial 5
10 Kaitlin Mason F Eagan 3
15 Marissa Brandt F Hill Murray 4
11 Katie Batters F Champlin Park 5
3 Chelsea Laden G Lakeville So 1
62 Sarrah Gustafson G CEC 7

Red Team
22 Allie Duellman D Roseville 4
23 Danielle Williams D Throughbreds 5
25 Francie Piche D E. Grand Forks 8
32 Megan Dalbec D Champlin Park 5
35 Melissa Borer D BSM 6
30 Kelly Thotland D Edina 2
21 Abbie Lund F Blake 5
24 Emily Kleidon F Breck 5
26 Jennifer Saxon F Wayzata 6
27 Jordyn Burns F BSM 6
29 Kathleen Rogan F Shattuck 1
31 Kristina King F Stillwater 4
33 Megan Foley F Roseau 8
34 Meghan Lorence F Irondale 5
36 Melissa Doyle F Hill Murray 4
64 Rachael Kelly F Rosemount 3
28 Kallie Billadeau G Hopkins 6
63 Paige Turner G Duluth 7

White Team
45 Brooke Bartelt D New Prague 2
48 Katie Erickson D Elk River 8
52 Madison Marzario D Shattuck 1
65 Stephanie Hatcher D Lakeville North 1
44 Audrey Hanmer D Forest Lake 7
55 Rachel Ramsey D Minnetonka 2
41 Amanda Colin F Burnsville 3
42 Amy Olson F Roseau 8
43 Ashley Bye F Irondale 5
46 Cassandra Salmen F Stillwater 4
47 Emily Snodgrass F Eastview 3
49 Kayla Capistrant F Roseville 4
51 Lisa Turri F Stillwater 4
53 Mary Grace Flesher F Rochester Mayo 1
54 Morgan Johnson F WBL 4
56 Stephanie Anderson F Throughbreds 4
50 Lauren Joarnt G Shattuck 1
66 Tiana Press G BSM 6

Joe, Joe, Joe.

Morgan Johnson from WBL made it through sec 8. I thought you measured twice and cut once. Just kidding of course. You are the man!

Melvin sorry for the confusion...yes I just listed school and actual section - probably would have others say no she isn't from secion 8 she is from sec 4.......

Morgan Johnson is a great story wasn't kept on the Section 4 team as there were a lot of very good forwards but like about 4 other forwards in Section 4 was assigned to other Sections that were short. Hats off to her in not getting down but rather going out and showing her best game to the evaluators in Phase II and getting a chance to show more in Phase III. It probably shows again that talent is recognized but sometimes it is in the eye of the evaluator and there can be differences in opinions and certainly players compete differently in a tryout like Phase I (skill and scrimmages) versus the game situations offered in Phase II.

Good luck to all - should be great hockey.

So Phase III started last night in Plymouth for the U16 and U17 with fast paced practices that were scored by evaluators - lots of flow drills and small games - pace was very good and there is a lot of hockey talent competing. It is interesting to walk from the U16 practices to the U17 - one year does make a ton of difference in regards to strength and speed!

There are 54 girls trying out at U17 they were told by their coaches 4 D out of 18 D and 5 F out of 30 trying out and 1 G out of 6 will be selected to National Camp at U17 this is down from last year when MN sent 5 D (+ 1 At Large D named later) and 8 F (+ 2 At Large F named later) and 1 G. This is a talented class, from this group 7 D, 12 F and 1 G went to National Camp last year at the U16.

Ben Smith from USA Hockey and the past Olympic Coach was at the Arena last night and was watching and scoring the practices in his ever present notebook - he was not a part of the MN Evaluation but he was taking notes.

Here is the schedule of games (no four hour rule in effect here so quick recovery will be required especially with the games on Rink A the large Olympic Sheet):

Saturday, April 18, 2009-Scrimmages
Red vs White 8:00 AM to 9:30 AM Rink C
Red vs Blue 11:30 AM to 1:00 PM Rink A
Blue vs White 3:00 PM to 4:30 PM Rink A

Sunday, April 19, 2009-Cross-Over Games
16 Red vs. 17 White 8:15 AM to 10:15 AM Rink B
16 White vs. 17 Blue 10: 30 AM to 12:30 PM Rink B
16 Blue vs. 17 Red 12:45 PM to 2:45 PM Rink B

All events take place at:
Plymouth Ice Center
3650 Plymouth Blvd
Plymouth, MN 55446

U17 Scores - Great action today tight play. There were a few stands outs but it will be tough to really select unless there is more seperation tomorrow.

Saturday, April 18, 2009-Scrimmages
Red 4 vs White 3
Red 5 vs Blue 3
Blue 4 vs White 5


Sunday, April 19, 2009-Cross-Over Games
16 Red vs. 17 White 8:15 AM to 10:15 AM Rink B
16 White vs. 17 Blue 10: 30 AM to 12:30 PM Rink B
16 Blue vs. 17 Red 12:45 PM to 2:45 PM Rink B

Sunday, April 19, 2009-Cross-Over Games

16 Red 8 - 17 White 6 (upset for the 16's!)
16 White 5 - 17 Blue 8

Left as this game was strating:

16 Blue vs. 17 Red 12:45 PM to 2:45 PM Rink B

Any one catch the final game today U16 - U17 Game?

I don't know if anyone has predictions at the U16 or U17 for who looked good - I thought play was very good but narrow range.

I only watched the White U16 this morning versus Blue U17 but thought Marvin, Sylvestor and Kuehl all looked very good as forwards.

I heard selection results could be out as soon as mid-week?

joehockey wrote:Any one catch the final game today U16 - U17 Game?

I don't know if anyone has predictions at the U16 or U17 for who looked good - I thought play was very good but narrow range.

I only watched the White U16 this morning versus Blue U17 but thought Marvin, Sylvestor and Kuehl all looked very good as forwards.

I heard selection results could be out as soon as mid-week?

The last U16- U17 game the U17 won but the score did not define the game. For the most part I thought the U16 team looked like they dominated most of the game.

I would have to disagree about the last game. At the beginning, the game was pretty even. But, the 17's were stronger and only towards the end the 16's came on strong. The last 5 minutes of the game the 17's controlled the puck and the game. The 16's had one strong offensive line that seemed to play very well.

joehockey wrote:Any one catch the final game today U16 - U17 Game?

I don't know if anyone has predictions at the U16 or U17 for who looked good - I thought play was very good but narrow range.

I only watched the White U16 this morning versus Blue U17 but thought Marvin, Sylvestor and Kuehl all looked very good as forwards.

I heard selection results could be out as soon as mid-week?

Whoa the same old comments for the same old group. The 16 Red totally dominated the tournament. You could take all but one line of forwards and D and call good to represent MN. At most one of the above should make the next level based on the Phases gone bye. It will be a tough decision for the evaluators to go "outside the box" and make the right decision on players. Attitude, Athletisism, Grades, Hockey Sense, Locker Room Presence, Coach Ability, and Size are the determining factors to make it to the next level - enough said...i love this sport - the "Greatest Game" of them all!!!!!!!!!

greenbandit wrote:

joehockey wrote:Any one catch the final game today U16 - U17 Game?

I don't know if anyone has predictions at the U16 or U17 for who looked good - I thought play was very good but narrow range.

I only watched the White U16 this morning versus Blue U17 but thought Marvin, Sylvestor and Kuehl all looked very good as forwards.

I heard selection results could be out as soon as mid-week?

Whoa the same old comments for the same old group. The 16 Red totally dominated the tournament. You could take all but one line of forwards and D and call good to represent MN. At most one of the above should make the next level based on the Phases gone bye. It will be a tough decision for the evaluators to go "outside the box" and make the right decision on players. Attitude, Athletisism, Grades, Hockey Sense, Locker Room Presence, Coach Ability, and Size are the determining factors to make it to the next level - enough said...i love this sport - the "Greatest Game" of them all!!!!!!!!!

You have to take some parents for what the are, they moved there daughter to 3 different schools to find someplace where the sucking up will do the most good, they shamelessly push the same group of girls everywhere they go, whatever their kid is in is the best program ever, and no one except those from the chosen group will ever be good enough. When their kid graduates these pillers of the hockey communitty mysteriously dissapear. My daughter is going into 9th grade and was all set to go to Hill Murray until we spoke with the coach. I have never met someone who placed such High importance on sucking up as this clown and I can now see why Joe Hockey feels it's so necessary!!!!

From the College Board Thread:USA Hockey District Selections / National Camps 2009 http://board.uscho.com/showthread.php?t=83950

It's my understanding that USAH has changed the U16 and U17 selection process for goalies this year. Historically, the districts have had a fixed number of slots (like F&D do) for goalies. This year the districts will send in their evaluations for goalies to USAH and they will choose the goalies based on some national rank criteria. Goalies will be notified in June when all district camps have concluded. U14 & U15 goalie selection will remain at the district level.

Does anyone have any other insight to this process?

Not sure if this was discussed this weekend at Phase III if so could be good for MN goalies!

I found the same info on USCHO thread and came here looking for clarification. Was there any info given to goalies/parents regarding this "delay" in Plymouth?

From a parent who had a goalie playing at Plymouth this weekend:

The goalies were told that the evaluators would 'recommend' as many as two goalies to USAH for the national camp. At that point it would be up to USAH to select one, two (maybe even none?) for the national camp -- out of the pool of goalies from the other districts.

So last year at U17 they took 5 D and 8 F and 1 D and 2 F were added At Large.

This year the number was announced at 4 D and 5 F for U17. When I asked a few people in the know they said this was to shift more "At Large" selections to USA Hockey and take some of the decision process out of the local Districts. In one way this may help the number of girls picked from MN but since MN doesn't send girls to the U14 Camp nor do MN girls get to compete in the National Tournaments (Shattuck represents MN at U16 and plays the MN Thoroughbreds to see who represents MN at Nationals) USA Hockey will know more and possible favor more heavily girls outside of MN. Time will tell?

joehockey wrote:"At Large" selections to USA Hockey and take some of the decision process out of the local Districts.

Am I the only one who thinks this is not such a good idea?

How would USA Hockey personnel be better educated, aware, informed or more knowledgeable than any local district officials on the merits and abilities of players with potential for an at large selection?

The potential for hurting players in the Minnesota district is greater than the potential for helping them IMO.

I feel the local district personnel should make those judgements and selections...with USA Hockey staff then making their evaluations later on...down the line in the process.

brookyone wrote:

joehockey wrote:"At Large" selections to USA Hockey and take some of the decision process out of the local Districts.

Am I the only one who thinks this is not such a good idea?

How would USA Hockey personnel be better educated, aware, informed or more knowledgeable than any local district officials on the merits and abilities of players with potential for an at large selection?

The potential for hurting players in the Minnesota district is greater than the potential for helping them IMO.

I feel the local district personnel should make those judgements and selections...with USA Hockey staff then making their evaluations later on...down the line in the process.

There are a lot of things that I do not care for in the system, but unfortunately it does not seem much different than the MN people choosing who they are comfortable with.

See below

Here is an overview of Nation there are no goalies listed/announced:

2009 U17 Selections/Slots: 7/40 F, 5/28 D, 0/8 G, total 12/76

Mid American District 1 D & 1 F
Laura Wasnick........Defense
Tracy McCann.........Forward

New England District 3 D & 4 F
Alex Fontaine........Defense*
Tori Pizzuto.........Defense*
Ashley Salerno.......Defense*
Melissa Bizarri......Forward*
Nicole Fox...........Forward*
Christine Valente....Forward
Janice Yang..........Forward*

Southeast District 1 D & 2 F
Alyssa Gagliardi NC -SSM.....Defense
Meghan Huertas FL -NAHA....Forward
Stephanie Mock FL -Hotchkiss/Mid Fairfield...Forward

2009 U16 Selections/Slots: 10/54 F, 7/36 D, 0/12 G, total 17/102

Mid American District 1 D & 3 F
Zoie Zirger..........Defense
Jessica Brown........Forward*
Lexie Scozio.........Forward
Ashley Vesci.........Forward*

New England District 4 D & 4 F
Amada Boulier........Defense*
Sarah Byrne..........Defense*
Nina Gozzi...........Defense
Kate Moreau..........Defense
Casey Breese.........Forward
Miriam Drubel........Forward*
Amanda Pelkey........Forward*
Samantha Zeiss.......Forward

Southeast District 1 D & 3 F
Colleen Murphy NC -NAHA....Defense
Elizabeth Hanrahan MD -NSA....Forward
Kaye Sitterley NC -Culver Academy....Forward
Katherine Sullivan MD -Exeter Academy....Forward

Selection Process/Dates
MidAmerica - Posted
New England - Posted
Southeast - Posted
New York - Selections made, not posted yet
Massachusetts – Selection made, not posted yet
Minnesota - Selection made, not posted yet
Central - April 26
Rocky Mountain – Apr 29-May 3
Atlantic – May 1
Michigan – May 1-3
Northern Plains – May 1-2
Pacific – May 9-10

From GC2 on the College Forum - here are the quotas by USA Hockey District and At Large to be determined by USA Hockey:

U17
MN Quota: 5D 6F (14.5% of Total)
USAH At Large: 3D 5F 8G (21.1% of Total)

U16
MN Quota: 5D 10F (14.7% of Total)
USAH At Large: 5D 10F 12G (26.5% of Total)

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Actually for U17 its (40F, 28D, 8G, 76 total) from the allocation list from USAH. The allocation document is posted on the pacific district web page on USAH.

Girls’ 17 Player Development Camp Quotas – Birth Year ’92 (19 Players per Team: 7D, 10F, 2G)
District Defense Forward Goalie Total
Atlantic 2 2 0 4
Central 4 4 0 8
Northern Plains 1 1 0 2
Massachusetts 3 4 0 7
Michigan 2 3 0 5
Mid-American 1 1 0 2
Minnesota 5 6 0 11
New England 3 4 0 7
New York 1 2 0 3
Pacific 1 3 0 4
Rocky Mountain 1 3 0 4
Southeastern 1 2 0 3
At-Large 3 5 8 16
Total 28 40 8 76

Girls’ 16 Player Development Camp Quotas – Birth Year ’93 (17 Players Per Team: 6D, 9F, 2G)
District Defense Forward Goalie Total
Atlantic 2 2 0 4
Central 4 5 0 9
Northern Plains 1 1 0 2
Massachusetts 4 7 0 11
Michigan 3 5 0 8
Mid-American 1 3 0 4
Minnesota 5 10 0 15
New England 4 4 0 8
New York 4 4 0 8
Pacific 3 3 0 6
Rocky Mountain 2 2 0 4
Southeastern 1 3 0 4
At-Large 2 5 12 19
Total 36 54 12 102

Have the Advance 16 and 17 girls been informed yet if they have made the NDP camp. I haven't seen it posted.

hockey1518 wrote:Have the Advance 16 and 17 girls been informed yet if they have made the NDP camp. I haven't seen it posted.

No nothing has been posted on MN Hockey site yet - that is how announcement will be made.

From GC2 on College Forum

Central Division Named.....

These are the 2009 U17 & U16 NDP selections I've been able to find thus far (* denotes returning player from previous year).
Please let me know of any corrections or additions.
--Updated to include Central District Selections as posted on wahahockey.com

U17 Named Selections of Camp
(11 of 40 F, 9 of 28 D, 0 of 8 G, total 76)

Mid American District (1F, 1 D)
Laura Wasnick........D.....Gilmour Academy
Tracy McCann.........F.....Ohio Flames

New England District (4F, 3D)
Alex Fontaine........D*....MA Spitfires
Tori Pizzuto.........D*....CT Polar Bears
Ashley Salerno.......D*....Assabet Valley
Melissa Bizarri......F*....NAHA
Nicole Fox...........F*....NAHA
Christine Valente....F.....CT Polar Bears
Janice Yang..........F*....CT Polar Bears

Southeast District (2F, 1D)
Alyssa Gagliardi.....D.....SSM
Meghan Huertas.......F*....NAHA
Stephanie Mock.......F*....Mid Fairfield CT Stars

New York District (2F, 1D)
Complete but not posted yet

Minnesota District (6F, 5D)
Complete but not posted yet

Massachusetts District (4F, 3D)
Complete but not posted yet

Central District (4F, 4D)
Maggie Hunt..........D*....NAHA
Madison Kolls........D.....SSM
Kelly Jaminski.......D*....Little Ceasers
Brianne Mahoney......D.....Team Illinois
Kendall Coyne........F*....Chicago Mission
Megan Cox............F*....SSM
Samantha Nelson......F*....Team Illinois
Claire Santostefano..F*....Chicago Mission

Rocky Mountain District (3F, 1D)
Tryouts Apr 29-May 3

Atlantic District (2F, 2D)
Tryouts May 1

Northern Plains District (1F, 1D)
Tryouts May 1-2

Michigan District (3F, 2D)
Tryouts May 1-3

Pacific District (3F, 1D)
Tryouts May 9-10

U17 At-Large Selections (5F, 3D, 8G)


U16 Named Selections of Camp
( 15 of 54 F, 10 of 36 D, 0 of 12 G, total 102)

Mid American District (3F, 1D)
Zoie Zirger..........D.....Ohio Flames
Jessica Brown........F*....SSM
Lexie Scozio.........F.....Team Pittsburgh
Ashley Vesci.........F*....Team Pittsburgh

New England District (4F, 4D)
Amada Boulier........D*....CT Polar Bears
Sarah Byrne..........D*....CT Polar Bears
Nina Gozzi...........D.....Kingswood-Oxford
Kate Moreau..........D.....CT Polar Bears
Casey Breese.........F.....CT Polar Bears
Miriam Drubel........F*....NAHA
Amanda Pelkey........F*....Boston Shamrocks
Samantha Zeiss.......F.....CT Polar Bears

Southeast District (3F, 1D)
Colleen Murphy.......D*....NAHA
Elizabeth Hanrahan...F.....NSA
Kaye Sitterley.......F*....Culver
Katherine Sullivan...F*....Exeter

New York District (4F, 4D)
Complete but not posted yet

Minnesota District (10F, 5D)
Complete but not posted yet

Massachusetts District (7F, 4D)
Complete but not posted yet

Central District (5F, 4D)
Samantha Edelson.....D.....Chicago Mission
Carolyn Fuwa.........D.....Team Illinois
Josie Johnson........D*....Sun Prairie
Lindsay Kloppenburg..D.....Madison Capitals
Hannah Bielawski?....F*....Team Illinois (Byelaws on website)
Kim Drake............F*....SSM
Kailee Heidersbach...F*....Ohio Flames
Taylor Mahoney.......F*....Team Illinois
MacKenzie Martin.....F.....Chicago Mission

Rocky Mountain District (2F, 2D)
Tryouts Apr 29-May 3

Atlantic District (2F, 2D)
Tryouts May 1

Northern Plains District (1F, 1D)
Tryouts May 1-2

Michigan District (5F, 3D)
Tryouts May 1-3

Pacific District (3F, 3D)
Tryouts May 9-10

U17 At-Large Selections (5F, 2D, 12G)

Can we expect publication, or a release listing those selected anytime soon?

brookyone wrote:Can we expect publication, or a release listing those selected anytime soon?

I believe the girls were told they would be posted by May 1st.