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The51 wrote:

Goldy Gopher wrote:

The51 wrote: that doesnt matter they still were not a top 10 team.

If taking fourth at state doesn't make a team top 10 in your mind, what does?

well for starters you should have a better record than 14-11, wouldnt expect them to lose to a team 10-3, and should definately beat eastview more than 2-1 and rosemount 4-3

Is Blaine not in your final top ten either then?

Goldy Gopher wrote:

The51 wrote:

Goldy Gopher wrote: If taking fourth at state doesn't make a team top 10 in your mind, what does?

well for starters you should have a better record than 14-11, wouldnt expect them to lose to a team 10-3, and should definately beat eastview more than 2-1 and rosemount 4-3

Is Blaine not in your final top ten either then?

"The51" is overmatched, and everyone knows it.

I will admit this is a crazy idea, but since there were other ones out there this is mine:

In hockey, it has traditionally been known the best team usually wins a best of 7 series. A one game series is a lot more unknown, but in 7, usually the best team comes out on top. So here is the scenario.

Set AA to 64 teams. The first 4 rounds of playoffs will still be in the sections following a 8 team home and home round robin regular season to determine seeding. All 64 teams enter a best of seven series then so on down to the state champion. Losers fall to the consolation side of the bracket to allow games for everyone.

In the end, the best team in the state will have worked its way to the state championship with little to no disagreement. It increases the number of games played without adding much travel. Home games will be back to back nights with missed school being no more than the season now holds.

Lucia4President wrote:

Goldy Gopher wrote:

The51 wrote: well for starters you should have a better record than 14-11, wouldnt expect them to lose to a team 10-3, and should definately beat eastview more than 2-1 and rosemount 4-3

Is Blaine not in your final top ten either then?

"The51" is overmatched, and everyone knows it.

I'll jump in this conversation just to put some outside comments in.
1) AV is a top 10 team, not the 4th best team in the state
2) The best team in the state does not always win state (tonka lost becaue they played horribly all but the first period of the tournament)
3) Arguments over sections will continue until we're all dead and gone but we all know the tournament is played to determine a champion, sometimes the championship games are played in section finals (or semifinals) sometimes they're actually played in the state championship whatever the case there's still only one team that wins from the start of playoffs until the end and they are state champion.
4) State tournaments are great because of the set up so stop complaining and enjoy the show!

Goldy Gopher wrote:

The51 wrote:

Goldy Gopher wrote: If taking fourth at state doesn't make a team top 10 in your mind, what does?

well for starters you should have a better record than 14-11, wouldnt expect them to lose to a team 10-3, and should definately beat eastview more than 2-1 and rosemount 4-3

Is Blaine not in your final top ten either then?

Well first of all I didnt have Blaine as high as places like mnhockeyhub and minnhock i had there more in the 8-10 range which is where i have them at the end of the year

The51 wrote:

Goldy Gopher wrote:

The51 wrote: well for starters you should have a better record than 14-11, wouldnt expect them to lose to a team 10-3, and should definately beat eastview more than 2-1 and rosemount 4-3

Is Blaine not in your final top ten either then?

Well first of all I didnt have Blaine as high as places like mnhockeyhub and minnhock i had there more in the 8-10 range which is where i have them at the end of the year

You keep basing AV not being in the top 10 on one game, their loss to Jefferson who is a lock top 10 team. How can you not exclude Blaine from the top ten based on their loss to AV, a team that you don't even have in the top 10?

because i was at the game, Blaine clearly out played them along with out shooting them 30-17

The51 wrote:because i was at the game, Blaine clearly out played them along with out shooting them 30-17

as long as you were there..you should have watched it..obviously didn't.

The51-

You brought up the 2-1 Eastview game...ever look at the shots of that one since you are bringing up the shots of AV-Blaine...46-14 AV. Or the Rosemount game 35-13 shots AV, oh they played the back-up goalie that game as well. Not to mention those two games were also the first 2 of the season and have very little to do with how a team will be playing later in the year when the coach finds lines that work well together and defensive pairings. Oh the 3rd game of the year AV beat Lakeville North 6-1 they must be as good as Minnetonka and Tonka and Valley both lost to Edina by 2 back to back days...they must be very similar then. Your points don't make any sense. None of those games had to do with the type of team Apple Valley was at the end of the year. The 10-3 game with Jefferson was the 5th game of the year. Jefferson was playing just as good as anyone to start the season and slowed down everyone knows that. Did you really watch the Blaine-AV game? Shots were in favor of Blaine and yes Gretz played well to help them win but what about scoring chances? I'd bet to say those were even in that game. Your arguements have no support something from Late November and Early December will not matter for what type of team you could be in the middle of the year or the end of the season. Was Apple Valley the 4th best team in the state? No they weren't but by years end they were going to play competitive with alot of quality teams in the state.

The51 wrote:

Goldy Gopher wrote:

The51 wrote: that doesnt matter they still were not a top 10 team.

If taking fourth at state doesn't make a team top 10 in your mind, what does?

well for starters you should have a better record than 14-11, wouldnt expect them to lose to a team 10-3, and should definately beat eastview more than 2-1 and rosemount 4-3

Seriously.... If taking 4th in the tourney doesnt make u a top 10 team then whats the point of having a tourney? Dumbest comment I've ever heard. We might as well start up a high school hockey version of the BCS!!!

Minnetonka, Edina, Jefferson, Eden Prairie, Wayzata, Hill-Murray, Blaine, Centennial, Duluth East, Burnsville.

10 better teams than Apple Valley. end of discussion they were not a top 10 team, just an average team that came out of a bad section with a goalie who got hot for two games (Blaine, Edina) and won then one of those games

The51 wrote:Minnetonka, Edina, Jefferson, Eden Prairie, Wayzata, Hill-Murray, Blaine, Centennial, Duluth East, Burnsville.

10 better teams than Apple Valley. end of discussion they were not a top 10 team, just an average team that came out of a bad section with a goalie who got hot for two games (Blaine, Edina) and won then one of those games

Isn't that what play offs are all about? Put your team in a position to succeed, play well enough at the right time to get to the big show, do your best while you are there..

Sounds about right.

inthestands wrote:

The51 wrote:Minnetonka, Edina, Jefferson, Eden Prairie, Wayzata, Hill-Murray, Blaine, Centennial, Duluth East, Burnsville.

10 better teams than Apple Valley. end of discussion they were not a top 10 team, just an average team that came out of a bad section with a goalie who got hot for two games (Blaine, Edina) and won then one of those games

Isn't that what play offs are all about? Put your team in a position to succeed, play well enough at the right time to get to the big show, do your best while you are there..

Sounds about right.

No, playoffs are about getting the best 8 teams to state, Apple Valley was in a weak section. They would not have won Sections 2,4,5,6,7 and probably not 8

The51 wrote:

inthestands wrote:

The51 wrote:Minnetonka, Edina, Jefferson, Eden Prairie, Wayzata, Hill-Murray, Blaine, Centennial, Duluth East, Burnsville.

10 better teams than Apple Valley. end of discussion they were not a top 10 team, just an average team that came out of a bad section with a goalie who got hot for two games (Blaine, Edina) and won then one of those games

Isn't that what play offs are all about? Put your team in a position to succeed, play well enough at the right time to get to the big show, do your best while you are there..

Sounds about right.

No, playoffs are about getting the best 8 teams to state, Apple Valley was in a weak section. They would not have won Sections 2,4,5,6,7 and probably not 8

Don't playoffs take the team that wins it's section championship game to the state tourney?

Isn't that why they have sections?

inthestands wrote:

The51 wrote:

inthestands wrote: Isn't that what play offs are all about? Put your team in a position to succeed, play well enough at the right time to get to the big show, do your best while you are there..

Sounds about right.

No, playoffs are about getting the best 8 teams to state, Apple Valley was in a weak section. They would not have won Sections 2,4,5,6,7 and probably not 8

Don't playoffs take the team that wins it's section championship game to the state tourney?

Isn't that why they have sections?

I'm glad to see not everyone has lost their mind.

The51 wrote:

inthestands wrote:

The51 wrote:Minnetonka, Edina, Jefferson, Eden Prairie, Wayzata, Hill-Murray, Blaine, Centennial, Duluth East, Burnsville.

10 better teams than Apple Valley. end of discussion they were not a top 10 team, just an average team that came out of a bad section with a goalie who got hot for two games (Blaine, Edina) and won then one of those games

Isn't that what play offs are all about? Put your team in a position to succeed, play well enough at the right time to get to the big show, do your best while you are there..

Sounds about right.

No, playoffs are about getting the best 8 teams to state, Apple Valley was in a weak section. They would not have won Sections 2,4,5,6,7 and probably not 8

How in the world can you say that they wouldn't have won section 5? THEY BEAT THE SECTION 5 CHAMPS!

Gold'y I learned, no capital letter's in sentence's in the first grade. Probabl'y just" a honest mistake on your be,half. You hit the caps lock I guess.. No harm no foul I will let you off, with a warnin'g.

5thgraders wrote:Gold'y I learned, no capital letter's in sentence's in the first grade. Probabl'y just" a honest mistake on your be,half. You hit the caps lock I guess.. No harm no foul I will let you off, with a warnin'g.

You got him good dude.

The51 wrote:

inthestands wrote:

The51 wrote:Minnetonka, Edina, Jefferson, Eden Prairie, Wayzata, Hill-Murray, Blaine, Centennial, Duluth East, Burnsville.

10 better teams than Apple Valley. end of discussion they were not a top 10 team, just an average team that came out of a bad section with a goalie who got hot for two games (Blaine, Edina) and won then one of those games

Isn't that what play offs are all about? Put your team in a position to succeed, play well enough at the right time to get to the big show, do your best while you are there..

Sounds about right.

No, playoffs are about getting the best 8 teams to state, Apple Valley was in a weak section. They would not have won Sections 2,4,5,6,7 and probably not 8

So in 2007 when Burnsville went 18-12 and took 4th at state (with their 1 win coming in the first round against Blaine) their section was weak? I don't think so. Nothing is wrong with 3AA. Apple Valley got hot at the right time and beat some good teams to get as far as they did.

5thgraders wrote:Gold'y I learned, no capital letter's in sentence's in the first grade. Probabl'y just" a honest mistake on your be,half. You hit the caps lock I guess.. No harm no foul I will let you off, with a warnin'g.

There is no ' in warning, pal...

Goldy Gopher wrote:

The51 wrote:

inthestands wrote: Isn't that what play offs are all about? Put your team in a position to succeed, play well enough at the right time to get to the big show, do your best while you are there..

Sounds about right.

No, playoffs are about getting the best 8 teams to state, Apple Valley was in a weak section. They would not have won Sections 2,4,5,6,7 and probably not 8

How in the world can you say that they wouldn't have won section 5? THEY BEAT THE SECTION 5 CHAMPS!

Amen Golddigger!!! 51... you dug yourself a hole when you named 10 teams that were "clearly" better than AV and included Blaine (who lost 2-0 to AV) in that list. Just give it up my man.

Goldy Gopher wrote:

The51 wrote:

inthestands wrote: Isn't that what play offs are all about? Put your team in a position to succeed, play well enough at the right time to get to the big show, do your best while you are there..

Sounds about right.

No, playoffs are about getting the best 8 teams to state, Apple Valley was in a weak section. They would not have won Sections 2,4,5,6,7 and probably not 8

How in the world can you say that they wouldn't have won section 5? THEY BEAT THE SECTION 5 CHAMPS!

Because, say they were in section 5. They would have been seeded 4th or 5th. They would have had to beat Osseo then Blaine and then either Maple Grove or Centennial. There goalie would not be able to stay hot enough to carry them past all 3 of those opponents

The51 you are an idiot! Out of your "top 10" Jefferson, Eden Prairie, Wayzata, Centennial, and Burnsville couldn't win sections 2, 4, 5, 6, or 7 either. You're just jealous that your team didn't make state or mad that clutch goaltending actually matters in playoff hockey.

If you don't like the playoff system for MN High School hockey go get a job with the BCS and bring some of your ideas to college football rankings.

RFFalcon22 wrote:The51 you are an idiot! Out of your "top 10" Jefferson, Eden Prairie, Wayzata, Centennial, and Burnsville couldn't win sections 2, 4, 5, 6, or 7 either. You're just jealous that your team didn't make state or mad that clutch goaltending actually matters in playoff hockey.

If you don't like the playoff system for MN High School hockey go get a job with the BCS and bring some of your ideas to college football rankings.

Well i do know they all could have won section 3

and i would also take Jefferson, EP, and Wayzata in section 5 and 7 also

The51 wrote:

RFFalcon22 wrote:The51 you are an idiot! Out of your "top 10" Jefferson, Eden Prairie, Wayzata, Centennial, and Burnsville couldn't win sections 2, 4, 5, 6, or 7 either. You're just jealous that your team didn't make state or mad that clutch goaltending actually matters in playoff hockey.

If you don't like the playoff system for MN High School hockey go get a job with the BCS and bring some of your ideas to college football rankings.

Well i do know they all could have won section 3

and i would also take Jefferson, EP, and Wayzata in section 5 and 7 also

Playoffs are about any team winning on any given day..
Timing is everything in playoffs.