HighSchoolHockeyForums.com

tomASS wrote:

ironrangehockey55 wrote:Boogy i didn't say it's ok to take a shot at anyone. The difference is that you make a comment toward her and then you ask her questions. If dmom made a comment toward you, she is not trying to ask you questions, shes trying to avoid you. Thats all. please give tomass a date and time for your meeting so that this can be settled. who knows maybe you have more in common than what youthink

Thank you! - I already know I'm a ASSofa tom. Life's simple, but some insist on making it hard

Regarding costs (topic) comparing head to head costs only gives you a benchmark from where everyone works from. You also need to know the fixed and variable costs each association is working with and what the actual program provides in the way of value and benefit. Every Association is going to have different costs associated with the program that needs to be covered.

tASS- Thanks for clarifying! Can you answer this? Why are some associations more successfull than others? I doubt the drinking water is that much better in certain cities. Doesn't it all come down to developing the kids at a young age? Getting the parents and the community involved in the association? Brings everyone together and helps to have financial support.

Disclaimer: (please no digging for this one-general question)

Player commitment
hours of ice time
coaching
off season training
parent involvement
team chemistry
funds
numbers (assn. size)................all help.

tomASS- Please advise!

Last year mite. 108 hours of ice, 70% - 90 minute sessions, 40% shared ice, 4-5 coaches on ice, 2 goalie coaches, 17 players. 10 - squirt style games.
6 sessions of acceleration mn, dryland homework, Jersey, socks, gifts for completing homework all year.
$750 ASSOCIATION HOCKEY
IT CAN BE DONE AT HOME.

BoogeyMan wrote:tomASS- Please advise!

1) Fred has already given you a solid answer - stop being such a Barney

2) you will be advised when you give me an honest response to the question I have requested be answered over 3 times.

Hey Dmom, does your cost have any other fundraiser fee or volunteer fee assosiated with it? Many associations build in a fundraiser that they can get a part back very easily or they include a volunteer fee that can be given back once they complete their required hours.

Yes, BM is insane

Truthbetold wrote:Hey Dmom, does your cost have any other fundraiser fee or volunteer fee assosiated with it? Many associations build in a fundraiser that they can get a part back very easily or they include a volunteer fee that can be given back once they complete their required hours.

Yes, BM is insane

Truthbehold- That does mean a lot coming from you. A great hockey mind. Keep telling yourself that. I think others might believe you.

truthbetold- we actually have both of these, but they are in addition to the fees. a $125 raffle and one shift in the concession stand, neither of which need to cost a family. We are trying to build more ice, as we are still a growing association. tom is correct that each association will be in different stages of growth and the costs will vary because of this. Some of the city teams have very low costs because they have established gambling proceeds and arenas. Growing associations are still in the process of adding ice and income streams, we'll get there.

Great topic-

Minnetonka, I have 2 bantams and a u12. At registration I pay $1400.00 per bantam and $1500.00 for my u12. There are pre tryout clinic fees. We also have to write a check for $500.00 in case we don't do our 20 hours of concessions. And we had to buy 6 calanders per child at $20.00 per calander. (Which we are supposed tosell, but we only give away 2 prizes per month at around $50.00 each. Good luck selling those). Immediately after you are put on a team we are asked for an average of $200.00 per child for "team fund". And about a week after that sweatshirts and jackets average $160.00

Anyone have a Ti-35 here?

Btw-rarely does a team have a full sheet of ice to themselves.

KOHO wrote:Great topic-

Minnetonka, I have 2 bantams and a u12. At registration I pay $1400.00 per bantam and $1500.00 for my u12. There are pre tryout clinic fees. We also have to write a check for $500.00 in case we don't do our 20 hours of concessions. And we had to buy 6 calanders per child at $20.00 per calander. (Which we are supposed tosell, but we only give away 2 prizes per month at around $50.00 each. Good luck selling those). Immediately after you are put on a team we are asked for an average of $200.00 per child for "team fund". And about a week after that sweatshirts and jackets average $160.00

Anyone have a Ti-35 here?

Btw-rarely does a team have a full sheet of ice to themselves.

I can't comment on the cost of girls hockey, but I can regarding bantam and you will enjoy when they move to the HS level. Lower costs, a very set schedule with the only drawback being fewer games.

KOHO wrote:Great topic-

Minnetonka, I have 2 bantams and a u12. At registration I pay $1400.00 per bantam and $1500.00 for my u12. There are pre tryout clinic fees. We also have to write a check for $500.00 in case we don't do our 20 hours of concessions. And we had to buy 6 calanders per child at $20.00 per calander. (Which we are supposed tosell, but we only give away 2 prizes per month at around $50.00 each. Good luck selling those). Immediately after you are put on a team we are asked for an average of $200.00 per child for "team fund". And about a week after that sweatshirts and jackets average $160.00

Anyone have a Ti-35 here?

Btw-rarely does a team have a full sheet of ice to themselves.

Geez, it's not much more to play tier 1.

Boogeyman, about the piece of being a great hockey mind, I take acception to that (I may not know everything but I do know more than you). I would like to join Tomass on your date.

If we sit down and go over our collective hockey minds I will gaurantee that mine is much higher than yours. You are a complainer and not a solution orientated person. Your ignorance is your lack of courage to ask quesitons to clarify before you rip.

The insane comments come from first hand knowledge of all your local youth associations (baseball, hockey, football) President's or board members that state the same problem (you), and numerous parents that say they want nothing to do with any team your son plays on...not because of your son, but you... That is insane! I will ignore you as well from here on to save the rest of the posters from your issues, I know they are smart enough to get it by now.

Truthbehold- Please don't buy into what you hear.

Keep in mind that I never stated I know more than anyone. I'm happy for you that you know things about youth sports. Truth be told it doesn't impress me. Sorry! Keep in mind knowing alot about youth sports is impressive. But, it doesn't make you correct.

As for the parents comment. You have no idea. I've done nothing but help parents. In fact I see the same families that I always have.

If getting the kids free ice time at the Xcel for an hour is bad. Forgive me.

If signing kids up three times to skate at Mariucci between periods is bad. Forgive me!

If signing kids up to skate between a Wild game is bad. Forgive me!

If finding a sponsor for our Showcase team so the parents can save money is bad. Forgive me!

If buying the kids hockey sweatshirts is bad. Forgive me!

If volunteering to coach mini-mites is bad. Forgive me!

If running a summer hockey clinic is bad. Forgive me!

Besides our beloved misunderstood tomASS. There's only one person I have a problem with in our association. I can promise you that he knows nothing about youth hockey or sports in general. He's the one that's a pain in my ChanASS. He has single handedly made me look like a complainer.

As for being labeled a complainer. If asking questions is a complainer. Then yes I guess I'm a complainer. Once again. Some people make the simple things in life hard. Why? I simply ask why do we charge so much for Mite hockey? Without getting others involved. I was told things that were not correct. In fact I had proof. Instantly I was labeled as a over the top hockey parent.
In fact the same person I have trouble with has labeled me an over the top hockey parent.
Yet he built a back yard rink. And has his kid use the skating treadmill. I personally think that's great his kids get additional ice time. But please watch what you say. Don't label people over the top. When you have no clue.
I'm running into the same problems as many many hockey parents. It's really not that hard. Association members need to learn how to work with people. They need to learn how to be open to new suggestions and ideas.

By the way......... truth be told I emailed the president of the association a couple weeks back to let him know what a good job at starting a Rookie camp. This is something that I brought up two years ago. Next year it sounds like maybe our association is looking at allowing some Mites to skate with squirt "C". If the kids want to. And they are able to skate with the older kids. Why not? Once again. Really not that hard. Just do it. Truth be told I welcome any parent that has labeled me over the top to call me so we can discuss. Otherwise keep stabbing me in the back. Then I'll ask the question: "Who's the complainer now?"

Man up and give me a call. Quit hiding behind the keyboard.

tomASS- Do we have an opening for this mystery person for dinner?

watchdog wrote:are fees in roseau are nothing 50.00 for mites and squirts
120.00 for every thing else. its just the equipment (STICKS) and travel that really starts to rack up a bill. when you live roseau every where you go cost lots of money. im not gona complain i have about 6 years left to graduate two of them than its my money! ice fishin ice fishin ice fishin i dream of the days

Don't dream the best years of your life away!

elliott70 wrote:

watchdog wrote:are fees in roseau are nothing 50.00 for mites and squirts
120.00 for every thing else. its just the equipment (STICKS) and travel that really starts to rack up a bill. when you live roseau every where you go cost lots of money. im not gona complain i have about 6 years left to graduate two of them than its my money! ice fishin ice fishin ice fishin i dream of the days

Don't dream the best years of your life away!

Yep they grow up way too fast and what money you no longer have to spend on hockey will go to post graduate expenses ... Trust me.
Enjoy the moment.

all i can tell you is that 5 years ago a paid more for my daughter in dance competition than i did for my son in hockey, now that is crazy

whockeyguy wrote:all i can tell you is that 5 years ago a paid more for my daughter in dance competition than i did for my son in hockey, now that is crazy

the question then becomes how many dance outfits/costumes that were used one time now sit in some closet somewhere in your home.