Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:06 am
gothberg and who?
Graves - one of the top 2 in select 15's25 sheet power wrote:gothberg and who?
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:10 am
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 2:46 pm
Did the Gophers offer him a scholarship? I know he decided on North Dakota.25 sheet power wrote:gothberg and who?
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:08 pm
Gothberg is from TRF not Wayzata.thiscrazygame wrote:Did the Gophers offer him a scholarship? I know he decided on North Dakota.25 sheet power wrote:gothberg and who?
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 4:15 pm
Has to be Wilcox
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:10 pm
Alex Fons of Hopkins
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:44 pm
Webb from Holy Angels gets my vote
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:15 am
Wilcox, simply mind blowing between the pipes
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:48 pm
it's not even close, wilcox is just phenominial
Jacob Meyers
Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:52 am
Jacob Meyers at Benidle should be the favorite here. Andrew Ford will be a major goalie.greyhoundfan wrote:it's not even close, wilcox is just phenominial
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 4:06 pm
justin quale gets my vote, incredible talent
Re: Jacob Meyers
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 4:34 pm
Jacob Meyers at Benidle should be the favorite here. Andrew Ford will be a major goalie.[/quote]
Agreed!!!
Agreed!!!
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 7:58 pm
Easy one = Gothberg
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:17 pm
Wilcox keeps an average team in every game, gotta give him the nod.
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:08 am
tyler ampe.......duhhh
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:21 pm
Derek Robinson from Proctor seems to be a very talented tender.
Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:26 pm
Nic Heimer...anyone? I heard he single handedly led the eagles to the tourney last year
Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:06 pm
Hahaha I appreciate that one.elliott70 wrote:Gothberg is from TRF not Wayzata.thiscrazygame wrote:Did the Gophers offer him a scholarship? I know he decided on North Dakota.25 sheet power wrote:gothberg and who?
Too bad the Don missed out on Wayzata's best prospect, goalie Joe Howe who is tearing it up for Colorado College this year.
Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:43 pm
I always love how these start with who is the best goalie in the state and then they turn into ,"the kid from our town or school is pretty good".
Do any other goalies from Minnesota, other than Gothberg and Wilcox have WCHA rides? Division I scholarship offers anywhere?
Do any other goalies from Minnesota, other than Gothberg and Wilcox have WCHA rides? Division I scholarship offers anywhere?
Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:28 pm
Hahaha I appreciate that one.
Too bad the Don missed out on Wayzata's best prospect, goalie Joe Howe who is tearing it up for Colorado College this year.[/quote]
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Papa. You are pretty correct here, since his kids grew up in the program, but for everyone else that's on here in terms of who's offered D1 scholarships, etc, I will add a bit of thought process here.
Please keep in mind that most D1 schools carry 3 goalies, for the most part, and the recruitment of such really limits how aggressive programs can get. There just isn't much of a need to recruit goalies year-in-year-out.
With Alex Kangas in the fold for the Gophers, there really wasn't much of a need to go after goalies like Joe Howe. By time Kangas is ready to move on, there will be a replacement.
But the unfortunate aspect of this debate is that some of the schools had senior netminders that were successful, and the underclassmen haven't had the chance until this year. And some of the better programs had frosh or soph start last year, that will be even that much better this year.
Keep in mind, too, that as scouts, we don't just look at the raw numbers. We look at the tools. Size is the primary aspect. With the butterfly style taught nowadays, the taller goalies take up the upper part of the net better. We also look at strength, technical movement, how they play the puck, leadership on ice, etc.
I will use Joe Phillipi as an example. Here was an all-state goalie from Hill-Murray that was exciting, athletic, quick AND had the numbers to be D1 worthy, but his lack of size didn't allow him to get to the next level. Last I saw, he was in Alaska, and wasn't getting much ice time. Things may have changed, but I haven't followed up on him.
During the summer months, as draft day approached, I harped at how basically out of the top 20 ranked goalies, only three were under 6' tall. Schools, juniors and pro teams will take a kid with great size and skill 80% of the time over a smaller, athletic goalie.
Don't be surprised to see some real sleepers emerge this year, although, yes, the names mentioned on this board are very, very solid. However, history has also shown that some goalies peak early, and by time the player is a senior, he may even have stepped back.
I have seen many times a soph get .900 save, 2.50 GAA and by time he's a senior, his numbers digressed... .890 save, 2.70 GAA as examples.
Regardless, this should be an outstanding 2009-10 season.
Too bad the Don missed out on Wayzata's best prospect, goalie Joe Howe who is tearing it up for Colorado College this year.[/quote]
[/quote]
Papa. You are pretty correct here, since his kids grew up in the program, but for everyone else that's on here in terms of who's offered D1 scholarships, etc, I will add a bit of thought process here.
Please keep in mind that most D1 schools carry 3 goalies, for the most part, and the recruitment of such really limits how aggressive programs can get. There just isn't much of a need to recruit goalies year-in-year-out.
With Alex Kangas in the fold for the Gophers, there really wasn't much of a need to go after goalies like Joe Howe. By time Kangas is ready to move on, there will be a replacement.
But the unfortunate aspect of this debate is that some of the schools had senior netminders that were successful, and the underclassmen haven't had the chance until this year. And some of the better programs had frosh or soph start last year, that will be even that much better this year.
Keep in mind, too, that as scouts, we don't just look at the raw numbers. We look at the tools. Size is the primary aspect. With the butterfly style taught nowadays, the taller goalies take up the upper part of the net better. We also look at strength, technical movement, how they play the puck, leadership on ice, etc.
I will use Joe Phillipi as an example. Here was an all-state goalie from Hill-Murray that was exciting, athletic, quick AND had the numbers to be D1 worthy, but his lack of size didn't allow him to get to the next level. Last I saw, he was in Alaska, and wasn't getting much ice time. Things may have changed, but I haven't followed up on him.
During the summer months, as draft day approached, I harped at how basically out of the top 20 ranked goalies, only three were under 6' tall. Schools, juniors and pro teams will take a kid with great size and skill 80% of the time over a smaller, athletic goalie.
Don't be surprised to see some real sleepers emerge this year, although, yes, the names mentioned on this board are very, very solid. However, history has also shown that some goalies peak early, and by time the player is a senior, he may even have stepped back.
I have seen many times a soph get .900 save, 2.50 GAA and by time he's a senior, his numbers digressed... .890 save, 2.70 GAA as examples.
Regardless, this should be an outstanding 2009-10 season.
Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 5:02 pm
midwesthockeyscout wrote:Hahaha I appreciate that one.
Too bad the Don missed out on Wayzata's best prospect, goalie Joe Howe who is tearing it up for Colorado College this year.
[/quote]
Papa. You are pretty correct here, since his kids grew up in the program, but for everyone else that's on here in terms of who's offered D1 scholarships, etc, I will add a bit of thought process here.
Please keep in mind that most D1 schools carry 3 goalies, for the most part, and the recruitment of such really limits how aggressive programs can get. There just isn't much of a need to recruit goalies year-in-year-out.
With Alex Kangas in the fold for the Gophers, there really wasn't much of a need to go after goalies like Joe Howe. By time Kangas is ready to move on, there will be a replacement.
But the unfortunate aspect of this debate is that some of the schools had senior netminders that were successful, and the underclassmen haven't had the chance until this year. And some of the better programs had frosh or soph start last year, that will be even that much better this year.
Keep in mind, too, that as scouts, we don't just look at the raw numbers. We look at the tools. Size is the primary aspect. With the butterfly style taught nowadays, the taller goalies take up the upper part of the net better. We also look at strength, technical movement, how they play the puck, leadership on ice, etc.
I will use Joe Phillipi as an example. Here was an all-state goalie from Hill-Murray that was exciting, athletic, quick AND had the numbers to be D1 worthy, but his lack of size didn't allow him to get to the next level. Last I saw, he was in Alaska, and wasn't getting much ice time. Things may have changed, but I haven't followed up on him.
During the summer months, as draft day approached, I harped at how basically out of the top 20 ranked goalies, only three were under 6' tall. Schools, juniors and pro teams will take a kid with great size and skill 80% of the time over a smaller, athletic goalie.
Don't be surprised to see some real sleepers emerge this year, although, yes, the names mentioned on this board are very, very solid. However, history has also shown that some goalies peak early, and by time the player is a senior, he may even have stepped back.
I have seen many times a soph get .900 save, 2.50 GAA and by time he's a senior, his numbers digressed... .890 save, 2.70 GAA as examples.
Regardless, this should be an outstanding 2009-10 season.[/quote]
We've all seen the huge goalie that everyone is afraid they can't score on, however lots of them can't move around the net either. Great skills win out at the end of the day.
Most NHL goalies are between 6' and 6'2". Luckily for Joseph, Turco and Hasek - all 5'11 and Osgood, Theodore and Conklin - all 5'10, there were scouts that saw the skill.
Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 5:20 pm
Goalie position is a hard one to judge. With the mental side of it be a huge factor. You also have to look at who plays in front of them and who they are playing over all. Phillipi showed he could play great on the big stage where as M Lee looked sub-par. Also read how everyone was say Lee was going to be the Brick Wall in SCSU and due to whats playing in front of him he is 0-4-1 on the season.
Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 5:53 pm
[t how basically out of the top 20 ranked goalies, only three were under 6' tall. Schools, juniors and pro teams will take a kid with great size and skill 80% of the time over a smaller, athletic goalie.
We've all seen the huge goalie that everyone is afraid they can't score on, however lots of them can't move around the net either. Great skills win out at the end of the day.
Most NHL goalies are between 6' and 6'2". Luckily for Joseph, Turco and Hasek - all 5'11 and Osgood, Theodore and Conklin - all 5'10, there were scouts that saw the skill.[/quote]
As I said, 80% of the time.... I didn't say 100%.. 30 NHL teams, 2 goalies each = 60 goalies... You named 6... that's 10%... Just saying... MOST of the time the smaller goalies get lost in the shuffle, no matter how good they are.
We've all seen the huge goalie that everyone is afraid they can't score on, however lots of them can't move around the net either. Great skills win out at the end of the day.
Most NHL goalies are between 6' and 6'2". Luckily for Joseph, Turco and Hasek - all 5'11 and Osgood, Theodore and Conklin - all 5'10, there were scouts that saw the skill.[/quote]
As I said, 80% of the time.... I didn't say 100%.. 30 NHL teams, 2 goalies each = 60 goalies... You named 6... that's 10%... Just saying... MOST of the time the smaller goalies get lost in the shuffle, no matter how good they are.
Who is the best goalie in the state?
Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:09 pm
FYI -- Joe Phillipi has been in Omaha/USHL for the past month and sports a 4-0 record so far....I will use Joe Phillipi as an example. Here was an all-state goalie from Hill-Murray that was exciting, athletic, quick AND had the numbers to be D1 worthy, but his lack of size didn't allow him to get to the next level. Last I saw, he was in Alaska, and wasn't getting much ice time. Things may have changed, but I haven't followed up on him.
Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 4:23 pm
Here are the numbers. I went and searched each D1 roster and listed the listed heights of the goalies.
It looks to me that an average of 5'10"-6'2" is size goalie that is playing, based on these numbers. A few more giants then shrimps.
I would also tend to think that schools list players a little bigger then they are 
6'5" 4
6'4" 5
6'3" 11
6'2" 22
6'1" 21
6"0" 22
5'11" 24
5'10" 17
5'9" 5
5'8" 0
5'7" 1
It looks to me that an average of 5'10"-6'2" is size goalie that is playing, based on these numbers. A few more giants then shrimps.
I would also tend to think that schools list players a little bigger then they are 6'5" 4
6'4" 5
6'3" 11
6'2" 22
6'1" 21
6"0" 22
5'11" 24
5'10" 17
5'9" 5
5'8" 0
5'7" 1