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our coaches could not have done a better job. We had one of those rare hockey years when everything went well. When the benches were shortened, very infrequently, everyone knew why and backed the decisions. Not that the decisions were made by consensus, each of our coaches this year ran strong and decisive teams. The kids worked as teams and their skills improved. Years like this make youth hockey worthwhile. Thanks guys.

MnPride2 wrote:my "little johnny" is one of the goalies for said team,30-50 shots against most games...ya it`s him that`s one of the problems...why backcheck...why pick someone up...no disipline,no punishment... "attitudes"...no,the problem is/was caused by an association that won`t make an attempt to find quality non-parent coaches at the upper levels. They would rather have board members friends coach that way everything is "fair"...all the players get equal ice time no matter how lazy they are,just wouldn`t be right to bench little johnny or little billy,besides his dads a board member or his dads has friends on the board...wouldn`t want to cause any problems...

all teams have a parent with this attitude. what I told our's this year, "when the kids are trying out next year, you should be in coaching classes with the rest of the coaches". maybe then they will see it is not as easy as they think. (I am not a coach, just a parent sick of the bitch'n) In our case, the only kid being "lazy" was his.

Hockeyguy_27 wrote:

Hockey22 wrote:Like I said it is easier to blame someone else for problems that you or the other parents on your team have created with your attitudes. In this case maybe little Johnny has not fallen far from the tree.

Amen! Truer words have not been spoken.

This is my 14th year behind the bench and it seems every year the parents have become progressively less team oriented. Regardless of what you do as a coach, the yardstick most parents use to determine if you've done a good job coaching is directly proportional to how much ice team/special team time their kid received. Hockey is becoming an individual sport comprised of players who have become clinic hockey robots who are more concerned with their point production than being a part of team.

Next time someone complains about the coaching their child is receiving, ask them specifically what the problem is. I can almost guarantee you they will not be able to quantify their answer in terms that are logical from a hockey perspective.

Next time a coach says the parents are just complaining because their kid doesn't get the playing time, ask the coach if he can specifically tell you what the kid is doing wrong in relation to everyone else on the ice. I can almost gaurantee that they won't be able to quantify their answer in terms that are logical from a hockey perspective. Better yet ask them what they are doing to help them get to play more, since they picked them to play on their team.

Pride, is this the first year your son is playing at his current level, or is it the first year for the coach?

Next time a coach says the parents are just complaining because their kid doesn't get the playing time, ask the coach if he can specifically tell you what the kid is doing wrong in relation to everyone else on the ice. I can almost gaurantee that they won't be able to quantify their answer in terms that are logical from a hockey perspective. Better yet ask them what they are doing to help them get to play more, since they picked them to play on their team.[/quote]


GOOD ADVICE

Gorilla 1 my son is a 2nd yr Bantam,last yr B1 Bantam .930 sv%,1.29 ga,44-4,5th in state,Gruntcall...it`s very frustrating watching a goalie take 30-50 shots a game because of lazy kids and coaches that won`t disipline,it`s also very frustrating to listen to my son(who loves the game with a passion) talk about not wanting to play because he is not getting any help...as far as me coaching, i could never be a coach in our association...i would be way too hard on the kiddies!! I did not start this post,i only replied with "my" opinion, now i`m getting bashed for it...it is quite obvious only our coaches have problems,i`m happy for you all that your coaches are doing a great job! I done getting bashed,i apoligize for pissing people off! Good night...End of conversation guys!

MnPride2 wrote:Gorilla 1 my son is a 2nd yr Bantam,last yr B1 Bantam .930 sv%,1.29 ga,44-4,5th in state,Gruntcall...it`s very frustrating watching a goalie take 30-50 shots a game because of lazy kids and coaches that won`t disipline,it`s also very frustrating to listen to my son(who loves the game with a passion) talk about not wanting to play because he is not getting any help...as far as me coaching, i could never be a coach in our association...i would be way too hard on the kiddies!! I did not start this post,i only replied with "my" opinion, now i`m getting bashed for it...it is quite obvious only our coaches have problems,i`m happy for you all that your coaches are doing a great job! I done getting bashed,i apoligize for pissing people off! Good night...End of conversation guys!

Wow, you took the words out of my mouth for the most part. Unfortunately, my son (2nd year Bantam) plays in a small association, and is an unbelievable goalie, but unfortunately, he doesn't have the luxury of having a goalie coach, or get any work what so ever. So, as a parent, its frustrating watching a very talented kid go backwards. He has been very frustrated over this to the point of wanting to go up to high school early.

I see this as a trend in the state of hockey, and would love to see a program for coaches, that not only are they responsible for coaching the skaters, but having instruction on how to coach goalies as well. USA Hockey puts together a training video for coaches with drills and warm ups, but was there a segment on goalies? Nope! Time to start looking at the guys between the pipes as much or more, then those that skate out.

And, by the way, I don't blame the coaches for my kid going backwards. His coaches have always been great about communicating with us, and telling us they are trying their best, but feel like they don't have the ability to give him the same amount of time as the other kids. We see that as well, so we try to help as much as possible. We don't have the resources available to have a goalie coach, so we do what we can.

Just my opinion.

My son has had the benefit of playing under some great coaches the past few years. They have helped him to improve his game, but much more importantly, they have helped improve his life. They have helped instill in him the values of discipline, hard work, sportsmanship, teamwork and camaraderie. These values must begin at home; coaches should not be expected to substitute for good parenting. But I am pleased that the coaching staff reinforces these values. In the years to come, I hope my son will not only cherish the memories he has of playing hockey with his pals, but he will greatly benefit from the "life lessons" learned through his participation in youth sports.

NO The kids keep winning, costing me a ton of money for travel. The kids look like a real team. DO you know how much this will cost me in the long run?
Most coaches are doing a Great job this year.

bigpoppababy wrote:

MnPride2 wrote:Gorilla 1 my son is a 2nd yr Bantam,last yr B1 Bantam .930 sv%,1.29 ga,44-4,5th in state,Gruntcall...it`s very frustrating watching a goalie take 30-50 shots a game because of lazy kids and coaches that won`t disipline,it`s also very frustrating to listen to my son(who loves the game with a passion) talk about not wanting to play because he is not getting any help...as far as me coaching, i could never be a coach in our association...i would be way too hard on the kiddies!! I did not start this post,i only replied with "my" opinion, now i`m getting bashed for it...it is quite obvious only our coaches have problems,i`m happy for you all that your coaches are doing a great job! I done getting bashed,i apoligize for pissing people off! Good night...End of conversation guys!

Wow, you took the words out of my mouth for the most part. Unfortunately, my son (2nd year Bantam) plays in a small association, and is an unbelievable goalie, but unfortunately, he doesn't have the luxury of having a goalie coach, or get any work what so ever. So, as a parent, its frustrating watching a very talented kid go backwards. He has been very frustrated over this to the point of wanting to go up to high school early.

I see this as a trend in the state of hockey, and would love to see a program for coaches, that not only are they responsible for coaching the skaters, but having instruction on how to coach goalies as well. USA Hockey puts together a training video for coaches with drills and warm ups, but was there a segment on goalies? Nope! Time to start looking at the guys between the pipes as much or more, then those that skate out.

And, by the way, I don't blame the coaches for my kid going backwards. His coaches have always been great about communicating with us, and telling us they are trying their best, but feel like they don't have the ability to give him the same amount of time as the other kids. We see that as well, so we try to help as much as possible. We don't have the resources available to have a goalie coach, so we do what we can.

Just my opinion.

That is truly unfortunate. There are clinics for "non-goalie" goalie coaching. Steve Carroll runs goalie coaching clinics that go over basics with drills, methods of evaluating, skating specifics for goalies, etc.. . and best of all, it qualifies for the coaches level 3 recertification. If you contact him, Steve will travel and provide his clinic at rural locations. You are absolutely right that we ignore our goalies, but it doesn't have to be this way!!!!!

CoachJ wrote:Next time a coach says the parents are just complaining because their kid doesn't get the playing time, ask the coach if he can specifically tell you what the kid is doing wrong in relation to everyone else on the ice. I can almost gaurantee that they won't be able to quantify their answer in terms that are logical from a hockey perspective. Better yet ask them what they are doing to help them get to play more, since they picked them to play on their team.

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This is exactly what I'm talking about. Why should a coach have to explain his decisions to parents? It is high maintenance parents like this who drive good coaches out and create kids who can't take direction and blame everyone else for their problems. If your kid wants to know why is isn't on the number one power play, then the kid needs to ask the coach. If the coach can't or won't explain what the child needs to work on then the coach isn't doing his job.

The reason your son isn't on the #1 PP or PK or top line?

BECAUSE HE IS NOT BETTER THAN THE GROUP THAT IS THERE

OR THE COACH IS LOOKING FOR BALANCE

OR YOUR KID DOESN'T LISTEN OR GET THE JOB DONE

DON'T TELL PEOPLE THAT YOUR KID SHOULD BE THERE OR HE WOULD BE.

bigpoppababy wrote:

MnPride2 wrote:Gorilla 1 my son is a 2nd yr Bantam,last yr B1 Bantam .930 sv%,1.29 ga,44-4,5th in state,Gruntcall...it`s very frustrating watching a goalie take 30-50 shots a game because of lazy kids and coaches that won`t disipline,it`s also very frustrating to listen to my son(who loves the game with a passion) talk about not wanting to play because he is not getting any help...as far as me coaching, i could never be a coach in our association...i would be way too hard on the kiddies!! I did not start this post,i only replied with "my" opinion, now i`m getting bashed for it...it is quite obvious only our coaches have problems,i`m happy for you all that your coaches are doing a great job! I done getting bashed,i apoligize for pissing people off! Good night...End of conversation guys!

Wow, you took the words out of my mouth for the most part. Unfortunately, my son (2nd year Bantam) plays in a small association, and is an unbelievable goalie, but unfortunately, he doesn't have the luxury of having a goalie coach, or get any work what so ever. So, as a parent, its frustrating watching a very talented kid go backwards. He has been very frustrated over this to the point of wanting to go up to high school early.

I see this as a trend in the state of hockey, and would love to see a program for coaches, that not only are they responsible for coaching the skaters, but having instruction on how to coach goalies as well. USA Hockey puts together a training video for coaches with drills and warm ups, but was there a segment on goalies? Nope! Time to start looking at the guys between the pipes as much or more, then those that skate out.

And, by the way, I don't blame the coaches for my kid going backwards. His coaches have always been great about communicating with us, and telling us they are trying their best, but feel like they don't have the ability to give him the same amount of time as the other kids. We see that as well, so we try to help as much as possible. We don't have the resources available to have a goalie coach, so we do what we can.

Just my opinion.

Our Association is blessed to have many GREAT Coaches at all of the levels. But, with respect to coaching goalies, it is absolutely irresponsible to have a coach say "I don't know how to coach goalies, usually we have a parent on ice to give them some attention".
The fact of the matter is you (coaches, not all) don't want to train yourself on how to teach goalies.
I'm not bashing you either because,
at the goalie position, it is very individualized training with certain "save selections" and all of this must happen while teaching team concepts to the goalie and the rest of the team.
One coach told me that you can't expect clinic style coaching on goalies during an hour of practice. He was right!
However, having said that, goalie training should be worked into a practice plan at least once a week or more. Just like teaching a defenseman how and when to pinch you can learn and teach goalies what to look for in certain situations. Good coaches can and will do that.
The last time I checked the goalie parents paid the same amount of team fees $$$$ as did the rest of the parents, but all to common to receive only 5% of the coaching. Sometimes the coaching is "stop the puck, that's your job" without instruction of how to.
MnPride2...your Bantam B1 stats from last year were quite impressive. It's a safe assumption that he played A level bantam this year? A lot of coaches would say to themselves I'm not wrecking a good thing I'll just leave well enough alone with those numbers.
I also have a second year bantam goalie and have seen the ups and downs of being a goalie parent but I think we place unrealistic expectations upon our kids at that position and should just ask them if they had fun more often. It took me 7 years of hockey parenting to learn that. (and I still slip from time to time).

On the record. My kid had a great coaching tandem the last 2 years. I am very pleased with the Bantam years. I didn't always see eye to eye with him but he is the coach and I am not and that's the way it is sometimes.