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Media wrote:So Hockey Rube you are saying because Bemidji lost to Elk River 3 or 4 games into the season there is no chance for them to get better and perhaps defeat them sometime?? Curious,why we play tounaments then. Come on there have been bigger upsets already than that.

Not in the slightest. The original quote said "Bemidji will still get to state", and just think there is more competition in that region maybe. I could be wrong?

i think this conversation should also include moorhead, who beat holy angels the other day. Should be a good section tournament!

CLASS 1A
1. Blake
2. Roseau
3. Breck
4. Warroad
5. Alexandria
6. New Prague
7. Crookston/Red Lake
8. Hibbing/Chisholm
9. South St. Paul
10. Austin
11. Simley
12. Henry Sibley
13. Richfield
14. Mound-Westonka
15. East Grand Forks
16. (tie) Albert Lea
16. (tie) Mankato West
18. Marshall
19. Mahtomedi
20. (tie) Silver Bay/Two Harbors
20. (tie) Totino-Grace

ahh.. did you just make this up? or is it official? cuz dont they usually come out on wed/thursday?

GOCARDS1 wrote:ahh.. did you just make this up? or is it official? cuz dont they usually come out on wed/thursday?

Check her subject title: "MY SELECTION".

haha ok. sorry, didnt even see that.

12/6/07 Star Tribune - Provided by Let's Play Hockey newspaper
First-place votes are in parentheses

Class 2A:
1. Stillwater (4)
2. Eden Prairie
3. Holy Angels
4. Edina
5. Centennial
6. Grand Rapids-Greenway
6. Hopkins
8. Roseville
9. Benilde-St. Margaret's
10. Elk River
11. Irondale
12. Cretin-Derham Hall
13. Duluth
14. Eagan
15. Wayzata

Class 1A:
1. Blake (2)
2. Warroad (1)
3. Breck
4. Roseau
5. Crookston-Red Lake Falls
5. Alexandria
5. New Prague
8. South St. Paul
9. Hibbing-Chisholm
10. Silver Bay-Two Harbors
11. Henry Sibley
12. Mound Westonka
12. Richfield
12. East Grand Forks
15. Austin

New LPH rankings are posted:

Class AA
1 STILLWATER
2 Eden Prairie
3 Hopkins
4 Edina
5 Centennial
6 Holy Angels
6 Roseville
8 Grand Rapids/Greenway
9 Elk River
10 Duluth
11 Irondale
12 Benilde-St. Marg.
13 Cretin-Derham Hall
14 Eagan
15 Minnetonka
16 Wayzata
17 Forest Lake
18 Hill-Murray
18 Moorhead
20 Cloquet

Class A
1 BLAKE
2 Warroad
3 Breck
4 Roseau
5 Crookston/Red Lake
6 Alexandria
7 New Prague
8 East Grand Forks
8 South St. Paul
10 Mankato West
10 Mound-Westonka
12 Henry Sibley
13 Hibbing/Chisholm
14 Silver Bay/Two Harb.
15 Austin
16 Richfield
17 Totino-Grace
18 Albert Lea
18 Simley
20 Mahtomedi

Hopkins has made a very nice climb, from #13 in the first LPH poll, all the way to #3 this week. They are very good to be sure, but #3 may be stretching it just a bit.

They struggled some on Tuesday against Armstrong, a team that was just 1-8 coming into the game, and won by just a 2-1 score (the Armstrong goalie was very good, making 35 saves). Their two blemishes are their 0-2 loss to Centennial, which is ranked below them (?), and their tie against Burnsville, a team that's now just 2-5-2 and no longer ranked (?). Their 3-0 win over Edina was very impressive, however, as are their wins over Cloquet, Minnetonka and North St. Paul.

But overall at this point I'd put them at maybe #5 or #6. QRF still has them at #12, probably because their strength of schedule has not been all that strong overall.

It really bothers me when a highly ranked team wins every game in a given week and LPH drops them in the rankings.

boblee wrote:It really bothers me when a highly ranked team wins every game in a given week and LPH drops them in the rankings.

Agreed, very hard to figure. Could it have something to do with different evaluators doing the rankings from week to week? Don't know if this is the case or not, but they sure seem to be inconsistent.

How are they even figured? How is Roseville ranked that high?

boblee wrote:It really bothers me when a highly ranked team wins every game in a given week and LPH drops them in the rankings.

Exactly..."QRF" does the very same. Keep winning...beat good teams...keep dropping.

http://www.minnesota-scores.net./classq ... 10&class=3

Congrats to the Eastsiders ranked #8 in class A. They have played Crookston and Warroad tough this year but have yet to beat anyone except for Brainard which I'm not sure means much. Could someone explain to me why they are ranked so high?

The Pro

brookyone wrote:

boblee wrote:It really bothers me when a highly ranked team wins every game in a given week and LPH drops them in the rankings.

Exactly..."QRF" does the very same. Keep winning...beat good teams...keep dropping.

http://www.minnesota-scores.net./classq ... 10&class=3

I accept the flaws in a computer system. There is no reason for it in a human poll.

boblee wrote:I accept the flaws in a computer system. There is no reason for it in a human poll.

My only point is to convey my personal opinion that mathematically derived rankings, with the components used in the formula are not necessarily superior as per accuracy than a subjective human poll.

As for there being no reason for flaws in a human poll (if that's what you're saying) well, being humans, you have to expect opinions that lead to a particular vote will ultimately prove inaccurate from time to time.

In other words, no system is perfect...it's good they award the trophies based on results on the ice.

northlandpro wrote:Congrats to the Eastsiders ranked #8 in class A. They have played Crookston and Warroad tough this year but have yet to beat anyone except for Brainard which I'm not sure means much. Could someone explain to me why they are ranked so high?

The Pro

Didn't think s .

The Pro

well im not exactly sure why but its still early in the year the rankings change alot

hockeyperson wrote:well im not exactly sure why but its still early in the year the rankings change alot

There will be some corrections real soon.

im not trying to start anything at all but i am not sure if i would say corrections but just changes in the rankings

hockeyperson wrote:im not trying to start anything at all but i am not sure if i would say corrections but just changes in the rankings

Correction is a noun that equals the amount of change made in correcting.
I'll have to agree to disagree.


The Pro

LPH Rankings December 20, 2007

Class AA
1 STILLWATER
2 Eden Prairie
3 Edina
4 Hopkins
5 Centennial
6 Roseville
7 Grand Rapids/Greenway
7 Holy Angels
9 Elk River
10 Duluth
11 Irondale
12 Benilde-St. Marg.
13 Eagan
14 Minnetonka
15 Wayzata
16 Cretin-Derham Hall
17 Hill-Murray
18 Cloquet
19 Moorhead
20 Forest Lake

Class A
1 BLAKE
2 Warroad
3 Breck
4 Roseau
5 Alexandria
6 Crookston/Red Lake
7 New Prague
8 South St. Paul
9 Mankato West
10 East Grand Forks
11 Mound Westonka
12 Hibbing/Chisholm
13 Henry Sibley
14 Silver Bay/Two Harb.
15 Albert Lea
16 Richfield
17 Mahtomedi
18 Simley
19 Totino-Grace
20 Hutchinson

LPH Rankings January 4th, 2008

HOCKEY • GIRLS

Class 2A

1. Roseville
2. Stillwater
3. Grand Rapids/Greenway
4. Eden Prairie
5. Hopkins
6. Edina
7. Holy Angels
7. Irondale
9. Elk River
10. Duluth
11. Eagan
12. Centennial
12. Wayzata
14. Minnetonka
15. Blaine
16. Benilde-St. Marg.
16. Cloquet
18. Hill-Murray
19. Cretin-Derham Hall
19. Eastview

Class 1A

1. Blake
2. Warroad
3. Roseau
3. Alexandria
5. Breck
6. Crookston/Red Lake Falls
7. Mankato West
8. New Prague
9. South St. Paul
10. East Grand Forks
11. Henry Sibley
11. Hibbing/Chisholm
13. Mound-Westonka
14. Silver Bay/Two Harbors
14. Albert Lea
16. Hutchinson
17. Richfield
18. Simley
19. Totino-Grace
20. St. Paul United

Minnetonka just beat Duluth, yet Minnetonka stayed at 14 and Duluth stayed at 10? Saw Duluth girls at the Schwann cup; good skaters, good goalie, well-coached, but a close win over Mayo and loss to Tonka shouldn't have kept them ranked 10th. Duluth games vs. Warroad (1/5) and Edina (2/2) should be somewhat telling.

SEhockeyDAD wrote:Minnetonka just beat Duluth, yet Minnetonka stayed at 14 and Duluth stayed at 10? Saw Duluth girls at the Schwann cup; good skaters, good goalie, well-coached, but a close win over Mayo and loss to Tonka shouldn't have kept them ranked 10th. Duluth games vs. Warroad (1/5) and Edina (2/2) should be somewhat telling.

Good post, couldn't agree more. Not to mention the fact they were beaten in a close scoring game by Blaine and thumped hard by GRG just before Schwan. I would drop them behind Blaine and bump the rest with the exception of Centennial who I would also slide down a few spots. Having now seen each of these teams and about half of the single A leaders, I believe this to be a good set of rankings for the most part.