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dherman8 wrote: How many dumb***es are on this site?

The class A competition that STA has played is weaker than the class A competition LF has faced and i'm sure some of these other class A teams have played just as hard class A schedules.

Looks like "dherman8" just joined that elite club he mentioned previous on this site:

Strength of schedule (all classes 156 teams total)
#15 STA
#85 Little Falls

dherman is right...does it matter? Tell you what, if they make it to State, and win three games there, then they deserve the #1 ranking. Until then, it doesn't matter what anybody "deserves". I'd rather be #4 and win state than #1 and not win state.

For all the statistical work I do via PS2, even I understand it's just numbers in the end and they still play the games on ice. That's what determines things. The rest is just bar room talk...or wherever one discusses such things.

Lee

Thanks for the backup east hockey. At least someone gets it. It's a stupid argument that people are going to moan about either way.

As for High Flyer, think before you speak. I believe I said in that very same post that STA is the only team in the top four class A discussion that has an argument for toughest schedule.....um yeah......so that makes them 15th in SOS and LF 85th.....um yeah.......but look at who STA played that is in class A........yeah.......Breck is good but in my opinion is overrated along with Mahtomedi......LF has played top competition in class A......does Alexandria, Cathedral, or Virginia ring a bell? You probably wouldn't know that those teams are good class A teams.

STA, LF, Breck, and Warroad all have flaws. Nobody wins with a 1 seed being any of those teams have an equla shot of drawing the teams that come out of the northern sections like Cathedral, Hermantown, Virginia, I Falls, Hibbing, etc. What a prize that is.

It hardly matters now because after this weekend everyone has to win the rest of the season to be no:1 and as far as little falls being no:1 that is a big no I don't see any class a breaking into the top 8 in the state, I think Mitch is right on the money, with ST Thomas

dherman8 wrote:Does it matter? Who really cares about being the number 1 seed? Really, it doesn't mean anything because you can draw the number 5 seed. Also, with the way the top four seeds are shaping, they're isn't ANY separation from any of them...........

That siad, please forgive me for this admin:

How many dumb***es are on this site? The only team in the top 4 discussion for class A that has had a toguh schedule is STA. Again, that said, THEY HAVE 4 LOSSES! Take that into consideration you goons. They may have beat Minnetonka but they lost to every other good AA team they played. When you get two chances against Hill, you should win one especially when they are short handed. Moorhead is not top tier at this time, and the class A competition that STA has played is weaker than the class A competition LF has faced and i'm sure some of these other class A teams have played just as hard class A schedules.

In the end, STA, Little Falls, Warroad, maybe Breck and St. Cloud Cathedral, flip a coin for a winner.

STA beat Hill 5-2 the first time they played them. Thats pretty funny that you think Little Falls has played a tougher class A schedule when they play Wadena, Wilmar, Apollo, River Lakes, etc... these games balance out the few tough games they play.

I think what everyone forgets when the start comparing teams' schedules, wins and losses, records, etc. is what kind of actual talent there is on a team. And that is what gets a team respect and high rankings.

Little Falls is an outstanding team with many top players...nearly all seniors. They have experience and talent. Whether they are 23-2 or 25-0 doesn't matter. They are a top team and it is obvious to anyone who has seen them play.

Would St. Thomas Academy be 25-0 with Little Falls' schedule? Quite possibly.

DotaDangler wrote:Thats pretty funny that you think Little Falls has played a tougher class A schedule when they play Wadena, Wilmar, Apollo, River Lakes, etc... these games balance out the few tough games they play.

I hate to say it, but you are right DotaDangler... The Cadets clearly play a tougher schedule. Now that I got the hard part out of the way, I'll fill you in on the 2 easy part which you are completely overlooking when trying to compare the teams and schedules.

1. Think about the location of the two teams...
Little Falls is located in central MN, within 30 miles of LF there is only 7 teams(Brainerd, Tech, Apollo, Cathedral, Sauk Rapids, Sartell, River Lakes).

St. Thomas Academy, located in Mendota Heights... They have virtually the entire cities within 30 miles. Making it much easier to play good teams.

2. Think about the players on the teams...
Little Falls has all players from Little Falls(or the close surrounding towns), these kids have grown up playing with eachother and have developed a chemisty between them which makes them fun to watch.

St. Thomas Academy has players from all over the Metro, and maybe outside the Metro, or possibly the state. In no way am I saying that they recruit players, its just a simple fact that the players on STA are not all from Mendota Heights.(this can be good or bad depending on how you look at it, and It is a reason that I believe STA always loses early in the year and peaks at the end, the chemistry isn't quite there yet)


To put it simply, both teams are very good and both have impressive resume's heading into the playoffs. Whether your undefeated or not going into the playoff's doesn't matter, its what you do in playoffs that does. The regular season isn't about winning in high school sports, it's about preparing for the post-season and to be playing your best hockey at that time.

Good luck to both STA, LF, and the rest of the states teams in the playoffs! It's always the most exciting time of the year, and is what makes MN High School Hockey Great!

This will be short:

Little Falls has played Virginia, SCC and Alex, three of the games in their first four and then Alex again on their 14th game. (4-0)
STA has played SSP twice, Breck, DM, Maht twice (one tonight), TG and Lourdes. 5-1-1 so far

At this point I fail to see how someone could say LF has played better Class A competition. Then you add in the Class AA teams.

Compare NTDP's record to the top prep program in the country. Then tell me who would win in a match up. Although extreme, the NTDP's record is usually terrible, but they get much better by playing much better competition.

Question: If Little Falls played STA's schedule, would they be undefeated?
Answer: No.

Question: If STA played Little Falls' schedule, would they be undefeated?
Answer: Yes.

Goldy Gopher wrote:Question: If Little Falls played STA's schedule, would they be undefeated?
Answer: No.

Question: If STA played Little Falls' schedule, would they be undefeated?
Answer: Yes.

Nice...

defense wrote:

Goldy Gopher wrote:Question: If Little Falls played STA's schedule, would they be undefeated?
Answer: No.

Question: If STA played Little Falls' schedule, would they be undefeated?
Answer: Yes.

Nice...

I rest my case.

Goldy Gopher wrote:Question: If Little Falls played STA's schedule, would they be undefeated?
Answer: No.

Question: If STA played Little Falls' schedule, would they be undefeated?
Answer: Yes.

Maybe. Pure speculation.

This is too easy...

If STA played STA's schedule, would they be undefeated?

We know the answer already. No.

If Little Falls played Little Falls' schedule, would they be undefeated?

Yes. They are.

dueling21 wrote:This is too easy...

If STA played STA's schedule, would they be undefeated?

We know the answer already. No.

If Little Falls played Little Falls' schedule, would they be undefeated?

Yes. They are.

Thanks for that.

Who would have guessed?

Goldy Gopher wrote:

defense wrote:

Goldy Gopher wrote:Question: If Little Falls played STA's schedule, would they be undefeated?
Answer: No.

Question: If STA played Little Falls' schedule, would they be undefeated?
Answer: Yes.

Nice...

I rest my case.

You honestly think STA could have ran the table on LF's schedule when they couldn't beat DM and tied SSP?

Your case sucks in my opinion.

Can we just agree that both teams would make a good number one seed?

dherman8 wrote:

Goldy Gopher wrote:

defense wrote: Nice...

I rest my case.

You honestly think STA could have ran the table on LF's schedule when they couldn't beat DM and tied SSP?

Your case sucks in my opinion.

Can we just agree that both teams would make a good number one seed?

With their current schedules we can agree upon that.

However if LF played a schedule that was as strong as STA's I think we would be singing a different tune.

You have to understand that Goldy (being from Apollo and seeing the Flyers destroy the Eagles every time they play) has a real hatred for Little Falls! They could take state and put every team in running time at the X and he would still think there was someone better than the Flyers in class A!

When he is proven wrong he will just claim its sarcasm....just wait its coming!

David Sparrow#1 wrote:You have to understand that Goldy (being from Apollo and seeing the Flyers destroy the Eagles every time they play) has a real hatred for Little Falls! They could take state and put every team in running time at the X and he would still think there was someone better than the Flyers in class A!

When he is proven wrong he will just claim its sarcasm....just wait its coming!

If they put every team at the X into running time they will be the best team in class A.

I just said that it was between them and STA for the one seed. What more do you want?

Little Falls schedule:

Little Falls 1 Virginia-Mt. Iron-Buhl 0 Fri, Dec 05 7:30 pm 1 - 0 final

Little Falls 14 Greenway 0 Sat, Dec 06 4:00 pm 14 - 0 final

Saint Cloud Cathedral 4 Little Falls 5 Tue, Dec 09 7:00 pm 4 - 5 OT final

4 Alexandria 3 Little Falls 4 Fri, Dec 12 7:15 pm 3 - 4 final

Little Falls 4 Sartell-St.Stephen 3 Tue, Dec 16 7:00 pm 4 - 3 final

Sauk Rapids-Rice 3 Little Falls 9 Fri, Dec 19 7:15 pm 3 - 9 final

Faribault 4 Little Falls 9 Mon, Dec 29 7:00 pm 4 - 9 final

Prior Lake 1 Little Falls 7 Tue, Dec 30 7:00 pm 1 - 7 final

New Prague 0 Little Falls 5 Wed, Dec 31 7:00 pm 0 - 5 final

5 Little Falls 5 Brainerd/Pillager/Pierz 3 Tue, Jan 06 7:00 pm 5 - 3 final

Little Falls 7 River Lakes Stars 0 Fri, Jan 09 7:30 pm 7 - 0 final

Little Falls 9 Fergus Falls 2 Sat, Jan 17 7:30 pm 9 - 2 final

Willmar 1 Little Falls 8 Tue, Jan 20 7:15 pm 1 - 8 final

Little Falls 1 Alexandria 0 Thu, Jan 22 7:00 pm 1 - 0 final

Sartell-St.Stephen 2 Little Falls 7 Tue, Jan 27 7:15 pm 2 - 7 final

Fergus Falls 0 Little Falls 8 Thu, Jan 29 7:15 pm 0 - 8 final

Little Falls 8 Sauk Rapids-Rice 0 Fri, Jan 30 7:00 pm 8 - 0 final

Wadena-Deer Creek 1 Little Falls 9 Tue, Feb 03 7:15 pm 1 - 9 final

Little Falls 10 Apollo 4 Thu, Feb 05 7:00 pm 10 - 4 final

Little Falls 10 Detroit Lakes 0 Sat, Feb 07 7:30 pm 10 - 0 final

Little Falls 10 Saint Cloud Tech 2 Tue, Feb 10 7:00 pm 10 - 2 final

Little Falls 4 Prairie Centre 0 Thu, Feb 12 7:00 pm 4 - 0 final

River Lakes Stars 2 Little Falls 5 Fri, Feb 13 7:15 pm 2 - 5 final

Little Falls 8 Willmar 2 Tue, Feb 17 7:00 pm 8 - 2 final

Apollo 1 Little Falls 9 Thu, Feb 19 7:00 pm 1 - 9 final


St Thomas Acadamy schedule:

Saint Thomas Academy 1 Marshall School Duluth 2 Sat, Dec 06 3:30 pm
1 - 2 final

Breck 2 Saint Thomas Academy 7 Tue, Dec 09 7:30 pm 2 - 7 final

5 Tartan 1 Saint Thomas Academy 5 Thu, Dec 11 7:30 pm 1 - 5 final

Saint Thomas Academy 10 Simley 1 Sat, Dec 13 7:30 pm 10 - 1 final

North 2 Saint Thomas Academy 6 Thu, Dec 18 7:30 pm 2 - 6 final

Minnetonka 3 Saint Thomas Academy 4 Sat, Dec 20 7:30 pm 3 - 4 OT
final

Cretin-Derham Hall 1 Saint Thomas Academy 4 Mon, Dec 22 7:30 pm 1 - 4 final

Saint Thomas Academy 2 Academy of Holy Angels 5 Mon, Dec 29 3:00 pm 2 - 5 final

Saint Thomas Academy 3 Centennial 6 Tue, Dec 30 12:30 pm 3 - 6 final

Moorhead 3 Saint Thomas Academy 4 Wed, Dec 31 12:30 pm 3 - 4 final

Saint Thomas Academy 5 Hill-Murray 2 Thu, Jan 08 8:00 pm 5 - 2 final

Richfield 3 Saint Thomas Academy 6 Sat, Jan 10 3:00 pm 3 - 6 final

Saint Thomas Academy 6 Sibley 0 Thu, Jan 15 7:30 pm 6 - 0 final

South St.Paul 1 Saint Thomas Academy 1 Sat, Jan 17 3:00 pm 1 - 1 OT
final

Saint Thomas Academy 5 Rochester Lourdes 2 Tue, Jan 20 7:30 pm 5 - 2 final

Mahtomedi 5 Saint Thomas Academy 8 Thu, Jan 22 7:30 pm 5 - 8 final

Saint Thomas Academy 2 Tartan 0 Sat, Jan 24 7:30 pm 2 - 0 final

Simley 1 Saint Thomas Academy 7 Thu, Jan 29 7:30 pm 1 - 7 final

Saint Thomas Academy 6 North 2 Sat, Jan 31 7:30 pm 6 - 2 final

Totino-Grace 0 Saint Thomas Academy 10 Tue, Feb 03 7:30 pm 0 - 10
final

Hill-Murray 3 Saint Thomas Academy 0 Sat, Feb 07 7:30 pm 3 - 0 final

Saint Thomas Academy 8 Richfield 1 Thu, Feb 12 7:30 pm 8 - 1 final

Sibley 0 Saint Thomas Academy 14 Sat, Feb 14 3:00 pm 0 - 14 final

Saint Thomas Academy 5 South St.Paul 0 Tue, Feb 17 7:30 pm 5 - 0
final

Saint Thomas Academy Mahtomedi Fri, Feb 20 7:30 pm no data -

After looking at this, can you really believe that LF played as good of teams as STA? If so, then please explain this to me.


Thank you www.mnhockeyhub.com for all stats.

Washed Up:
I think the argument is that Little Falls has played just as good or better CLASS A competition as St. Thomas Academy. Not that they have played better teams total. This said, St. Thomas Academy has played a grueling and brutal schedule no doubt the envy of any coach a or aa.

Little Falls has played and beaten 2 ranked non-conference teams as well as ranked Alexandria twice. They have played NO ranked AA teams, though a or aa means really nothing to me. The rest were in the Central Lakes Conference wich is not in their best year, but is NOT the WORST conference in the state, it is actually quite average. Try comparing Little Falls' schedule, record to some OTHER top A teams.
In the end Little Falls has demolished their conference, beaten their top non-conference competition and garnered a top two place in most polls/rankings. St. Thomas Academy has played their schedule very strong, but tied and lost to some top A competition....Mahtomedi???and has established a spot in the top 2 spots in most polls and rankings.

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Little Falls should be number one! yes they havn't played as tuff of a schedule as STA has but like DEFENSE says they demolished their conference, and you have to demolish them if your going to be ranked number one.
Will see how the Section/State goes because that will show you the real bumber one, it should be fun!

Nodak Sioux wrote:Little Falls should be number one! yes they havn't played as tuff of a schedule as STA has but like DEFENSE says they demolished their conference, and you have to demolish them if your going to be ranked number one.
Will see how the Section/State goes because that will show you the real bumber one, it should be fun!

Yes. Any team that is clearly the best in their conference should be ranked number one in the state. I'm happy someone has finally ended this argument.

Yes. IF they get there.