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I will take the numbers if all other things are equal but just raw enrollment numbers are meaningles if everybody in your school is a basketball player.

Many kids go to schols where football is king so that's what they play.

Why is EP unbeatable in football but just pretty good in hockey? Same numbers.

Why does CDH have 12 baseball titles, numerous football state appearrances and trophies and 2 for hockey? Same numbers.

Numbers is the name of a TV show and thats about it.

yasoguy wrote:The number of students is, in my opinion not a factor.

Look at the list of state champs in the last two decades of the unified class and then say that again with a straight face.

I’m not arguing that student enrollment is the sole factor of success. But, to say this:

yasoguy wrote:The number of students is, in my opinion not a factor.

Is silly.

Enrollment, while not the sole factor, is an incredibly key factor.

yasoguy wrote: 1. Ice Time: Ice time in Roseau is Free... Well, not free to the tax paying citizens of Roseau, but to the everday users. I'm betting Ice time in nearly every other city in NOT free. Far from it. This most certainly will keep a large number of potential hockey players looking for other sports and/or interests.

2. Related to Ice Time: (Number of Ice Sheets available per Child)
Not sure what the break down (exact hours) available to kids wanting to skate and/or play hockey in Roseau is, but I'm betting money that there is much more time to sharpen their skills over a given time.

I would suggest that kids in, say, Edina can buy all of the ice time they want...and then some.

That being said, it would be interesting to see how much ice time different teams do have.

yasoguy wrote:3. From the start (Tiny Mites age) ALL kids try hockey in Roseau. Many stay with hockey. There are far more "Feeder Programs" for other sports in large metro cities. While Basketball has improved over the years in Roseau (with exception to this year), feed programs are hit and miss to say the least.

That goes directly to my point that these larger school systems are simply failing to capitalize on the inherent advantage that a larger enrollment affords them.

yasoguy wrote:4. All this being said, I will cheer for Roseau.

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GO RAMS!

And you won’t be alone. If the Title game is between Roseau and Edina, then everyone (or nearly so) will be rooting for Roseau—other than those from Edina. Why? David against Goliath.

Is it all Roseau kids in the hockey system. Or do they get non-Roseau hockey players through open enrollment?

ozzie679 wrote:Is it all Roseau kids in the hockey system. Or do they get non-Roseau hockey players through open enrollment?

This year's team.
Was everyone born in Roseau? NO
Were they recruited? NO
Every kid did play Bantams in Roseau.

ACTUALFORMERPLAYER wrote:

ozzie679 wrote:Is it all Roseau kids in the hockey system. Or do they get non-Roseau hockey players through open enrollment?

This year's team.
Was everyone born in Roseau? NO
Were they recruited? NO
Every kid did play Bantams in Roseau.

Do their families live in the Roseau school district?

ozzie679 wrote:

ACTUALFORMERPLAYER wrote:

ozzie679 wrote:Is it all Roseau kids in the hockey system. Or do they get non-Roseau hockey players through open enrollment?

This year's team.
Was everyone born in Roseau? NO
Were they recruited? NO
Every kid did play Bantams in Roseau.

Do their families live in the Roseau school district?

Every one.

packerboy wrote:Less filling, tastes great.

I will take the numbers if all other things are equal but just raw enrollment numbers are meaningles if everybody in your school is a basketball player.

Many kids go to schols where football is king so that's what they play.

Why is EP unbeatable in football but just pretty good in hockey? Same numbers.

Why does CDH have 12 baseball titles, numerous football state appearrances and trophies and 2 for hockey? Same numbers.

Numbers is the name of a TV show and thats about it.

How about Becker, stand alone really good football, but even with a 3 school coop they don't produce a good hockey product.??

ACTUALFORMERPLAYER wrote:

ozzie679 wrote:

ACTUALFORMERPLAYER wrote: This year's team.
Was everyone born in Roseau? NO
Were they recruited? NO
Every kid did play Bantams in Roseau.

Do their families live in the Roseau school district?

Every one.

I think every kid played for Roseau from Squirts on up, with the exception of Nick Oliver who was--I think this is true--a PeeWee when his family moved to Wanaska (a suburb of Roseau!). Besides that the kids were either born in Roseau or they had a parent from Roseau that wanted to move the family up nort'. (Somebody correct me, if I am wrong...)

Can't Never Tried wrote:

packerboy wrote:Less filling, tastes great.

I will take the numbers if all other things are equal but just raw enrollment numbers are meaningles if everybody in your school is a basketball player.

Many kids go to schols where football is king so that's what they play.

Why is EP unbeatable in football but just pretty good in hockey? Same numbers.

Why does CDH have 12 baseball titles, numerous football state appearrances and trophies and 2 for hockey? Same numbers.

Numbers is the name of a TV show and thats about it.

How about Becker, stand alone really good football, but even with a 3 school coop they don't produce a good hockey product.??

Maybe they should co-op with someone else?

ACTUALFORMERPLAYER wrote:

ozzie679 wrote:

ACTUALFORMERPLAYER wrote: This year's team.
Was everyone born in Roseau? NO
Were they recruited? NO
Every kid did play Bantams in Roseau.

Do their families live in the Roseau school district?

Every one.

That shoots down any arguments about the abuse of open enrollment for athletics. It's amazing that they are this good with exclusively Roseau kids. They must have incredible youth coaching.

ozzie679 wrote: That shoots down any arguments about the abuse of open enrollment for athletics. It's amazing that they are this good with exclusively Roseau kids. They must have incredible youth coaching.

Ozzie, where would the open-enrollment kids come from? Roseau is the only thing up there.

ozzie679 wrote: That shoots down any arguments about the abuse of open enrollment for athletics. It's amazing that they are this good with exclusively Roseau kids. They must have incredible youth coaching.

Great coaching indeed. Also fabulous facilities, very strong community backing, and a storied history that makes you work harder than just about anyone else. Combine that with all the best athletes in town and you've built yourself a winner. Even if your "witto".

O-townClown wrote:

ozzie679 wrote: That shoots down any arguments about the abuse of open enrollment for athletics. It's amazing that they are this good with exclusively Roseau kids. They must have incredible youth coaching.

Ozzie, where would the open-enrollment kids come from? Roseau is the only thing up there.

You are correct, sir. They don't like recruiting--and, if they did where would they come from? Warroad would be the only possibility.

O-townClown wrote:

ozzie679 wrote: That shoots down any arguments about the abuse of open enrollment for athletics. It's amazing that they are this good with exclusively Roseau kids. They must have incredible youth coaching.

Ozzie, where would the open-enrollment kids come from? Roseau is the only thing up there.

Couldn't kids come from anywhere if they had somebody to live with? Obviously that's not happening up there. But it could happen.

You have a rink that is open 24 hrs a day - kids can skate on it whenever they want. Do you think big schools like Blaine have that opportunity? No, they have their 2 hours scheduled a day. You look at most of your better hockey players that have come from or are still playing in this state and they will tell you "shinny hockey" is a big reason for their success. So, we may have more bodies down here, but lets take a look at ice time - which is a huge factor!

How many kids go out for hockey in Roseau? Do they have tryouts and have to make cuts?

there is obviously several factors in this argument, and it seems each side is ignoring the other sides thoughts. also, roseau opted into AA so they are saying everybody else can shove their numbers. i'd say i have a better numbers argumet. this year, luverne's team couldn't even fill 3 full lines. on top of that, two of the players have only been skating for 3-4 years. that is only 2 full lines of experienced players, and a lot of these players wouldn't play on an edina jv team. then luverne has to put these two lines against a mankato team.

hero12 wrote:there is obviously several factors in this argument, and it seems each side is ignoring the other sides thoughts. also, roseau opted into AA so they are saying everybody else can shove their numbers. i'd say i have a better numbers argumet. this year, luverne's team couldn't even fill 3 full lines. on top of that, two of the players have only been skating for 3-4 years. that is only 2 full lines of experienced players, and a lot of these players wouldn't play on an edina jv team. then luverne has to put these two lines against a mankato team.

Since we are comparing good programs this belongs in a different thread.

ozzie679 wrote:How many kids go out for hockey in Roseau? Do they have tryouts and have to make cuts?

The numbers range from 35 to close to 50. Many kids have been cut over the years. Other years we could have used a couple to fill up the JV.

ACTUALFORMERPLAYER wrote:

ozzie679 wrote:How many kids go out for hockey in Roseau? Do they have tryouts and have to make cuts?

The numbers range from 35 to close to 50. Many kids have been cut over the years. Other years we could have used a couple to fill up the JV.

The numbers are actually lower than I thought.

Neutron 14 wrote:

ozzie679 wrote: That shoots down any arguments about the abuse of open enrollment for athletics. It's amazing that they are this good with exclusively Roseau kids. They must have incredible youth coaching.

Great coaching indeed. Also fabulous facilities, very strong community backing, and a storied history that makes you work harder than just about anyone else. Combine that with all the best athletes in town and you've built yourself a winner. Even if your "witto".

Two factors 1) North Rink
2) kids that use it. Instead of going to the mall to hang out with friends or sit in front of the xbox and drink mountain dew all night Roseau's got kids that play 3-4 hours a night.

No metro kid can make the argument that its not possible to get as much ice time. There's an outdoor rink every 50'

MrRoseau wrote:

DubCHAGuy wrote:So, big schools have more kids to choose from??? Thanks for the update.

Yes, it is painful to have to point out such an obvious fact . But, it is, apparently, necessary to do so when people claim that a huge enrollment confers no advantage to a school.

Size does matter!!! But not when you can fly them in and have them work at the big yellow or big white buildings! Go Lakeville!

I witnesed in the cities in january kids waiting in line for a skating tredmill when there was a outdoor rink no more than 100 yards away not being used. Kids learn how to play the game on the ice not on a tredmill