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The MSHSL continues to disappoint those private school haters. TG placed in the NW Suburban, BSM in the Metro West, AHA in the Tri-Metro and St. Thomas Academy back in the Metro East. All decisions based on enrollment, geography and competitive balance. Surely they should be out to punish and segregate the private schools.Bulldog3489 wrote:Holy Angels placed in the Tri-Metro
All that time and energy spent to just add Hastings and to get a new name. The conspirators who worked so hard to kick out STA have to be very disappointed.Pioneerprideguy wrote:Just to finish up the STA point and get back on topic. STA has been placed into the Metro East Conference as of today. It was the correct decision based on the criteria. Keeping STA, losing Richfield, and adding Hastings makes for a more competitive conference overall.
It was a very interesting process. It'll be interesting to see how relations continue within the conference nowstpaul wrote:All that time and energy spent to just add Hastings and to get a new name. The conspirators who worked so hard to kick out STA have to be very disappointed.Pioneerprideguy wrote:Just to finish up the STA point and get back on topic. STA has been placed into the Metro East Conference as of today. It was the correct decision based on the criteria. Keeping STA, losing Richfield, and adding Hastings makes for a more competitive conference overall.
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You have to understand that the parents have money and 100% of their happiness and self confidence is tied to how well little Tommy does on the rink.goldy313 wrote:http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_230 ... -st-thomas
The Classic Suburban voted 6-2 to kick STA out of the conference, STA now has to apply to other conferences and if no one accepts them the MSHSL will place them in a conference.
Kind of interesting to me at least, my guess is the two no votes were STA and Hill-Murray. I just don't think you can become as dominant as STA has been, run the score up incessantly on your peers and expect them to just stand by forever. STA may be close to some those schools geograpically but they're light years away socio-economically and probably a better fit in the South Suburban or Suburban East.
Certainly not unique to STA parents....WB6162 wrote:You have to understand that the parents have money and 100% of their happiness and self confidence is tied to how well little Tommy does on the rink.
Who cares how long it took STA to move up to AA, they are there now. Don't forget it was the administration - Headmaster who is now retired, and AD - who has passed away this year. They took a lot of heat from the STA parents and alumns and the constant banter in the papers. They are in AA now, get over it.alcloseshaver wrote:As an outside casual observer this looks like the conference they belong in. If say a school like Holy Family starts to dominate they would be asked to leave their small league also in the ever evolving conference shuffle. The frustrating thing for most schools is the recruiting and aid the athletes get, hard to compete. That St. Thomas took this long to move up to AA in hockey is a joke. Holy family is trying to build a hockey program and they are AA.
Yep.WB6162 wrote:You have to understand that the parents have money and 100% of their happiness and self confidence is tied to how well little Tommy does on the rink.goldy313 wrote:http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_230 ... -st-thomas
The Classic Suburban voted 6-2 to kick STA out of the conference, STA now has to apply to other conferences and if no one accepts them the MSHSL will place them in a conference.
Kind of interesting to me at least, my guess is the two no votes were STA and Hill-Murray. I just don't think you can become as dominant as STA has been, run the score up incessantly on your peers and expect them to just stand by forever. STA may be close to some those schools geograpically but they're light years away socio-economically and probably a better fit in the South Suburban or Suburban East.
Exactly. And IMO this should have been a discussion of Class vs Conference. Isn't it all really just about winning a state championship and not a conference? Or is that just me?inthetwine wrote:People have to remember, this is not just about hockey, it is all sports. St. Thomas is not dominate in every sport.
It's quite comical when you actually take a look at all the sports. There are two that St Thomas has been dominant in; Swimming and Alpine Skiing.inthetwine wrote:People have to remember, this is not just about hockey, it is all sports. St. Thomas is not dominate in every sport.
Couldn't agree more. This is not unique to St. Thomas or to Private Schools...MNHockeyFan wrote:Certainly not unique to STA parents....WB6162 wrote:You have to understand that the parents have money and 100% of their happiness and self confidence is tied to how well little Tommy does on the rink.
It even applies to parents of 7 year-old girls, for those who may have missed this article in yesterday's Star Tribune:hockeyfan21 wrote:Couldn't agree more. This is not unique to St. Thomas or to Private Schools...
interesting...attitude of students? or parents? I know a lot of people that went to STA, I grew up with a lot of them. I ended up going to CDH, we were always rivals. It's just interesting to see how quickly a school can become so hated. When I was in school STA was just another private school with normal rivals. Now everyone in the state seems to hate them.hockeyfan21 wrote:I'm not part of the conference, but from people I've talked to the issue is not as much about the dominance of St. Thomas, but the attitude of St. Thomas, which is why they have made no effort to dump Hill Murray...
Start to win more and people don't like you. Same reason Cretin got the boot from the St. Paul City Conference.EliteHockeyMind wrote:interesting...attitude of students? or parents? I know a lot of people that went to STA, I grew up with a lot of them. I ended up going to CDH, we were always rivals. It's just interesting to see how quickly a school can become so hated. When I was in school STA was just another private school with normal rivals. Now everyone in the state seems to hate them.hockeyfan21 wrote:I'm not part of the conference, but from people I've talked to the issue is not as much about the dominance of St. Thomas, but the attitude of St. Thomas, which is why they have made no effort to dump Hill Murray...
I am glad we are now in the same section for playoffs, should be fun to watch the rivalry come playoffs. I was hoping for the same conference for more in season games, but i'll take it.
Can you elaborate on this attitude you speak of?hockeyfan21 wrote:I'm not part of the conference, but from people I've talked to the issue is not as much about the dominance of St. Thomas, but the attitude of St. Thomas, which is why they have made no effort to dump Hill Murray...
There is an age old St. Paul adage that goes like this:HShockeywatcher wrote:Can you elaborate on this attitude you speak of?hockeyfan21 wrote:I'm not part of the conference, but from people I've talked to the issue is not as much about the dominance of St. Thomas, but the attitude of St. Thomas, which is why they have made no effort to dump Hill Murray...
I've heard this same attitude expressed by students at colleges/universities with great academic reputations but bad sports teams (e.g. Northwestern University). The associated football stadium cheer is, "That's alright, that's okay, you're going to work for us someday!"stpaul wrote:There is an age old St. Paul adage that goes like this:
A Cretin kid taunts a STA kid after another athletic victory. The STA kid responds "that's OK, one day you will work for me and I'll take it out on you then".
Huh, where I come from, it's "That's alright, that's okay, you're going to work for East someday." Has a nice ring to it.almostashappy wrote:I've heard this same attitude expressed by students at colleges/universities with great academic reputations but bad sports teams (e.g. Northwestern University). The associated football stadium cheer is, "That's alright, that's okay, you're going to work for us someday!"stpaul wrote:There is an age old St. Paul adage that goes like this:
A Cretin kid taunts a STA kid after another athletic victory. The STA kid responds "that's OK, one day you will work for me and I'll take it out on you then".
Mostly complaints of arrogance and condescension from parents and students alike about not only the sports teams but the schools and communities. One guy told me about a parent who tried to pay admission to a bball game with a $100 bill, which they didn't have change for. He was irritated and made a crack about how he forgot he was in the poor part of MN again. I wasn't there so I have no way to verify if this is a regular attitude, but the way he and the other guy with him spoke, this is the norm.HShockeywatcher wrote:Can you elaborate on this attitude you speak of?hockeyfan21 wrote:I'm not part of the conference, but from people I've talked to the issue is not as much about the dominance of St. Thomas, but the attitude of St. Thomas, which is why they have made no effort to dump Hill Murray...
Did you hear about the guy that wanted to attend his kids 9th grade football game but couldn't find the valet to park his Bentley?hockeyfan21 wrote:Mostly complaints of arrogance and condescension from parents and students alike about not only the sports teams but the schools and communities. One guy told me about a parent who tried to pay admission to a bball game with a $100 bill, which they didn't have change for. He was irritated and made a crack about how he forgot he was in the poor part of MN again. I wasn't there so I have no way to verify if this is a regular attitude, but the way he and the other guy with him spoke, this is the norm.HShockeywatcher wrote:Can you elaborate on this attitude you speak of?hockeyfan21 wrote:I'm not part of the conference, but from people I've talked to the issue is not as much about the dominance of St. Thomas, but the attitude of St. Thomas, which is why they have made no effort to dump Hill Murray...
Again, I have no horse in this race.