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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 1:43 pm
by johnnyquest
Hey, thats not fair - you can't bring "america" into this. What's next, apple pie.?
Stillwater High School does have a 'feeder/youth" program, it's called the Stillwater Area Youth Hockey Assoc. Hill Murray does also. It's called the entire metro area ( and apparantly a large portion of stillwater).
Every player on the Hill team is a product of some other assoc's upbringing and that's fine (getting back to that "free" thing.) Just go play hockey against other schools that are utilizing that "free" thing as well.
Now excuse me while I unlock my chains.
HM - Richfield
Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 1:59 pm
by stpaul
No - it's really pretty much just Stillwater, Woodbury, White Bear, NSP, Tartan and Mounds View. Sometimes Forest Lake, Park, West St. Paul or Wisconsin. Sorry about those darn Stillwater families choosing Hill-Murray, paying the $10G tuition and not taking the taxpayer paid for high school. Also it's been 35 years since private schools joined the MSHSL and the private school tournament ended. It's probably time to get over it.
Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:03 pm
by Pioneerprideguy
So I suspect, every metro high school should be a feeder program for the U of M?
HM - Richfield
Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:06 pm
by stpaul
Yeah, why isn't Stillwater Youth Hockey pissed off about Chris Casto committing to UMD? That traitor!
Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:08 pm
by DmanDad1980
Pioneerprideguy wrote:HShockeywatcher wrote:Doubt it, but that would be great for St Thomas
If you can't take care of things on your own, you don't deserve it.
Just like they do at Hill-Murray Junior High and Hill-Murray Elementary School systems...
Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:43 pm
by PoniesDad45
They should put all the private AA Metro schools into their own section so only one goes to the state tourney.
Do the same for private A metro schools.
Then we would see how many people pay 10G for tuition knowing their child probably won't be playng in the state tourney.
Also would encourage talented players to play for their hometown programs and learn a forgotten value called loyalty.
Crazy concept for some I know.
Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:47 pm
by hockeyfan893
[quote="PoniesDad45"]They should put all the private AA Metro schools into their own section so only one goes to the state tourney.
Do the same for private A metro schools.
Then we would see how many people pay 10G for tuition knowing their child probably won't be playng in the state tourney.
Also would encourage talented players to play for their hometown programs and learn a forgotten value called loyalty.
Crazy concept for some I know.[/quote]
Most people capable of putting up 10k in tuition for a private school educational opportunity would, despite how you divide up the sports programs.
A lot of private school haters here are missing the fact that there are more important things that families consider when choosing a private school over a public school. It's not about "loyalty" or playing for the "hometown". Religion, education, social environment, smaller class sizes, more focused college counseling, etc etc.
So because these families aren't being 'loyal', according to you, we should change the format because the private schools in addition to the other benefits they have for families capable of posting the tuition, also beat the public schools in sports?
Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:59 pm
by PoniesDad45
hockeyfan893 wrote:PoniesDad45 wrote:They should put all the private AA Metro schools into their own section so only one goes to the state tourney.
Do the same for private A metro schools.
Then we would see how many people pay 10G for tuition knowing their child probably won't be playng in the state tourney.
Also would encourage talented players to play for their hometown programs and learn a forgotten value called loyalty.
Crazy concept for some I know.
Most people capable of putting up 10k in tuition for a private school educational opportunity would, despite how you divide up the sports programs.
A lot of private school haters here are missing the fact that there are more important things that families consider when choosing a private school over a public school. It's not about "loyalty" or playing for the "hometown". Religion, education, social environment, smaller class sizes, more focused college counseling, etc etc.
So because these families aren't being 'loyal', according to you, we should change the format because the private schools in addition to the other benefits they have for families capable of posting the tuition, also beat the public schools in sports?
I agree, and I don't hate private schools. I respect the sacrifices that people make for the education of their kids. I just think only one AA and one A school belongs in the state tourney. Would prevent all stacking of teams and promote public programs.
Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:03 pm
by Pioneerprideguy
Listening to this logic, one might assume Private schools dominate the AA tournament every year. Or that the majority of teams that make the field are private schools. Public schools make up the majority of the tournament and win it all far more often. Don't quite see what all the fuss is about.
Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:17 pm
by hockeyfan893
Agreed with PPG.
Since 1992, private schools have won the AA state championship only four times. Holy Angels twice, Cretin once, Hill Murray once. 4 of the past 18. I think it's safe to say that the public schools are doing fairly well.
Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 11:04 am
by Northsider
If Hill-Murray and all the other private schools were put together in one section, Hill would probably not be hurt at all seeing Hill has got more hockey tradition and legacy than Totino, Cretin, Benilde, Holy Angels, Breck, Blake, Marshall, Lourdes, STA, and Cathedral combined.
Hill would still draw kids because Hill would still be going to state.
Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 11:06 am
by Zamman
Northsider wrote:If Hill-Murray and all the other private schools were put together in one section, Hill would probably not be hurt at all seeing Hill has got more hockey tradition and legacy than Totino, Cretin, Benilde, Holy Angels, Breck, Blake, Marshall, Lourdes, STA, and Cathedral combined.
Hill would still draw kids because Hill would still be going to state.
Nice to see newbies on the board that know nothing. All Hill has is more times to the tourney. All the other schools have been around and have had teams. Some of them good teams.
Also nice to ruin this topic with suggesting putting them in the same section.
Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 11:29 am
by sachishi4
but I thought it would so much fun to be a private school, and you were always pleased when you did, are you too scared to have more than 1 private in the tourney? Maybe instead of excuses, the public schools could work on their programs better..jus' sayin...
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:19 pm
by gophs16
sachishi4 wrote:but I thought it would so much fun to be a private school, and you were always pleased when you did, are you too scared to have more than 1 private in the tourney? Maybe instead of excuses, the public schools could work on their programs better..jus' sayin...
Public school's build their programs from the youth level up. Look at Stillwater, they could have faust bruchu bahe casto and shaunessey(they don't need another goalie I guess). That's easily a top ten team with those 5 playing. What I'm trying to say is that these public schools do have great programs, when private school's don't come and swoop up their players.
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:45 pm
by stpaul
"Public school's build their programs from the youth level up."
This is a statement that is repeated over and over again on this board. Once again youth hockey associations are neither owned nor operated by the local public high school. Hill-Murray didn't "swoop up" anyone. Families get to make choices in this great country of ours. Once again I'm sorry about those dang Stillwater families that enrolled their kids at HM, paid the $10,000 tuition and didn't pick the $12,000+ taxpayer paid for school.
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:39 pm
by GreekChurch
gophs16 wrote:sachishi4 wrote:but I thought it would so much fun to be a private school, and you were always pleased when you did, are you too scared to have more than 1 private in the tourney? Maybe instead of excuses, the public schools could work on their programs better..jus' sayin...
Public school's build their programs from the youth level up. Look at Stillwater, they could have faust bruchu bahe casto and shaunessey(they don't need another goalie I guess). That's easily a top ten team with those 5 playing. What I'm trying to say is that these public schools do have great programs, when private school's don't come and swoop up their players.
Neither public or private build our youth programs. Parents build the youth programs, with their time, and money. This seems to be a big sticking point for alot of people, but the reality is those same parents who supported the youth system for many years, get a choice just like everyone else as to where they send their kids to High school. Nobody steals anybody. What about all the private grade school kids that go to public High Schools - were thses kids stolen from the Parochial high Schools ?
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Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 2:59 pm
by Hankya
Too many parents are picking their kids futures. They are everywhere, but now more evident then at Hill. Funny thing is.......once hockey is over for these kids, they no longer have the childhood friendships they made as youth hockey players. This happens at all Privates and yes, kids make new friends in their new schools. But the parents don't. They are too busy talking about how good their kid is or was.
Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 3:07 pm
by Zamman
Hankya wrote:Too many parents are picking their kids futures. They are everywhere, but now more evident then at Hill. Funny thing is.......once hockey is over for these kids, they no longer have the childhood friendships they made as youth hockey players. This happens at all Privates and yes, kids make new friends in their new schools. But the parents don't. They are too busy talking about how good their kid is or was.
Lot you know, I attended private school from 1 - 12 and two of my best friends are also private school kids that I grew up with. Their parents are friends of my parents along with the parents of the kids that went to public.
Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 3:11 pm
by DotaDangler
Northsider wrote:If Hill-Murray and all the other private schools were put together in one section, Hill would probably not be hurt at all seeing Hill has got more hockey tradition and legacy than Totino, Cretin, Benilde, Holy Angels, Breck, Blake, Marshall, Lourdes, STA, and Cathedral combined.
Hill would still draw kids because Hill would still be going to state.
I remember my first beer
Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 3:44 pm
by Pioneerprideguy
And this just in....HM 12 Richfield 3.
Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 5:44 pm
by sachishi4
Hankya wrote:Too many parents are picking their kids futures. They are everywhere, but now more evident then at Hill. Funny thing is.......once hockey is over for these kids, they no longer have the childhood friendships they made as youth hockey players. This happens at all Privates and yes, kids make new friends in their new schools. But the parents don't. They are too busy talking about how good their kid is or was.
Not to say youre out of touch, but in the world of facebook, myspace, summer vacation, hockey camps, and cell phones, one kid going to a private school and one kid going to a public school will not end a friendship.
Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:07 pm
by tourneytickssince59
PoniesDad45 wrote:They should put all the private AA Metro schools into their own section so only one goes to the state tourney.
Do the same for private A metro schools.
Then we would see how many people pay 10G for tuition knowing their child probably won't be playng in the state tourney.
Also would encourage talented players to play for their hometown programs and learn a forgotten value called loyalty.
Crazy concept for some I know.
Loyalty to what? A high school they were never going to go to in the first place? Why so bigoted towards private high schools? How many people do you really think send their child to a certain high school strictly based on sports? Kids and their parents owe nothing to the school district within which they live other than their vote and taxes. Parents can send their child to the school of their choice.
Based on your member name, you must still be smarting over the section final.
Hey, what about the girls that xfered to the Stillwater varsity team?
Don't they owe some loyalty to their associations?