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It's great to see some common sense posts on here.

MrBoDangles wrote:It's great to see some common sense posts on here.

I wish I had the skills that are being shown ...

So now I'm all excited for this change. When is it coming and how will I know when it gets here. So far all I see is the same old same old.

I had the chance to talk with several hockey dads at a practice a few days ago and gave them the sad news that association hockey is dead and the new order is upon us.

One guy grumbled that it was a bit ealy to be drinking, but he wasn't going to judge me. Another guy reminded me that the numbers for the association had increased exponentially in the last two seasons and they were expecting another good showing at the mite level this fall. I said I was sorry to have to burst their bubble, but it's over Johnny! It's over!!! Maybe they just haven't gotten the news.

I'm not sure if "the Bernster" is as hell bent on world domination as some of you alarmists seem to think he is, personally, I just think he wanted a fair shake from D6 and wasn't going to get it without dragging them to court.

Give the association folks some credit before you write off the community based model, the local association just un-assed a complete do-nothing from the presidency and have begun to reform in other areas. I will take a wait and see approach and root for common sense to prevail.

Oh and in case you didn't know it. IBM (founded in 1911) is the 18th largest and 7th most profitable company in the United States. They used to make typewriters. You can't expect MH to reform overnight.

Alright - let me have it.

HockeyDad41 wrote:So now I'm all excited for this change. When is it coming and how will I know when it gets here. So far all I see is the same old same old.

I had the chance to talk with several hockey dads at a practice a few days ago and gave them the sad news that association hockey is dead and the new order is upon us.

One guy grumbled that it was a bit ealy to be drinking, but he wasn't going to judge me. Another guy reminded me that the numbers for the association had increased exponentially in the last two seasons and they were expecting another good showing at the mite level this fall. I said I was sorry to have to burst their bubble, but it's over Johnny! It's over!!! Maybe they just haven't gotten the news.

I'm not sure if "the Bernster" is as hell bent on world domination as some of you alarmists seem to think he is, personally, I just think he wanted a fair shake from D6 and wasn't going to get it without dragging them to court.

Give the association folks some credit before you write off the community based model, the local association just un-assed a complete do-nothing from the presidency and have begun to reform in other areas. I will take a wait and see approach and root for common sense to prevail.

Oh and in case you didn't know it. IBM (founded in 1911) is the 18th largest and 7th most profitable company in the United States. They used to make typewriters. You can't expect MH to reform overnight.

Alright - let me have it.

What's wrong with me??? I'm going to refrain ..

HockeyDad41 wrote:So now I'm all excited for this change. When is it coming and how will I know when it gets here. So far all I see is the same old same old.

I had the chance to talk with several hockey dads at a practice a few days ago and gave them the sad news that association hockey is dead and the new order is upon us.

One guy grumbled that it was a bit ealy to be drinking, but he wasn't going to judge me. Another guy reminded me that the numbers for the association had increased exponentially in the last two seasons and they were expecting another good showing at the mite level this fall. I said I was sorry to have to burst their bubble, but it's over Johnny! It's over!!! Maybe they just haven't gotten the news.

I'm not sure if "the Bernster" is as hell bent on world domination as some of you alarmists seem to think he is, personally, I just think he wanted a fair shake from D6 and wasn't going to get it without dragging them to court.

Give the association folks some credit before you write off the community based model, the local association just un-assed a complete do-nothing from the presidency and have begun to reform in other areas. I will take a wait and see approach and root for common sense to prevail.

Oh and in case you didn't know it. IBM (founded in 1911) is the 18th largest and 7th most profitable company in the United States. They used to make typewriters. You can't expect MH to reform overnight.

Alright - let me have it.

And even IBM had to change and evolve........

"A new IBM emerged in the 1950s. The new chief executive faced a daunting task. The company was in the midst of a period of rapid technological change, with nascent computer technologies – electronic computers, magnetic tape storage, disk drives, programming – creating new competitors and market uncertainties. Internally, the company was growing by leaps and bounds, creating organizational pressures and significant management challenges. Lacking the force of personality that Watson, Sr. had long used to bind IBM together, Watson, Jr. and his senior executives privately wondered if the new generation of leadership was up to challenge of managing a company through this tumultuous period.[80] “We are,” wrote one longtime IBM executive in 1956, “in grave danger of losing our “eternal” values that are as valid in electronic days as in mechanical counter days.”

Watson, Jr., responded by drastically restructuring the organization mere months after his father died, creating a modern management structure that enabled him to more effectively oversee the fast moving company.---Wikpedia"

Is there a Watson Jr out there for MN hockey?

Well guys it's been fun.. Because of my pride in my son, and through him my grandson, I have come too close to talking out of school. My kid is a mover and shaker on the Summer AAA scene . My grandson is in the top 100 in his age group. And because of the people on here with different agendas, I'm afraid if I continue to post I will be drawn out to reveal what I have heard about different people and situations in Minnesota hockey. I greatly value the fact that my kid is still talking hockey with his Dad after all this time.
The last thing I will ever do is muddy up his program by shooting off my mouth. So.. Thanks to everyone, and, As they used to say back in the day "It's been Real" !!

observer wrote:State your individual unhappy situation and we'll discuss a solution for your particular situation.

Mr. Observer, My son plays on a Squirt A team in D6 and he had 70 hrs on ice and 30 hrs of off ice for a total of 100 hrs of training. We played the Edina A squirt team and were beat by a very lopsided score. I ended up finding out that Edina had a total of 150 hrs of training. I brought this up to our board and said that if we wanted to compete that we had to up our hours. I was told that, "they are just Edina and that's the way they do things" I was then told that no one would want to up the training hours.

What should I do if I want my son to have 150 hrs of association training like the Edina kids, Mr. Observer?

MrBoDangles wrote:

observer wrote:State your individual unhappy situation and we'll discuss a solution for your particular situation.

Mr. Observer, My son plays on a Squirt A team in D6 and he had 70 hrs on ice and 30 hrs of off ice for a total of 100 hrs of training. We played the Edina A squirt team and were beat by a very lopsided score. I ended up finding out that Edina had a total of 150 hrs of training. I brought this up to our board and said that if we wanted to compete that we had to up our hours. I was told that, "they are just Edina and that's the way they do things" I was then told that no one would want to up the training hours.

What should I do if I want my son to have 150 hrs of association training like the Edina kids, Mr. Observer?

Talk to the coach? Talk to some of the parents and see if they want to pony up more money for additional training? Sign up for one of the myriad of camps? Get on the board and change things?

luckyEPDad wrote:

MrBoDangles wrote:

observer wrote:State your individual unhappy situation and we'll discuss a solution for your particular situation.

Mr. Observer, My son plays on a Squirt A team in D6 and he had 70 hrs on ice and 30 hrs of off ice for a total of 100 hrs of training. We played the Edina A squirt team and were beat by a very lopsided score. I ended up finding out that Edina had a total of 150 hrs of training. I brought this up to our board and said that if we wanted to compete that we had to up our hours. I was told that, "they are just Edina and that's the way they do things" I was then told that no one would want to up the training hours.

What should I do if I want my son to have 150 hrs of association training like the Edina kids, Mr. Observer?

Talk to the coach? Talk to some of the parents and see if they want to pony up more money for additional training? Sign up for one of the myriad of camps? Get on the board and change things?

"no one would want"

Suck it up and deal with it then?

Quasar wrote: My grandson is in the top 100 in his age group.

Of all the posts you've made, buried in this one is without question the most awesome nugget in the history of this message board.

Not even like Kelly Slater or Lionel Messi awesome. This is a Gretzky/Pele/Jordan/Nicklaus awesome comment.

MrBoDangles wrote:It's great to see some common sense posts on here.

Bo, I love it. All day at the beach after hockey practice and I come home to this. We've got a guy that can't figure out youth hockey players on the same team are always less than two years apart in age, plus a moderator has informed us that someone posts under two identities.

Thanks for pointing out that finally some common sense is present.

There's one thing I've learned about common sense. It ain't that common. I only hear the term when they say someone lacks it, which pretty much means it wasn't common after all.

JDUBBS1280 wrote:You can't play in both leagues and not miss time in one of them.

Um, yes you can. Unless you know something I don't about my kids and his team mates whereabouts, which in that case we really do need to talk ... at dawn ... 40 paces ...

MnMade-4-Life wrote:

JDUBBS1280 wrote:You can't play in both leagues and not miss time in one of them.

Um, yes you can. Unless you know something I don't about my kids and his team mates whereabouts, which in that case we really do need to talk ... at dawn ... 40 paces ...

Save the B.S. Way more often than not, there are some conflicts throughout the season and kids have to choose to miss games or practices at one or the other. Please, deny that.

O-townClown wrote:There's one thing I've learned about common sense. It ain't that common. I only hear the term when they say someone lacks it ...

and judging from your posts on here, i gather you hear that a lot ...

JDUBBS1280 wrote:Save the B.S. Way more often than not, there are some conflicts throughout the season and kids have to choose to miss games or practices at one or the other. Please, deny that.

like basketball, church, family holidays, volleyball, football, camps, clinics, sleepovers, visiting relatives, school assignments, x-mas pageant, colds & flu, band practice and/or other social/academic/athletic/family activities that are part of everyday life. we've never needed a rule that forces kids between these activities and a squirt hockey team and we don't need one now. thats why we have more kids on a team than we need to play a game. it's ok if we aqre missing a kid or two or three at any given game, the sun always has a way of rising oin the morning.

i'll teach my own kid about commitment and priorities and how it relates to a childrens hockey team. i don't need mr. hewit or any other control freak substituting his values for mine.

the courts already laughed at mr. hewits lame attempt at control. now its time for d6 to finish the job and laugh mr. hewit straight out to the curb.

knO-itall Clown wrote:

JDUBBS1280 wrote:Save the B.S. Way more often than not, there are some conflicts throughout the season and kids have to choose to miss games or practices at one or the other. Please, deny that.

like basketball, church, family holidays, volleyball, football, camps, clinics, sleepovers, visiting relatives, school assignments, x-mas pageant, colds & flu, band practice and/or other social/academic/athletic/family activities that are part of everyday life. we've never needed a rule that forces kids between these activities and a squirt hockey team and we don't need one now. thats why we have more kids on a team than we need to play a game. it's ok if we aqre missing a kid or two or three at any given game, the sun always has a way of rising oin the morning.

i'll teach my own kid about commitment and priorities and how it relates to a childrens hockey team. i don't need mr. hewit or any other control freak substituting his values for mine.

the courts already laughed at mr. hewits lame attempt at control. now its time for d6 to finish the job and laugh mr. hewit straight out to the curb.

First off, you obviously have trouble reading as I have already touched on the HUGE difference between family and religious commitments and another hockey practice. And as for sleep overs, etc... when kids missing practices and games because of sleepovers becomes a persistent and chronic issue, then you may see action taken.

And you're right. Teaching the importance of keeping commitments to your child is your responsibility. However, it is the district's responsibility to make certain that it doesn't effect other children when you do a piss poor job of it

And no one is going to "laugh Mr. Hewitt to the curb". Though it truely does show how classless you are to make such a remark.

No wonder I've always thought that districts, on average, do a poor job. I thought this whole time that their jobs were to promote hockey and offer an organized environment of competition. I didn't realize the district bylaws put them in charge of being the parent police, sworn to protect other children in the district when my kid goes ice fishing with his grandfather.

InigoMontoya wrote:No wonder I've always thought that districts, on average, do a poor job. I thought this whole time that their jobs were to promote hockey and offer an organized environment of competition. I didn't realize the district bylaws put them in charge of being the parent police, sworn to protect other children in the district when my kid goes ice fishing with his grandfather.

Unfortnately, more time has to be spent dealing with parents who think it's ok to make death threats to coaches and officials, show up plastered at their children's games, and stubornly fail to recognize that this is YOUTH athletics we are talking about. Yeah, clearly all the problems are with district officials. Un-freaking-believable. LOL!

Seven years of hockey for my youngest and he has only missed one practise due to a unavoidable conflict. If we expect coaches to have time management skills and commitment than I as a parent would expect no less from the participant.

"HUGE difference between family and religious commitments and another hockey practice"

"when my kid goes ice fishing with his grandfather"

Does anybody even read a post before they reply anymore? Just keep posting the same thing over and over regardless of what anyone says in reply. Yes we all think it sucks to have to have rules to govern simple things but like the "contents are hot" label on a cup of McDougals coffee they got there because of someones actions.

As for fishing with grampa, call the coach a couple weeks ahead and say, "we will miss that Saturday practice for a fishing trip. "

royals dad wrote:"HUGE difference between family and religious commitments and another hockey practice"

"when my kid goes ice fishing with his grandfather"

Does anybody even read a post before they reply anymore? Just keep posting the same thing over and over regardless of what anyone says in reply. Yes we all think it sucks to have to have rules to govern simple things but like the "contents are hot" label on a cup of McDougals coffee they got there because of someones actions.

As for fishing with grampa, call the coach a couple weeks ahead and say, "we will miss that Saturday practice for a fishing trip. "

Well said. Personally, I just shake my head when someone tries to compare something like spending time with a grandfather to participating in another sporting event.

knO-itall Clown wrote:

JDUBBS1280 wrote:Save the B.S. Way more often than not, there are some conflicts throughout the season and kids have to choose to miss games or practices at one or the other. Please, deny that.

like basketball, church, family holidays, volleyball, football, camps, clinics, sleepovers, visiting relatives, school assignments, x-mas pageant, colds & flu, band practice and/or other social/academic/athletic/family activities that are part of everyday life. we've never needed a rule that forces kids between these activities and a squirt hockey team and we don't need one now. thats why we have more kids on a team than we need to play a game. it's ok if we aqre missing a kid or two or three at any given game, the sun always has a way of rising oin the morning.

i'll teach my own kid about commitment and priorities and how it relates to a childrens hockey team. i don't need mr. hewit or any other control freak substituting his values for mine.

the courts already laughed at mr. hewits lame attempt at control. now its time for d6 to finish the job and laugh mr. hewit straight out to the curb.

If you feel that strongly about it why create the lame new moniker to post your thoughts?

JDUBBS1280 wrote:

InigoMontoya wrote:No wonder I've always thought that districts, on average, do a poor job. I thought this whole time that their jobs were to promote hockey and offer an organized environment of competition. I didn't realize the district bylaws put them in charge of being the parent police, sworn to protect other children in the district when my kid goes ice fishing with his grandfather.

Unfortnately, more time has to be spent dealing with parents who think it's ok to make death threats to coaches and officials, show up plastered at their children's games, and stubornly fail to recognize that this is YOUTH athletics we are talking about. Yeah, clearly all the problems are with district officials. Un-freaking-believable. LOL!

From your posts JD it sounds like a couple of kids missing a few practices is small potatoes compared to the drunks and potential murderers you have running around your district. My advice is to re-evaluate your priorities and deal with the larger issues.

HockeyDad41 wrote:

JDUBBS1280 wrote:

InigoMontoya wrote:No wonder I've always thought that districts, on average, do a poor job. I thought this whole time that their jobs were to promote hockey and offer an organized environment of competition. I didn't realize the district bylaws put them in charge of being the parent police, sworn to protect other children in the district when my kid goes ice fishing with his grandfather.

Unfortnately, more time has to be spent dealing with parents who think it's ok to make death threats to coaches and officials, show up plastered at their children's games, and stubornly fail to recognize that this is YOUTH athletics we are talking about. Yeah, clearly all the problems are with district officials. Un-freaking-believable. LOL!

From your posts JD it sounds like a couple of kids missing a few practices is small potatoes compared to the drunks and potential murderers you have running around your district. My advice is to re-evaluate your priorities and deal with the larger issues.

First off, D6 isn't my district. And your fooling yourself if you think that kind of nonsense doesn't happen all over. And I brought that up just to make a point. And, again, that point is that the districts, and the rules they implement, exist for a reason and are generally well supported.

JDUBBS1280 wrote:

HockeyDad41 wrote:

JDUBBS1280 wrote: Unfortnately, more time has to be spent dealing with parents who think it's ok to make death threats to coaches and officials, show up plastered at their children's games, and stubornly fail to recognize that this is YOUTH athletics we are talking about. Yeah, clearly all the problems are with district officials. Un-freaking-believable. LOL!

From your posts JD it sounds like a couple of kids missing a few practices is small potatoes compared to the drunks and potential murderers you have running around your district. My advice is to re-evaluate your priorities and deal with the larger issues.

First off, D6 isn't my district. And your fooling yourself if you think that kind of nonsense doesn't happen all over. And I brought that up just to make a point. And, again, that point is that the districts, and the rules they implement, exist for a reason and are generally well supported.

So are you just making up the stuff about drunks and murderers in your district to try to make your point?