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Govie wrote:

TheNightman wrote:Some of the names being mentioned on here are absolutely ridiculous, Matt Smaby and Mark Stuart? Also, Ballard and Niskanen will probably never be all stars and Peter Mueller is not "great". The cream of the crop right now is Parise, Byfuglien, David Backes, Langenbrunner, and Leopold and Gologoski are both having good years. Erik Johnson, Oshie and Okposo definitely have bright futures too.

I wish we could (fully) claim Oshie, but unfortunately he was not MN born. Otherwise, yeah, he's MN through and through.

Yeah I know he was born in Washington, I was just hoping no one would call me out on that one. Very good call on Stepan though, he's going to be a good one.

Govie wrote:

25 sheet power wrote:big buff is not minnesota made.

Are you smoking crack? His father was a football player at SCSU where he met Buff's mother and then split. He was raised in Roseau and due to poor grades went into Juniors and skipped out on the HS scene.

Also, forgot to mention Derek Stepan. Captained America's U-20 to gold last year and scored a hat trick for the Rangers in the preseason. Kid is going to be on America's next (gold-medal-winning) olympic team in three years - perhaps an alternate captain. Mark my words.

If I remember correctly he scored a hat trick in the first game of the regular season.

mnhockey9009 wrote:I have not seen this 96 machine team, but heard many good things. Also was at their rink the other day, and saw all the trophies the 96 machine has one in the last 2 years. I counted at least 10 champions. But the 96 machine shall never be compared to the 88's until they quit with the pretty pretty jersey's and go to the old school practice jerseys, but original color. Not orange.

I had the pleasure of working with this group for a couple years, Tyler Nanne is a stud. I'm not sure if there is/was "next level" talent though. Those special ones are so few and far between.

best McMade nhl'er talent: I'd have to go with (current) Mueller, (overall) E. Johnson.

Past: N. Broten, D. Christian and P. Housley

Current: Z. Parise, T. Oshie, D. Backes, A. Goligoski and P. Martin

Future: N. Bjugstad, D. Stepan, N. Leddy and J. Gardiner

WAY Future "Chrystal Ball Picks:" : D. Forbort, K. Rau, H. Fasching, and T. Cammarata.

Govie wrote: Also, forgot to mention Derek Stepan. Captained America's U-20 to gold last year and scored a hat trick for the Rangers in the preseason. Kid is going to be on America's next (gold-medal-winning) olympic team in three years - perhaps an alternate captain. Mark my words.

Stepan has a really bright future, no doubt, but realize that the 2010 US team had just 2 forwards over 27 years old. If he makes the team I will be somewhat surprised.

The ones I could see possibly putting themselves in the Housley/Broten conversation some day are Zach Parise and David Backes.

DubCHAGuy wrote:

Govie wrote: Also, forgot to mention Derek Stepan. Captained America's U-20 to gold last year and scored a hat trick for the Rangers in the preseason. Kid is going to be on America's next (gold-medal-winning) olympic team in three years - perhaps an alternate captain. Mark my words.

Stepan has a really bright future, no doubt, but realize that the 2010 US team had just 2 forwards over 27 years old. If he makes the team I will be somewhat surprised.

The ones I could see possibly putting themselves in the Housley/Broten conversation some day are Zach Parise and David Backes.

Guaranteed he is on the Georgia Games' team. To this day I can't believe Buff wasn't on our Silver medal team in Vancouver, but he didn't really REALLY break out until the playoffs when he lead everyone in goals scored en route to the Hawks' Cup championship.

Stepand is going to be a superstar, I believe. Now if only the Wild would have kept Gaborik and somehow have secured Stepan, we would be a beast!

hockeyfan893 wrote:I feel like there is some confusion in this thread between Minnesota-born NHLers and Minnesota Made (Bernie's Program) NHLers.

Can someone please clarify?

I only consider someone who was born on MN soil, technically, true Minnesotans', sort of like a person born in America versus a person born in Canada.

Brettu Hull played for UMD and played for the US in American hockey competition, but he was born in Canada, so he is a tricky case (and there are similar cases).

BTW, what the heck is "Bernie" made? Who is this Bernie?

Govie wrote:

hockeyfan893 wrote:I feel like there is some confusion in this thread between Minnesota-born NHLers and Minnesota Made (Bernie's Program) NHLers.

Can someone please clarify?

I only consider someone who was born on MN soil, technically, true Minnesotans', sort of like a person born in America versus a person born in Canada.

BTW, what the heck is "Bernie" made? Who is this Bernie?

What about a good born in another state, but moves to Minnesota as an infant? Is he not considered made in Minnesota??

Parise , and Buff. Past guys Housley, Broten. Buff is mn!!!!

Sidney Crosby played at SSM. Does that count?

mulefarm wrote:Sidney Crosby played at SSM. Does that count?

Cindy doesn't count.

muckandgrind wrote:

Govie wrote:

hockeyfan893 wrote:I feel like there is some confusion in this thread between Minnesota-born NHLers and Minnesota Made (Bernie's Program) NHLers.

Can someone please clarify?

I only consider someone who was born on MN soil, technically, true Minnesotans', sort of like a person born in America versus a person born in Canada.

BTW, what the heck is "Bernie" made? Who is this Bernie?

What about a good born in another state, but moves to Minnesota as an infant? Is he not considered made in Minnesota??

I guess, but I am just posting kids that have been born here. There isn't another state in the union with a comparable youth system, so those who've came up through the ranks I suppose count. But again, the guys I've listed are only those who are natives.

PuckU126 wrote:

mulefarm wrote:Sidney Crosby played at SSM. Does that count?

Cindy doesn't count.

Cindy with the cup ring?

My bad I thought Minnesota made was talking about where they learned their game.

So Oshie is out because he's from WA? Buff is out because he didn't play HS? How about we compromise and say it's anybody who played bantams in Minnesota? It's a nice formative age, and it should catch most of the guys we want it to catch. Deal?

The Exiled One wrote:So Oshie is out because he's from WA? Buff is out because he didn't play HS? How about we compromise and say it's anybody who played bantams in Minnesota? It's a nice formative age, and it should catch most of the guys we want it to catch. Deal?

While Oshie was born in Washington, he didn't lace up the ice skates until he moved to Warroad. I don't know HOW you wouldn't consider him to be "Minnesota Made".

...and Byguglien was also developed as a hockey player in Minnesota and the fact that he didn't play HS hockey in Minnesota shouldn't be held against him. Hell, if that was the creteria, shouldn't Leopold and any other player that goes to Ann Arbor to play in the NTDP also be disqualified?

IMO, if you played hockey in Minnesota during your formative years, you should be considered "Minnesota Made". It shouldn't matter what state is listed on their birth certificate. Crosby doesn't count as he only played at Shattuck of one year of high school.

muckandgrind wrote:

The Exiled One wrote:So Oshie is out because he's from WA? Buff is out because he didn't play HS? How about we compromise and say it's anybody who played bantams in Minnesota? It's a nice formative age, and it should catch most of the guys we want it to catch. Deal?

While Oshie was born in Washington, he didn't lace up the ice skates until he moved to Warroad. I don't know HOW you wouldn't consider him to be "Minnesota Made".

...and Byguglien was also developed as a hockey player in Minnesota and the fact that he didn't play HS hockey in Minnesota shouldn't be held against him. Hell, if that was the creteria, shouldn't Leopold and any other player that goes to Ann Arbor to play in the NTDP also be disqualified?

IMO, if you played hockey in Minnesota during your formative years, you should be considered "Minnesota Made". It shouldn't matter what state is listed on their birth certificate. Crosby doesn't count as he only played at Shattuck of one year of high school.

Did you read all of my post? My suggestion includes both Oshie and Byfuglien and excludes Crosby. Deal?

The Exiled One wrote:

muckandgrind wrote:

The Exiled One wrote:So Oshie is out because he's from WA? Buff is out because he didn't play HS? How about we compromise and say it's anybody who played bantams in Minnesota? It's a nice formative age, and it should catch most of the guys we want it to catch. Deal?

While Oshie was born in Washington, he didn't lace up the ice skates until he moved to Warroad. I don't know HOW you wouldn't consider him to be "Minnesota Made".

...and Byguglien was also developed as a hockey player in Minnesota and the fact that he didn't play HS hockey in Minnesota shouldn't be held against him. Hell, if that was the creteria, shouldn't Leopold and any other player that goes to Ann Arbor to play in the NTDP also be disqualified?

IMO, if you played hockey in Minnesota during your formative years, you should be considered "Minnesota Made". It shouldn't matter what state is listed on their birth certificate. Crosby doesn't count as he only played at Shattuck of one year of high school.

Did you read all of my post? My suggestion includes both Oshie and Byfuglien and excludes Crosby. Deal?

Wasn't arguing with you....just expanding on your point.

muckandgrind wrote: Wasn't arguing with you....just expanding on your point.

Gotcha.

The Exiled One wrote:

muckandgrind wrote:

The Exiled One wrote:So Oshie is out because he's from WA? Buff is out because he didn't play HS? How about we compromise and say it's anybody who played bantams in Minnesota? It's a nice formative age, and it should catch most of the guys we want it to catch. Deal?

While Oshie was born in Washington, he didn't lace up the ice skates until he moved to Warroad. I don't know HOW you wouldn't consider him to be "Minnesota Made".

...and Byguglien was also developed as a hockey player in Minnesota and the fact that he didn't play HS hockey in Minnesota shouldn't be held against him. Hell, if that was the creteria, shouldn't Leopold and any other player that goes to Ann Arbor to play in the NTDP also be disqualified?

IMO, if you played hockey in Minnesota during your formative years, you should be considered "Minnesota Made". It shouldn't matter what state is listed on their birth certificate. Crosby doesn't count as he only played at Shattuck of one year of high school.

Did you read all of my post? My suggestion includes both Oshie and Byfuglien and excludes Crosby. Deal?

I think the OP is referring to players that come from the Machine/other Bernie teams. Buff didn't ever play for him. Out of that you're looking at guys like Okposo and Johnson.

HockeyMN1 wrote:

The Exiled One wrote:

muckandgrind wrote:
While Oshie was born in Washington, he didn't lace up the ice skates until he moved to Warroad. I don't know HOW you wouldn't consider him to be "Minnesota Made".

...and Byguglien was also developed as a hockey player in Minnesota and the fact that he didn't play HS hockey in Minnesota shouldn't be held against him. Hell, if that was the creteria, shouldn't Leopold and any other player that goes to Ann Arbor to play in the NTDP also be disqualified?

IMO, if you played hockey in Minnesota during your formative years, you should be considered "Minnesota Made". It shouldn't matter what state is listed on their birth certificate. Crosby doesn't count as he only played at Shattuck of one year of high school.

Did you read all of my post? My suggestion includes both Oshie and Byfuglien and excludes Crosby. Deal?

I think the OP is referring to players that come from the Machine/other Bernie teams. Buff didn't ever play for him. Out of that you're looking at guys like Okposo and Johnson.

Was Minnesota Made around for Okposo and Johnson? I realize that Bernie coached them for a period of time....but didn't think he started Minnesota Made yet.

muckandgrind wrote:

HockeyMN1 wrote:

The Exiled One wrote: Did you read all of my post? My suggestion includes both Oshie and Byfuglien and excludes Crosby. Deal?

I think the OP is referring to players that come from the Machine/other Bernie teams. Buff didn't ever play for him. Out of that you're looking at guys like Okposo and Johnson.

Was Minnesota Made around for Okposo and Johnson? I realize that Bernie coached them for a period of time....but didn't think he started Minnesota Made yet.

No, but they were both part of the fabled "88's."

This was my interpretation of the original post as well.

rhino06 wrote:

PuckU126 wrote:

mulefarm wrote:Sidney Crosby played at SSM. Does that count?

Cindy doesn't count.

Cindy with the cup ring?

And a gold medal.

i will spell it for you Paul Holmgren

Paul Holmgren...flyers you remember player and coach


Paul Holmgren 500 138 171 309 1600 1975-1984 9 F 12/2/1955 St. Paul, MN


the 500 is games..1600 pim


won a few cups on the ice and behind the bench


oh yeah herb should count too