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Secord sucks wrote:

stupidiswhatstupiddoes wrote:

Secord sucks wrote:This is funny! It seems to me that many programs let the coach of each level make these decisions. Just because the 96 Legacy was lucky enough to form a strong team and has never plucked kids does not mean that the lower levels are not plucking kids all over the place. Legacy, Icemen, Monopoly are doing this at the younger levels.. If you are lucky enough to say your kid has not had this experience well good for you. But trust me it is happening all over the place and it's not good for the program or AAA hockey.

Make sure you discuss these matters with the coach before you write the check.

I find it funny that when people on this forum, or life in general, get all bent out of shape and lay fault with another person or institution or program, etc. They tend to never look at their own personal involvement and tend to have trouble coming to ask themselves what they would have done differently to avoid the negative situation or circumstance.

Truth be told, when people have a problem there is always another side to the story.

In the cases you are claiming against these programs you are implying that the coaches told the parents and the kids that they would be playing in the tournaments and therefore paid to play in the tournaments but when the tournaments come around they are telling them they can't play??? Is that what you are saying?

Or, maybe, are you seeing names on rosters or on the ice that don't associate with a particular program and making an assumption that somebody got screwed so this other kid could play.

What is it?

Here is what I see happening. Parents are told that their kids will have a fair chance to make the tournament team. When tournament time comes around and the coach can pick up better skaters from other teams, he will. Some coaches, not all will play their own kids based on how many studs they can pluck. It happens a lot and I think it is wrong. If you think this is OK then you can be put in the group of people that would put the "W" before the confidence of a third line skater. If a kid is told he is a practice player that is fine but I do not believe in giving kids false hope and crushing thier confidence.

I don't entirely disagree with your ideas. I do think it is the organizations responsibility to communicate these things with their parents and players. What I don't understand is where you come up with the programs you claim to do this. I have a son on a young Monopoly team, and no players that have played with his team have played for any other program at his age. I know that to be true for the 99' 00's and 01's. I can't speak to the Legacy or Icemen. I know other programs have asked us and other players on Monopoly teams to fill in on their teams for a tournament. I do not know what those programs have told to their families in regards to playing time. I am curious where you get the idea that the programs you called out do this. I know you are off on one.

Secord sucks wrote:

stupidiswhatstupiddoes wrote:

Secord sucks wrote:This is funny! It seems to me that many programs let the coach of each level make these decisions. Just because the 96 Legacy was lucky enough to form a strong team and has never plucked kids does not mean that the lower levels are not plucking kids all over the place. Legacy, Icemen, Monopoly are doing this at the younger levels.. If you are lucky enough to say your kid has not had this experience well good for you. But trust me it is happening all over the place and it's not good for the program or AAA hockey.

Make sure you discuss these matters with the coach before you write the check.

I find it funny that when people on this forum, or life in general, get all bent out of shape and lay fault with another person or institution or program, etc. They tend to never look at their own personal involvement and tend to have trouble coming to ask themselves what they would have done differently to avoid the negative situation or circumstance.

Truth be told, when people have a problem there is always another side to the story.

In the cases you are claiming against these programs you are implying that the coaches told the parents and the kids that they would be playing in the tournaments and therefore paid to play in the tournaments but when the tournaments come around they are telling them they can't play??? Is that what you are saying?

Or, maybe, are you seeing names on rosters or on the ice that don't associate with a particular program and making an assumption that somebody got screwed so this other kid could play.

What is it?

Here is what I see happening. Parents are told that their kids will have a fair chance to make the tournament team. When tournament time comes around and the coach can pick up better skaters from other teams, he will. Some coaches, not all will play their own kids based on how many studs they can pluck. It happens a lot and I think it is wrong. If you think this is OK then you can be put in the group of people that would put the "W" before the confidence of a third line skater. If a kid is told he is a practice player that is fine but I do not believe in giving kids false hope and crushing thier confidence.

If I understand you correctly, you did not make a payment to the program to play in the tournaments? If this is true, I would guess the lesson learned is that there are no guarantees in AAA hockey. No guarantee that he will be on the team next year and no guarantee that he will see a regular shift. The shortening of the bench has been well documented and I would be interested to know if your "3rd liner" was on the tournament roster but only saw the ice occasionally would you still share your same negative opinion?

If the coach led you down a false road by manipulating you to check you to write a check that is unfortunate. I will tell you that the parents on the 1st and 2nd line want to win as much, if not more, than the coach and you can be damn sure that they want the best kids on the ice to help make their kid and their team successful. There are too many complexities to count that run through AAA hockey and parents are typically involved in most of them. Not meant to be a rip on us parents, but it is true.

The complexities of AAA hockey can be a total turn off. That is understandable and therefore playing in a decaffinated version of summer hockey, such as, a 3 on 3 league or MASH or something else may be a good fit for you.

Last thing, you through out some names to programs that you felt were giving AAA hockey a bad reputation. I am still not totally sure of your beef other than how a coaches comment about your son possibly playing in a tournament didn't turn out the way you wanted. I can think of the major AAA programs in town (and I won't name the programs as you did) and I guarantee you those programs push, prod and pull all of the top talent they can onto their teams when the opportunity presents itself.

stupidiswhatstupiddoes wrote:

Secord sucks wrote:

stupidiswhatstupiddoes wrote: I find it funny that when people on this forum, or life in general, get all bent out of shape and lay fault with another person or institution or program, etc. They tend to never look at their own personal involvement and tend to have trouble coming to ask themselves what they would have done differently to avoid the negative situation or circumstance.

Truth be told, when people have a problem there is always another side to the story.

In the cases you are claiming against these programs you are implying that the coaches told the parents and the kids that they would be playing in the tournaments and therefore paid to play in the tournaments but when the tournaments come around they are telling them they can't play??? Is that what you are saying?

Or, maybe, are you seeing names on rosters or on the ice that don't associate with a particular program and making an assumption that somebody got screwed so this other kid could play.

What is it?

Here is what I see happening. Parents are told that their kids will have a fair chance to make the tournament team. When tournament time comes around and the coach can pick up better skaters from other teams, he will. Some coaches, not all will play their own kids based on how many studs they can pluck. It happens a lot and I think it is wrong. If you think this is OK then you can be put in the group of people that would put the "W" before the confidence of a third line skater. If a kid is told he is a practice player that is fine but I do not believe in giving kids false hope and crushing thier confidence.

If I understand you correctly, you did not make a payment to the program to play in the tournaments? If this is true, I would guess the lesson learned is that there are no guarantees in AAA hockey. No guarantee that he will be on the team next year and no guarantee that he will see a regular shift. The shortening of the bench has been well documented and I would be interested to know if your "3rd liner" was on the tournament roster but only saw the ice occasionally would you still share your same negative opinion?

If the coach led you down a false road by manipulating you to check you to write a check that is unfortunate. I will tell you that the parents on the 1st and 2nd line want to win as much, if not more, than the coach and you can be damn sure that they want the best kids on the ice to help make their kid and their team successful. There are too many complexities to count that run through AAA hockey and parents are typically involved in most of them. Not meant to be a rip on us parents, but it is true.

The complexities of AAA hockey can be a total turn off. That is understandable and therefore playing in a decaffinated version of summer hockey, such as, a 3 on 3 league or MASH or something else may be a good fit for you.

Last thing, you through out some names to programs that you felt were giving AAA hockey a bad reputation. I am still not totally sure of your beef other than how a coaches comment about your son possibly playing in a tournament didn't turn out the way you wanted. I can think of the major AAA programs in town (and I won't name the programs as you did) and I guarantee you those programs push, prod and pull all of the top talent they can onto their teams when the opportunity presents itself.

First of all lets get one thing straight. My son is not involved in a program that runs like this and never has. I have always done my homework. Second there are many very good programs that will develop your kids skills and his confidence. I am simply sending out a warning to people that many do operate this way. I have first hand knowledge of 9 and 10 year old kids brought to tears because they did not get to play in an "open" tournament because better skaters were plucked to play for free, yes free. The cost for these tournaments get burried in the team fees of the kids that are at home for the tournaments playing PS2. If you don't mind your son getting his spirit shot down fine , if you do care then do your homework.

If you think it is not happening then you are choosing to look the the way. Or maybe you want to win at any cost.

My son is not involved

I have first hand knowledge

???

I have first hand knowledge of 9 and 10 year old kids brought to tears because they did not get to play in an "open" tournament because better skaters were plucked to play for free, yes free. The cost for these tournaments get burried in the team fees of the kids that are at home for the tournaments playing PS2.

Secord, you should either upgrade your poor son to a PS3, or take the money you saved by making him suffer through NHL 10 on that graphics dinosaur PS2 and buy him a Snipers Edge or Sweet Hands system to work on his maddd skilzzz. That way he will get picked up to play for free on an invite level tournament team, you will save a ton of money, and you can focus your free time on protecting other less fortunate folks who don't do their homework, like, say parents of 3rd line Machine kids who are brought to tears when they never see the ice in a game that is not on running time.

Penalty Box wrote:

I have first hand knowledge of 9 and 10 year old kids brought to tears because they did not get to play in an "open" tournament because better skaters were plucked to play for free, yes free. The cost for these tournaments get burried in the team fees of the kids that are at home for the tournaments playing PS2.

Secord, you should either upgrade your poor son to a PS3, or take the money you saved by making him suffer through NHL 10 on that graphics dinosaur PS2 and buy him a Snipers Edge or Sweet Hands system to work on his maddd skilzzz. That way he will get picked up to play for free on an invite level tournament team, you will save a ton of money, and you can focus your free time on protecting other less fortunate folks who don't do their homework, like, say parents of 3rd line Machine kids who are brought to tears when they never see the ice in a game that is not on running time.

I do like your sense of humor.

One of two things can happen. It will motivate the kid to work harder or the kid will want to quit.

I guess I am a little crazy to worry about a 10 year olds feelings in this world of AAA hockey.

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