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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 5:55 pm
by puckhouse27
Heres a list of players that i know that have left recently from inver grove heights.
kids that grauate in 04 that could have played at simley are.
brandon mullins, ssp hockey, football
john o'brian ssp hockey
ryan st.martin, ssp multiple sports
dan gisch, ssp multiple sports
chris ward,ssp multiple sports ib
louie lammanna, ssp multiple sports
jake stewart, hastings. multiple sports
casy sheltz played part of high school career at ssp and simley.
kids that graduated in 05
mike pilot, ssp hockey
nick st, martin, ssp multiple sports ib
andy bauer, hastings hockey
kids that graduated in 06
jerad stewart, hastings multiple sports
dustin mullins , started highschool at ssp went back to simley.
zero kids in 07 i believe.
kids that graduated in 08
mike ward,ssp multiple sports ib
eric st.martin,ssp multiple sports in
dan rothe, ssp multiple sports ib
tony gacksetter, ssp multiple sports.
may be more from this class ?
kids that graduated in 09
jake ogilve,ssp multiple sports.
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 8:21 pm
by no-fly-bys
That is a big list and if you go back a few more years it would probably be bigger yet. Remember most of these kids lived in IGH but went to school in SSP from kindergarden on up. So are they traders?(traitors) No, they choose to play with there school mates. If the new rule that went into affect this year would have been in effect years back would we be having this discussion on why kids leave? No, because they would have been playing in ssp all the time!! SSP has a better school system..
puckhouse27 wrote:Heres a list of players that i know that have left recently from inver grove heights.
kids that grauate in 04 that could have played at simley are.
brandon mullins, ssp hockey, football
john o'brian ssp hockey
ryan st.martin, ssp multiple sports
dan gisch, ssp multiple sports
chris ward,ssp multiple sports ib
louie lammanna, ssp multiple sports
jake stewart, hastings. multiple sports
casy sheltz played part of high school career at ssp and simley.
kids that graduated in 05
mike pilot, ssp hockey
nick st, martin, ssp multiple sports ib
andy bauer, hastings hockey
kids that graduated in 06
jerad stewart, hastings multiple sports
dustin mullins , started highschool at ssp went back to simley.
zero kids in 07 i believe.
kids that graduated in 08
mike ward,ssp multiple sports ib
eric st.martin,ssp multiple sports in
dan rothe, ssp multiple sports ib
tony gacksetter, ssp multiple sports.
may be more from this class ?
kids that graduated in 09
jake ogilve,ssp multiple sports.
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:50 pm
by pantherfan
no-fly-bys wrote:I don't agree with you panther fan. The A bantams have a very good talent level of 8th graders from SSP . Plus some very good A peewee players. I know they are young but in a small association a lot of these players will contribute early in there high school careers. I believe SSP will be in great shape with all the underclassman they have playing 7 jun., 5 soph, 1 fresh. Great expierence for these underclassman to be playing everyday at this level....
So if I can make one of there games this week which players are SSP and IGH?
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:31 pm
by HappyHockeyFan
pantherfan wrote:no-fly-bys wrote:I don't agree with you panther fan. The A bantams have a very good talent level of 8th graders from SSP . Plus some very good A peewee players. I know they are young but in a small association a lot of these players will contribute early in there high school careers. I believe SSP will be in great shape with all the underclassman they have playing 7 jun., 5 soph, 1 fresh. Great expierence for these underclassman to be playing everyday at this level....
So if I can make one of there games this week which players are SSP and IGH?
Matt Pilot, Zac Hendrikson, Steven Ward, Kyle Burke and Mic Grundtner are from IGH for sure, might be one or two more but I am not 100% sure.
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:03 pm
by GapControl
And all but one of them are Multi-sport athletes. There is also a number of former hockey players that were IGH players that also currently attend SSP and have quit because of coaches. Players that were in the highschool program and quit as Jr's and or Sr's. Grass isnt always greener.
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 3:17 pm
by pantherfan
I meant which kids are from SSP and IGH on the Bantam A team. It looks like a VFW night at wakota. I would like to see for myself what they have for talent coming up next year.
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 9:20 pm
by pantherfan
no-fly-bys wrote:I don't agree with you panther fan. The A bantams have a very good talent level of 8th graders from SSP . Plus some very good A peewee players. I know they are young but in a small association a lot of these players will contribute early in there high school careers. I believe SSP will be in great shape with all the underclassman they have playing 7 jun., 5 soph, 1 fresh. Great expierence for these underclassman to be playing everyday at this level....
In this order is how I rank there top 5 A Bantam players> I have no idea which school they are from
Top 2 players tonight
10 very soild forward hits hard
7 Played forward and Def VERY SOILD all around player
Rounding out the game tonight
3 Big strong with the puck little slow
12 quick feet finds the open area slow with passing
15 good with the puck trys to carrie it to much without passing
I don't see 2 High Schools worth of talent, 1 maybe togeather but no way 2. So I will stand buy and see what happens in the next 3 years.
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:29 am
by Jerry
[quote="pantherfan"][quote="no-fly-bys"]I don't agree with you panther fan. The A bantams have a very good talent level of 8th graders from SSP . Plus some very good A peewee players. I know they are young but in a small association a lot of these players will contribute early in there high school careers. I believe SSP will be in great shape with all the underclassman they have playing 7 jun., 5 soph, 1 fresh. Great expierence for these underclassman to be playing everyday at this level....[/quote]
In this order is how I rank there top 5 A Bantam players> I have no idea which school they are from
Top 2 players tonight
10 very soild forward hits hard
7 Played forward and Def VERY SOILD all around player
Rounding out the game tonight
3 Big strong with the puck little slow
12 quick feet finds the open area slow with passing
15 good with the puck trys to carrie it to much without passing
I don't see 2 High Schools worth of talent, 1 maybe togeather but no way 2. So I will stand buy and see what happens in the next 3 years.[/quote]
10 IGH 9th Grade
7 IGH 8th Grade
3 IGH 9th Grade
12 IGH 9th Grade
15 SSP 8th grade
Not on the list you sent
17 8th Grade Hill Murray next year
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:14 am
by Gems
pantherfan wrote:no-fly-bys wrote:I don't agree with you panther fan. The A bantams have a very good talent level of 8th graders from SSP . Plus some very good A peewee players. I know they are young but in a small association a lot of these players will contribute early in there high school careers. I believe SSP will be in great shape with all the underclassman they have playing 7 jun., 5 soph, 1 fresh. Great expierence for these underclassman to be playing everyday at this level....
In this order is how I rank there top 5 A Bantam players> I have no idea which school they are from
Top 2 players tonight
10 very soild forward hits hard
7 Played forward and Def VERY SOILD all around player
Rounding out the game tonight
3 Big strong with the puck little slow
12 quick feet finds the open area slow with passing
15 good with the puck trys to carrie it to much without passing
I don't see 2 High Schools worth of talent, 1 maybe togeather but no way 2. So I will stand buy and see what happens in the next 3 years.
Best way to rank players is over a season and I went on-line and found they keep stats...here is what I found...
#3 33pts.
#17 32pts.
#12 30pts.
#15 25pts.
#10 24pts.
#7 16pts.
What I find very telling is a players +/- rating...top players on this team by +/- would be...
#17 +15 SSP
#15 +13 SSP
#10 +12 IGH
#3 +8 IGH
#12 +2 IGH
#7 +1 IGH
any thoughts on the +/- system in rating players that you have not seen play?
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:18 pm
by no-fly-bys
#12 is a 10th grader. +/- is the way to go if you can't stop them from scoring at the A banam level, you won't at the Varsity level. Remember also the Refs, they always don't get the right players on the scoring sheets. But the +/- is the way to go!
Gems wrote:pantherfan wrote:no-fly-bys wrote:I don't agree with you panther fan. The A bantams have a very good talent level of 8th graders from SSP . Plus some very good A peewee players. I know they are young but in a small association a lot of these players will contribute early in there high school careers. I believe SSP will be in great shape with all the underclassman they have playing 7 jun., 5 soph, 1 fresh. Great expierence for these underclassman to be playing everyday at this level....
In this order is how I rank there top 5 A Bantam players> I have no idea which school they are from
Top 2 players tonight
10 very soild forward hits hard
7 Played forward and Def VERY SOILD all around player
Rounding out the game tonight
3 Big strong with the puck little slow
12 quick feet finds the open area slow with passing
15 good with the puck trys to carrie it to much without passing
I don't see 2 High Schools worth of talent, 1 maybe togeather but no way 2. So I will stand buy and see what happens in the next 3 years.
Best way to rank players is over a season and I went on-line and found they keep stats...here is what I found...
#3 33pts.
#17 32pts.
#12 30pts.
#15 25pts.
#10 24pts.
#7 16pts.
What I find very telling is a players +/- rating...top players on this team by +/- would be...
#17 +15 SSP
#15 +13 SSP
#10 +12 IGH
#3 +8 IGH
#12 +2 IGH
#7 +1 IGH
any thoughts on the +/- system in rating players that you have not seen play?
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 3:23 pm
by pantherfan
no-fly-bys wrote:#12 is a 10th grader. +/- is the way to go if you can't stop them from scoring at the A banam level, you won't at the Varsity level. Remember also the Refs, they always don't get the right players on the scoring sheets. But the +/- is the way to go!
Gems wrote:pantherfan wrote:
In this order is how I rank there top 5 A Bantam players> I have no idea which school they are from
Top 2 players tonight
10 very soild forward hits hard
7 Played forward and Def VERY SOILD all around player
Rounding out the game tonight
3 Big strong with the puck little slow
12 quick feet finds the open area slow with passing
15 good with the puck trys to carrie it to much without passing
I don't see 2 High Schools worth of talent, 1 maybe togeather but no way 2. So I will stand buy and see what happens in the next 3 years.
Best way to rank players is over a season and I went on-line and found they keep stats...here is what I found...
#3 33pts.
#17 32pts.
#12 30pts.
#15 25pts.
#10 24pts.
#7 16pts.
What I find very telling is a players +/- rating...top players on this team by +/- would be...
#17 +15 SSP
#15 +13 SSP
#10 +12 IGH
#3 +8 IGH
#12 +2 IGH
#7 +1 IGH
any thoughts on the +/- system in rating players that you have not seen play?
I don't rank players without seeing them play. Looking at the Stats at the Bantam level is a good starting place. However in this case I still have to go with player 10 and 7 as there best players overall
last night. + - leader whos dad is also a coach on this team did skate very well, but he did not seem to have it last night. For me I have to see the player. Stats are ok but I still need to see the player skate and play the game. One bad game can or by the number of penaltys they take, can change some of the stats. Overall they have some good players that can skate. Rumor last night was 17 to Hill Murray 7 and 30 to Holy Angels.
ssp hockey
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 3:45 pm
by haveit
Some of you people haven't been watching this team. 17 doesn't play both ways. He is a one way player, hope hm will correct it. 7 let all the goals in! the other team skated right around him, so how did that make is outstanding. 15 is one of the better players, along with 16 and 12. That line had more chances than all the rest. 10 gets himself into alot of penalties due to those hits and 3 is either on or off. So come to more than just one game! It would be interesting if igh's hockey team folds, and many of the rest of the players are thinking of coming to ssp.
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 4:16 pm
by Jerry
[quote="pantherfan"][quote="no-fly-bys"]#12 is a 10th grader. +/- is the way to go if you can't stop them from scoring at the A banam level, you won't at the Varsity level. Remember also the Refs, they always don't get the right players on the scoring sheets. But the +/- is the way to go!
[quote="Gems"][quote="pantherfan"][quote="no-fly-bys"]I don't agree with you panther fan. The A bantams have a very good talent level of 8th graders from SSP . Plus some very good A peewee players. I know they are young but in a small association a lot of these players will contribute early in there high school careers. I believe SSP will be in great shape with all the underclassman they have playing 7 jun., 5 soph, 1 fresh. Great expierence for these underclassman to be playing everyday at this level....[/quote]
In this order is how I rank there top 5 A Bantam players> I have no idea which school they are from
Top 2 players tonight
10 very soild forward hits hard
7 Played forward and Def VERY SOILD all around player
Rounding out the game tonight
3 Big strong with the puck little slow
12 quick feet finds the open area slow with passing
15 good with the puck trys to carrie it to much without passing
I don't see 2 High Schools worth of talent, 1 maybe togeather but no way 2. So I will stand buy and see what happens in the next 3 years.[/quote]
Best way to rank players is over a season and I went on-line and found they keep stats...here is what I found...
#3 33pts.
#17 32pts.
#12 30pts.
#15 25pts.
#10 24pts.
#7 16pts.
What I find very telling is a players +/- rating...top players on this team by +/- would be...
#17 +15 SSP
#15 +13 SSP
#10 +12 IGH
#3 +8 IGH
#12 +2 IGH
#7 +1 IGH
any thoughts on the +/- system in rating players that you have not seen play?[/quote][/quote]
I don't rank players without seeing them play. Looking at the Stats at the Bantam level is a good starting place. However in this case I still have to go with player 10 and 7 as there best players overall [b]last night[/b]. + - leader whos dad is also a coach on this team did skate very well, but he did not seem to have it last night. For me I have to see the player. Stats are ok but I still need to see the player skate and play the game. One bad game can or by the number of penaltys they take, can change some of the stats. Overall they have some good players that can skate. Rumor last night was 17 to Hill Murray 7 and 30 to Holy Angels.[/quote]
7 IGH 11 13 24 2 0 12.0 16 Plus 16 24 points
www.ighha.org
Re: ssp hockey
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:38 pm
by pantherfan
haveit wrote:Some of you people haven't been watching this team. 17 doesn't play both ways. He is a one way player, hope hm will correct it. 7 let all the goals in! the other team skated right around him, so how did that make is outstanding. 15 is one of the better players, along with 16 and 12. That line had more chances than all the rest. 10 gets himself into alot of penalties due to those hits and 3 is either on or off. So come to more than just one game! It would be interesting if igh's hockey team folds, and many of the rest of the players are thinking of coming to ssp.
No you have it wrong. 1 Goal was made when he was foreward and 1 when he was on D during a penalty kill. and one was a penalty shot. So if you are going to make a statement Be HONEST. I see you play the same team tonight good luck. 15 skates for edge 17 Breakaways 7 NEEHS I see them all in the summer, good luck in the future.
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:05 pm
by no-fly-bys
Haveit and pantherfan are you from igh or ssp? Are you dads who are in a dispute? It is to bad that parents let there kids leave there association to go play a sport in another school. Looks like sports first school second. I hope it is worth it. 17 leaving SSP will hurt them and he should make a contribution to HM by his SOPH or Jr. season, has to learn to play with others. As for 7 and 30 good luck. By there Junior seasons you should be playing for HA. You could be wearing a Sweater as a freshman on SSP or IGH.. Make that SSP. IGH won't have a team...
Re: ssp hockey
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:11 pm
by Reg7
haveit wrote:Some of you people haven't been watching this team. 17 doesn't play both ways. He is a one way player, hope hm will correct it. 7 let all the goals in! the other team skated right around him, so how did that make is outstanding. 15 is one of the better players, along with 16 and 12. That line had more chances than all the rest. 10 gets himself into alot of penalties due to those hits and 3 is either on or off. So come to more than just one game! It would be interesting if igh's hockey team folds, and many of the rest of the players are thinking of coming to ssp.
"haveit" you have NOT been to enough games...#15 big strong skater (needs better vision)...#7 has most of the skills needed (needs to find the desire)...#10 good skater, gives hard checks (needs to keep focus for the entire game...loses his head sometimes)...#17 great passer and very skilled (needs to learn to stay in the game when things go south)...#3 has good skill (needs to bring his A game every night otherwise he is slow)...#12 strong skater (needs to work on hands and not be so timid)...#16 average player (needs to learn to stay agressive to be effective)...
..."haveit" a great night.
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:49 pm
by pantherfan
No lakeville born and raised
ssp hockey
Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:22 am
by haveit
The team played champlin park, 16 scored the only 2 goals. Again the line that has been performing has been 15, 12, 16, consistent line. Not flashy, not trying to make the end to end moves, but play and pass. Don't focus on the stats for this team. What you read isn't what really occurs. Padding is going on both ways. Incorrect goals being recorded and players not being recorded for -'s. Look whose players parents are on the bench or managing along with friendship associations. This team has behind the scene issues. As do many teams. Unfortunetly it carries onto the next levels on both teams. Ask around as to the character of some of those top players, you will find their teammates don't have many good things to say, and could care less where they end up next year.
Re: ssp hockey
Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:27 pm
by no-fly-bys
Didn"t make the game but I did here that that line did play well. The team Champlin park is not that good of team. But you could be right in the scoring. It's Igh I wouldn't put it past them. They need to make a statement in order to keep the program going.
haveit wrote:The team played champlin park, 16 scored the only 2 goals. Again the line that has been performing has been 15, 12, 16, consistent line. Not flashy, not trying to make the end to end moves, but play and pass. Don't focus on the stats for this team. What you read isn't what really occurs. Padding is going on both ways. Incorrect goals being recorded and players not being recorded for -'s. Look whose players parents are on the bench or managing along with friendship associations. This team has behind the scene issues. As do many teams. Unfortunetly it carries onto the next levels on both teams. Ask around as to the character of some of those top players, you will find their teammates don't have many good things to say, and could care less where they end up next year.
Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:04 pm
by GapControl
I was told there was 3 goals against CP. and yes i heard that line did have a good game, but consistent? not sure about that. I was told they had plenty of other oppurtunitys that game. but that game. Are you sure "haveit" that the problems dont stem from the bleachers? Ive seen and heard it. Alot of coaching at home goes on it that town, even the so called studs playing on the varsity team. Alot of dreams being lived.
ssp hockey
Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:15 pm
by haveit
agreed! all across the board. Coaching from the stands seems to be what is getting this team to move forward in a better direction. 3rd goal empty net! enough said!
Re: ssp hockey
Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 5:10 pm
by Reg7
haveit wrote:The team played champlin park, 16 scored the only 2 goals. Again the line that has been performing has been 15, 12, 16, consistent line. Not flashy, not trying to make the end to end moves, but play and pass. Don't focus on the stats for this team. What you read isn't what really occurs. Padding is going on both ways. Incorrect goals being recorded and players not being recorded for -'s. Look whose players parents are on the bench or managing along with friendship associations. This team has behind the scene issues. As do many teams. Unfortunetly it carries onto the next levels on both teams. Ask around as to the character of some of those top players, you will find their teammates don't have many good things to say, and could care less where they end up next year.
Caught the game last night vs. Champlin Park (not very good)...16 scored two goals but 10 and 17 were out with him when he scored his first, which I believe 10 and 17 assisted...
Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 5:21 pm
by puckhouse27
I heard that some players on river heights are going to be first round nhl pick some day. you guys crack me up seriously who cares who scored who had the helper for a bantam game, they play many games some kids have good night sometime they have off nights there kids. there is a youth hockey forum for you to talk about YOUTH HOCKEY.
Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 5:27 pm
by Reg7
Can't disagree with you on that...
OOOKKK
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 4:35 am
by ndor53
Well I have been listening to you all complain about this and that about the high school teams down to the bantam teams and I have been biting my tongue so here it goes.
High School - New IGH coach has been doing a good job controling the team for the most part. Has some good kids, just needs to get deeper. He has gotten rid of all the bad apples and the few that left this year just needed to trust the guy more and stick with it but I guess they know better as kids think they do. Better to go quiet then go at it half hearted. This coach knows that to get good players at Varsity they have to have two years to grow at the Bantam level.
SSP High School Coach has talent on his team, Except each one thinks they are the one (super star)and they do not play like a true team. Half of the kids that are forced to play at this level never fully adjusted at the Bantam level. Just because you have 100 points against easy Bantam teams does not mean you are ready for varsity. Just think how good this team would be if they had made all the players play TWO years at the Bantam level like the good programs do. I think they would be better this year and grown up a little bit more. The problem here is that the kids need to get benched when they start screwing up or taking stuipid calls in the box. SSP Coach I know Wilcox is on the way out but you wont win in playoffs when you are in the box, fix it now before you get in the playoffs.
**Funny side note is that the SSP Girls team has same problem. Girls running to Ref to say I scored, I got the assist. Coach pushes stats for some reason. I wont go into playing time
Now since I do other things besides watch hockey I do not make all the high school games for both cities or Bantam Games but have seen a few at Wakota and the few I have seen that they are under achieving a bit but it seems to be better lately besides that CP games the other day. That was weak. I agree that it does not matter who is the goal scorer but you do need to hit at the Varsity level and did not see much out of that from this team.
3 and 10 hit, 17 when he wants to. The others turn away from hits like 16, 12, and all the defense. HEY DEFENSE YOU NEED TO HIT GUYS!!!!!
Now I also remember that 3, 10, 6, are returning players to the team and seem better for it which ever high school they go to.
17 is Brown's kid, which by the way went to Simley, lives in SSP but is sending his kid to Hill, what does he know that we don't....
Makes you think...........