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Factsmatter1 wrote:

K Dope wrote:

HShockeywatcher wrote:Pretty sure I'm in the minority here; Edina beats Burnsville, Burnsville ties and beats Jefferson and Holy Angels ties Edina. Looking at head to head games it seems pretty cut and dry to me. Although I think all three teams should cancel a game or two from their schedules and pick up games with the teams they don't currently have on their schedule next year.

2AA
1) Edina
2) Holy Angels
3) Burnsville
4) Jefferson

This section is not so cut and dry.
-Minnetonka has beaten 3 of the 4 teams below them and tied the other, clearly the top seed. After them, things get confusing.
Of the top 5 teams, Benilde has only played Wayzata and Eden Prairie has only played Minnetonka. While there is mutual fault in play when two teams don't play each other, those should be the games used to determine seeds, unless there are no mutual games at all.
-Many have Wayzata at #2...but they lost to Benilde on neutral ice. If Wayzata is that good and Benilde beat them, well, Benilde must be that good too.
-Next I have Wayzata. While they have not played Eden Praire, they beat a good Edina team (3 teams), a team who beat Eden Prairie.
-Why Eden Prairie scheduled Hermantown instead of a section opponent is beyond me. While they lost to Tonka by only 1, the Eagles are the ONLY team in the section without a section win.
-Hopkins played Wayzata good twice, including an OT loss. Any group of kids who overlooks their match up with this team will probably come up short.

6AA
1) Minnetonka
2) Benilde
3) Wayzata
4) Eden Prairie
5) Hopkins

While I doubt either of these sections will end up like this, and I do understand the reasons for putting them differently, considering the head to head match ups, I don't agree with them ending up any other way.

Benilde beat Wayzata at SLP, their home rink. Regardless of which sheet is was on, Benilde practices on both. Wayzata is the Classic Lake Conference Champion with Tonka finishing runner-up (Tonka fans like to downplay this) and Edina in third. Yet both Edina and Tonka (with a lot of victories over weak 1A opponents) get #1 seeds.

All 6AA teams need to watch out for Alex Fonz and Hopkins.

Karl - great job all season.

Come on K Dope ...100 out of 100 people would agree that Tonka and Edina play a tougher schedule than Wayzata... so drop the homer logic... Just look at any of the quantitative ranking services SOS (strength of schedule stats). The conference Championship means nothing in sections and it shouldn't for exactly the reason it turned out this year in CLC... it tells a very incomplete story and the coaches know that. Tonka is the best team in the state through regular season and the whole state agrees except you and other Trojan homers. The best anyone has done all year is steal a game at Braemar and tie them in Pagel. Not a very convincing case from a team who lost to Benilde and Jefferson, tied Osseo and and was lucky to leave Pagel with a tie. I hope you would at least agree that the state tourney is a whole new deal.... IMHO the winner will be the team who shows up with the hottest goal tender and the best coach and kids who play hungry... It wouldn't surprise me if anypone in the 6AA top 5 win the section...

Doglover wrote:I agree with shakey. The coaches just have to be on top of it right away. It's the ones that wait too long that get waved back. It can be a huge advantage but some coaches are too dense to use it. I'm always amazed when you see a 1st line out against a 3rd-4th line with a couple minutes left in a period or worse yet, a game. You can just see it coming. Not sure if it's ignorance or what? Just bad coaching. Gotta be just frustrating as h#@@ for the players.

shakey wrote:

karl(east) wrote:I guess I don't particularly care if teams have scheduled certain teams or not. It's obnoxious from a ranking standpoint when they don't play each other, I agree. But I'm not going to hold it against anyone, except for when the system inherently hurts a team for a weak schedule.

HShockeywatcher wrote:Oooo, hockey day minnesota outside. Big deal. While it worked out fine for them, scheduling them Wayzata or Tonka again and winning that game would probably put them at #1, or at least #2.
Beating the Hawks was expected, losing would've hurt badly.

You sound like a great East fan when you say this.

Sounds more like an idiot to me (supported by his 6AA rankings and overall "body of work"). By the way, EP did play Tonka.

HShockeywatcher wrote:

shakey wrote:

karl(east) wrote:I guess I don't particularly care if teams have scheduled certain teams or not. It's obnoxious from a ranking standpoint when they don't play each other, I agree. But I'm not going to hold it against anyone, except for when the system inherently hurts a team for a weak schedule.
You sound like a great East fan when you say this.

Sounds more like an idiot to me (supported by his 6AA rankings and overall "body of work"). By the way, EP did play Tonka.

shakey, I know EP played Tonka. But they lost. Which is why I said played again.

karl, the situation is much different with East. East doesn't play 19 conference games a year, they play a whopping ZERO. Eden Prairie also doesn't walk around with their heads held high every year claiming to be the best team in the area despite not being willing to play the other good teams in the area.

karl(east) wrote:

HShockeywatcher wrote:

shakey wrote: Sounds more like an idiot to me (supported by his 6AA rankings and overall "body of work"). By the way, EP did play Tonka.

shakey, I know EP played Tonka. But they lost. Which is why I said played again.

karl, the situation is much different with East. East doesn't play 19 conference games a year, they play a whopping ZERO. Eden Prairie also doesn't walk around with their heads held high every year claiming to be the best team in the area despite not being willing to play the other good teams in the area.

Did you honestly think that was a serious comment?

buddish4mrhockey wrote:2AA
1) JEFF
2) EDINA
3) Burns
4) Holy Stars

Jeff/Burns or Holy Stars/Burns for section final

6AA
1) MTKA-win final meeting against trojans
2) Wayzata
3) Ep
4) BSM

MTKA vs Wayzata section final... Trojans win

gitter wrote:

blueblood wrote:Sorry lakeguy, like slap shot said, too many losses for the #2 seed. It doesn't make much difference (except jersey color) as your playing the same team in the semifinals whether your the 2 or the 3.

Correct on Wayzata being ahead of EP at this point.

Incorrect on it not making a difference. Last change for the "home" team can turn out to be the deciding factor in games like this. If you've ever played hockey at the Varsity level or beyond, you know how important line matching is.

Lakeviewing wrote:The coach of EP didn't argue the fact of EP winning the Lake Conference enough. EP should have gotten major consideration for winning the Lake with teams like Jefferson, Burnsville, Eagan.