Cookster wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:33 am
Is it really too much to ask for everyone to stick to the topic and stop with your personal views on Covid. Don't post statistics that support your claim, because with Statistics there are always 2 sides to the story. I believe we have had now 3 separate topics that certain individuals just have the need to go on telling their beliefs
Not saying they are wrong, but frankly most of us don't care. The topic in this case is will Minnesota Hockey take over the HS hockey season. If you have pertinent knowledge or thoughts that do not involve Covid on this site, great. If you just want to talk about Covid -- maybe we should just open a Covid Topic, so that you can thump your chest with your viewpoint.
I love this forum, because I learn a lot about the game, and some of the inner workings -- New Coaches, Players Moving and Leaving, Unfair sections, recruiting kids and the issues, and hearing about players doing great things. Covid Sucks, I hate what it is doing to everyone, but I come here to get away from that topic, so please either open up a topic or keep your Covid opinions to yourself. Thank you
To "Cookster", "blueblood", "InthePipes", and anyone else from the "this Covid-thing isn't that big of a deal so let's just play for cripes sake" crowd. It's extremely interesting that the only people expressing frustration with those of us -- OK, lately just me but... -- that are trying to make the case for caution/defending the MSHSL for potentially taking the cautious route, are people who feel the way you guys do. What's very revealing about that is the blatantly obvious unwillingness by almost all of you to answer the key questions I've posed over the last few days. You know, if all of you guys -- and you know who you are -- would genuinely try to answer the questions/defend your positions with actual facts/studies from legitimate Covid experts, I might be willing to quit posting as many times about Covid-specific stuff.
Oh, and to "Cookster"...you ask us not to post statistics to back up our "Covid positions" as there are always "2 sides to the story". Actually, when it comes to statistics, there often aren't "2 sides". A lot of times the stats tell a "only one right answer" story. On a similar note, for any topic that's at all controversial, isn't there at least the perception that there are "two sides"? If we all always agreed all the time, it would make these forums a pretty dull place to be.
To be honest, it's concerning that those of you complaining don't seem able to make the connection that, the specifics regarding Covid; it's infectiousness, it's effects (or not) on kids, and the post-infection maladies now appearing, along with the issue of general organizational liability, are all critical parts of the decision-making process for the MSHSL. Thus, making them an important part of the general conversation regarding this topic. I'm sure this won't shock any of you but, I think the only reason you guys are frustrated is because, deep, deep down inside, you know you can't argue with the actual science I'm supporting my position with.
What's also interesting is that I've provided the most detailed information on what's going on behind the scenes as it relates to what Minnesota Hockey is doing to prepare in case there isn't an MSHSL season. Thus, I've already contributed to the "other side" of the title of the thread.
The main thing the moderators have asked/demanded is that we don't get "political" in any of our comments. And, so far, that hasn't happened in this thread other than Goldy's accusation last night that we (Hunters and I) were being political. Anyways, here are those questions again. Why don't you guys take a shot at these for just once. C'mon, you can do it....
1.) As many as 15% of BIG10 athletes testing positive for Covid have been diagnosed with post-infection myocarditis (there other post-infection maladies appearing, including lung scarring, kidney damage, and general cardiovascular damage to name a few). Which, was one of the main reasons they have postponed all fall sports until Jan. 1st. The BIG10 medical advisory board that advised the school presidents is made of extremely well respected doctors and specialists from the various world renowned medical facilities connected to almost all of the BIG10 schools.
Having said all that, please explain with specifics why, if it's not safe for the BIG10 to play fall sports, how does it makes sense that it's safe enough for kids 6-18 years of age to play team contact sports?
2.) I’ve provided links to very recent studies that indicate that kids can carry infectious levels of virus in their noses for up to three weeks, which only heightens the risk of secondary infection to others more likely to have severe cases of the virus. As a reminder, here are a couple quotes from the South Korean study I referenced a couple days ago;
"In this case series study, inapparent infections in children may have been associated with silent COVID-19 transmission in the community," the researchers wrote in a new study."
""In this study, the authors estimate that 85 infected children (93%) would have been missed using a testing strategy focused on testing of symptomatic patients alone," they wrote."
Here’s my question…What’s your response to the concern by both medical experts and school/sports administrators, that by allowing youth/high school/college sports to play, especially team contact sports (especially those played indoors) could lead to significant secondary transmission to coaches, parents, siblings, and grandparents, many of whom may have underlying health issues (and for the grandparents their advanced age) which could lead to numerous negative outcomes?
3.) Since the virus is now considered to be aerosolized, thus significantly increasing the risk of infection in indoor situations, how do you feel school/sports administrators are able to justify that significantly increased risk when determining the viability of indoor team sports?
4.) Considering that USA Hockey and Minnesota Hockey aren’t at all liable for any Covid related legal challenges, whereas the MSHSL is, please explain why an MSHSL administrator should take on the risks of a player having a bad outcome due to Covid? Remember, all it takes is one kid out of the 1000’s that play sports to have a bad outcome that leads to legal action. And no, having them sign waivers isn’t an option as the legal validity of those in court often comes into question.
5.) I’ve mentioned this a few times before but, it’s awfully easy for anyone who isn’t required to put their name on the line in deciding whether kids can play or not and therefore accept the potential liability, to say “hey, these kids aren’t dying or even getting very sick so let’s play”.
My question is (for the 4th or 5th time), how many of you are currently serving in an administrative leadership position that will require you to determine whether your organization will/accept full liability for any Covid related legal challenges.?
Again, if most of you actually answer these questions in a legitimate, detailed manner, with supporting evidence, I promise that I will back off of posting Covid related items.
