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and/or Schmidt before and after FASRGO St. Cloud Cathedral

EREmpireStrikesBack wrote:

puck19 wrote:Breakout you still have not mentioned what private school you are referring to, the only other one in the metro I can think of besides St. Thomas is Hill Murray, and this was already done a few years back with Larson he tried juniors and decided to stay at high school he still ket the c patch and there were no problems there. So do you think at this particular school your talking about it is causing problems the kid is not a role model. So what if you think he should stay the choice is not yours to make. Maybe you are just hearing plenty of rumours that continue to spread through out te summer.

Give it up.

And I agree with the captaincy being a popularity contest. The last one at ER that I can think of that wasn't a star player (those who got it most years deserved it, a couple didn't) was Andy Crook. Leadership was his best attribute by far and his teammates recognized that.

I've been redeemed, ER agrees with me

puck19 wrote:Breakout you still have not mentioned what private school you are referring to, the only other one in the metro I can think of besides St. Thomas is Hill Murray, and this was already done a few years back with Larson he tried juniors and decided to stay at high school he still ket the c patch and there were no problems there. So do you think at this particular school your talking about it is causing problems the kid is not a role model. So what if you think he should stay the choice is not yours to make. Maybe you are just hearing plenty of rumours that continue to spread through out te summer.

Do you think there are only two private schools in the TC metro?

Mark Alt - Cretin? Mike Falvey - SPA? Sam Blaisdell - MA?

hockeyboys wrote:Mark Alt - Cretin? Mike Falvey - SPA? Sam Blaisdell - MA?

No, pretty sure the player in question here is Pat Borer from BSM.

formerly7aafan wrote:

GR3343 wrote:

formerly7aafan wrote:My personal opinion is that in an awful lot of cases, the High School captaincy is nothing more than another perk for the team "star" and way to often doesn't necessarily reflect his leadership. IMO, kids will often vote for the player who is expected to get the award because he is going to be the teams top player and consequently will end up on the ice probably 40% of the time in a typical HS game, whether they believe he is the best representative for them. Aside from maybe showing a little initiative when "captains practice" time rolls around, where do you see todays HS captains honestly making an impression on his team? I'm guessing that a lot of the "strip him" comments on here are coming more from old guard type hockey fans as opposed to recent players in tune to todays locker rooms.

I whole heartedly disagree with this statement, and the other statement made about the captaincy being a popularity contest. In my opinion, the captains that I've seen voted for in GR have absolutely deserved them. Those chosen became great leaders and role models to the younger players. On and off the ice. Several of them were stars as you put it, but several were not. They all were complete team guys and pretty much played for the guy sitting next to him. Also, they helped with the development of the younger players through encouragement and by setting good examples. GR has been blessed with some great players over the years, and those chosen as captains flourished because of it, and the teams have always followed their lead. Hopefully the trend continues this season with the three guys chosen to lead.

I would love to hear the name of one captain in GR that you would have NOT considered a star. I don't necessarily agree myself that it is a popularity contest, but I RARELY, if ever, see the case where the chosen captain, whether he be chosen by the players isn't the most recognizable star on the team. I await the day that the second line HS left wing gets the "C", not the "A", and gets recognized for his ability to be respected by his teammates, or coach, for his intelligence and leadership on the ice, rather than his goal scoring ability.

Not 100% sure of which guy it was, but I think it was either Welliver or Glorvigen that was a recent captain. Neither were stars, but brought a lot to the table as far as leadership.

EREmpireStrikesBack wrote:

puck19 wrote:Breakout you still have not mentioned what private school you are referring to, the only other one in the metro I can think of besides St. Thomas is Hill Murray, and this was already done a few years back with Larson he tried juniors and decided to stay at high school he still ket the c patch and there were no problems there. So do you think at this particular school your talking about it is causing problems the kid is not a role model. So what if you think he should stay the choice is not yours to make. Maybe you are just hearing plenty of rumours that continue to spread through out te summer.

Give it up.

And I agree with the captaincy being a popularity contest. The last one at ER that I can think of that wasn't a star player (those who got it most years deserved it, a couple didn't) was Andy Crook. Leadership was his best attribute by far and his teammates recognized that.

Great point EREmpire...Spark is my cousin; he was a great captain and a very crafty with the stickwork!

GR3343 wrote:

formerly7aafan wrote:

GR3343 wrote: I whole heartedly disagree with this statement, and the other statement made about the captaincy being a popularity contest. In my opinion, the captains that I've seen voted for in GR have absolutely deserved them. Those chosen became great leaders and role models to the younger players. On and off the ice. Several of them were stars as you put it, but several were not. They all were complete team guys and pretty much played for the guy sitting next to him. Also, they helped with the development of the younger players through encouragement and by setting good examples. GR has been blessed with some great players over the years, and those chosen as captains flourished because of it, and the teams have always followed their lead. Hopefully the trend continues this season with the three guys chosen to lead.

I would love to hear the name of one captain in GR that you would have NOT considered a star. I don't necessarily agree myself that it is a popularity contest, but I RARELY, if ever, see the case where the chosen captain, whether he be chosen by the players isn't the most recognizable star on the team. I await the day that the second line HS left wing gets the "C", not the "A", and gets recognized for his ability to be respected by his teammates, or coach, for his intelligence and leadership on the ice, rather than his goal scoring ability.

Not 100% sure of which guy it was, but I think it was either Welliver or Glorvigen that was a recent captain. Neither were stars, but brought a lot to the table as far as leadership.

Not exactly the SEVERAL that you previously stated existed GR, which is my point. All I am saying is that the mystique or aura that exists surrounding being named a HS captain is largely nothing more than being further recognized for a skill set that relates to their "on ice" ability, and usually is unrelated to their leadership skills. Consequently, having a discussion of whether a young man should lose his "C" over indecision as to where he may be playing this coming fall, is probably a discussion from someone who has a bone to pick with the process in the first place and probably will have virtually no bearing on his team anyway.

the fact is some coaches do a better job mentoring leaders on their teams, recognizing who they are, and helping those players develop those leadership skills. These are the best coaches - the ones who are not only teaching hockey - but life skills as well.

some coaches don't feel the captain position has any value - and therefor leaves it up to the players to turn it into a popularity contest.

other teams just choose the best player to be the captain. this player may or may not be looked up to for leadership by the other players.

everyone seems to have a different opinion on the subject - and all of you are right - because every coach treats the position differently.

formerly7aafan wrote:[ I would love to hear the name of one captain in GR that you would have NOT considered a star.

You got what you said you would love to hear - the name of one. There have been more, but that's not the point of this thread. We obviously disagree on the captain issue which I'm fine with. I still don't believe it's a popularity contest, or a basic right if you can put the puck in the net. Back on point, if the player in question is only exploring his options, there doesn't seem to be a need to punish him. If he leaves however and doesn't make it and wants back in, it's only fitting that the "C" is taken away.

GR3343 wrote:

formerly7aafan wrote:[ I would love to hear the name of one captain in GR that you would have NOT considered a star.

You got what you said you would love to hear - the name of one. There have been more, but that's not the point of this thread. We obviously disagree on the captain issue which I'm fine with. I still don't believe it's a popularity contest, or a basic right if you can put the puck in the net. Back on point, if the player in question is only exploring his options, there doesn't seem to be a need to punish him. If he leaves however and doesn't make it and wants back in, it's only fitting that the "C" is taken away.

That makes the most sense of any of the responses yet....leave the kid alone he obviously earned the C from his past performance or show of leadership, which would make sense as to why he's got the shot to go to Jr's anyway.

puck19 wrote:Breakout you still have not mentioned what private school you are referring to, the only other one in the metro I can think of besides St. Thomas is Hill Murray, and this was already done a few years back with Larson he tried juniors and decided to stay at high school he still ket the c patch and there were no problems there. So do you think at this particular school your talking about it is causing problems the kid is not a role model. So what if you think he should stay the choice is not yours to make. Maybe you are just hearing plenty of rumours that continue to spread through out te summer.

We will give this poster a break, seeing as they only have three posts.
Metro privates.....hmmm lets see. There is:
Totino Grace, Breck, Blake, Holy Family, Benilde, St Thomas, Cretin, Hill Murray, a combination of some St. Paul privates and Oh my team from AHA.

Just a note. Jack Hillen wore an A and a C his junior and senior year and played before and after the season in the juniors.

Players have been know to pick the next years captains.

Does not matter if they play before and after their season. If they have earned it, then let them wear it.

Birkholz has already decided to go to juniors, so there is no discussion aobut being stripped for considering juniors, he is not going to play at Blake and therefore will not be there captain.

Some excellent points in many posts. Leadership depends on integrity. People will follow those that show integrity because they know the person is doing what they think is right, not just what's easy. If the kid in question has the opportunity to play juniors and doesn't know what to do, what better option than to discuss it with his trusted peers and coaches. They can help him have perspective about the decision. This reflects a mature way to examine the options. If the young man decides to go, God bless him on the way. If he decides to stay, being open enough to examine options and ask opinions of those he trusts, to me, is just another example to maturity and good decision making! Maybe this maturity is why his team mates awarded him the "C"!!!

I love all these people that sound as if they were never voted captains. "It is a popularity contest", "Only the stars get to be the captains".

This is the hypocrisy in so much of your thinking. We (you nay sayers included) tell our children if you work hard good things will happen. We tell the kids that that reason he was so successful at his craft is because he worked hard. Now it appears to me that working hard is the number one example of a captain in any sport. So doesn't it make sense that the captains are the stars because they probably worked really hard to be the best player. I guess it seems to me there would be a strong correlation.

Also give high school players some credit, heck for that matter even youth players, they do think for themselves and they understand the role of a captain. Why do you think they find it to be such an honor. Most of them don't take it lightly and so they don't just vote for a teammate because chicks dig him. Talk to a high school athlete once and you will find out they have pretty sound ideals about what they want from their captains. Usually a reflection of the parents ideals but they don't see it that way they will think their ideas are original and unique to their opinion.

As far as the kid losing his captain for considering moving to the Juniors. That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read. Someone gives him an invitation wrapped in a gold lining and he should be punished for thinking about it. The reality is if he thinks about it and passes he just told me that he is completely committed. As a coach that is what I want from my captain. It is not the players fault that the opportunities for players are such that they have to make these types of choices. Since they are, let the player decide, without pressure, so he knows that whatever his choice is he made it and must live with it weather it is right or wrong.

I hate to think how many times some of you people have been divorced because your spouse had an impure thought about a good looking person.

he_shoots-he_scores wrote:I love all these people that sound as if they were never voted captains. "It is a popularity contest", "Only the stars get to be the captains".

This is the hypocrisy in so much of your thinking. We (you nay sayers included) tell our children if you work hard good things will happen. We tell the kids that that reason he was so successful at his craft is because he worked hard. Now it appears to me that working hard is the number one example of a captain in any sport. So doesn't it make sense that the captains are the stars because they probably worked really hard to be the best player. I guess it seems to me there would be a strong correlation.

Also give high school players some credit, heck for that matter even youth players, they do think for themselves and they understand the role of a captain. Why do you think they find it to be such an honor. Most of them don't take it lightly and so they don't just vote for a teammate because chicks dig him. Talk to a high school athlete once and you will find out they have pretty sound ideals about what they want from their captains. Usually a reflection of the parents ideals but they don't see it that way they will think their ideas are original and unique to their opinion.

As far as the kid losing his captain for considering moving to the Juniors. That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read. Someone gives him an invitation wrapped in a gold lining and he should be punished for thinking about it. The reality is if he thinks about it and passes he just told me that he is completely committed. As a coach that is what I want from my captain. It is not the players fault that the opportunities for players are such that they have to make these types of choices. Since they are, let the player decide, without pressure, so he knows that whatever his choice is he made it and must live with it weather it is right or wrong.

I hate to think how many times some of you people have been divorced because your spouse had an impure thought about a good looking person.

No! Being a captain is not only an honor it is (or should be) a responsibility. If this player has no desire to play for his high school team and is shopping himself to play juniors, he should renounce his captaincy. I left a private school my junior year and was named captain my senior year. When I told the coach I was leaving, I also renounced my captaincy. Had I decided had later in the summer decided to return to the private school for my senior year, I would not have expected to be wearing the C.

Not to bring up my favorite sport, but this is how we do it as coaches at my school and in my sport.

1) we no longer appoint captains at seasons end - have had instances where we had to put the captain on the spot for actions or non-actions during the summer. Instead we appoint senior parents to help with the coordination of all the activities that the captain's parents usually take and do extremely well during the off season and season.

2) The captains are selected at that end of tryouts.

3) We no longer leave it to a popularity contest - we select the 1-3 deserving candidates.

4) It seems like many kids now days have trouble understanding the leadership role of being a captain....what does it entail? So each captain we appoint is responsible for a leadership group we coaches form - we balance it on chemistry, personalities, and year in school. If there is only one captain, we appoint other senior leaders to help head up these groups. They get together on an informal basis once a week and talk about what's going on and how we can be improving what we do. This takes the pressure off the captains and actually helps them become better leaders outside the field of play.

Too many kids play for themselves and forget the team aspect of being a leader. It has worked for us and is not that hard to implement.

PS- GO RUSSIA EURO 08

If this player is Pat Borer i am almost positive that he isn't going anywhere so he deserves to be captain

Good comment TA. I like the approach.

Kids confuse leadership with most popular. They vote for most popular. The most popular is often not the best leader. But, interestingly, many kids aren't respectful of true leadership and prefer popularity. They don't believe both are possible and are afraid to lose popularity by attempting to take on leadership responsibility.

in roseau i see good leaders carry the "c" most of the time at the high school level however all the youth teams my kids have played on its been just the opposite give or take a few. I also think it matters zero in most cases the impact of captains at the youth level is minimal at best. If i coached a team i wouldnt even have one

If this is indeed Pat Borer, he was moved to the affiliate roster for SC, which leads me to believe he decided to stay in HS for his senior year.

Hey fellas! Why are we wasting a complete post on a topic that doesn't matter what so ever! i mean come on the "C"!This is just GARBAGE if i have ever seen it... Enough said.

BUdish Fan For life! Hes got the "C" for next year and is well deserved!