PEE-WEE A SCORES

[O-townClown]

Bob,
What part of the ADM model applies to peewees? I thought that the ADM model ended for most association kids at the mite level.

That's a shame if it does.

[Snoopdog007]

Any new scrimmage scores out there?

[old goalie85]

LET THEM HIT !!!!!

[gorilla1]

Farmington 5
Chaska/Chanhassen 5

Had the game ended at the end of the scheduled ice time CC was ahead 5-4. Farmington scored in the additional 5 minutes they kept playing before the doors opened to tie it up. CC was up 4-1 in the second.

[hockeygoof1]

What was the name of this thred again? Oh, that's right, "Peewee A scores." Just for fun, could we stick with it? Mr. Checking -- or no checking, whatever -- enough.

[push the envelope]

Prior Lake 9 Lakeville North 1.

Lakeville North struggled all day to get it out of thier own zone as Prior Lake looked very fast and deep. Could be a team to keep an eye on.

[old goalie85]

How many kids are back from last years Prior Lake team ???

[Shinbone_News]

Bob,
What part of the ADM model applies to peewees? I thought that the ADM model ended for most association kids at the mite level.

That's a shame if it does.

Umm,the ADM is for all youth players up to age 18 and beyond. It's a "development model." If you mean bumpers, mini-nets, and cross-ice soccer games-- ya, you see less of that in Bantams.

[frederick61]

Bob,
What part of the ADM model applies to peewees? I thought that the ADM model ended for most association kids at the mite level.

That's a shame if it does.

Umm,the ADM is for all youth players up to age 18 and beyond. It's a "development model." If you mean bumpers, mini-nets, and cross-ice soccer games-- ya, you see less of that in Bantams.

The hockey associations that I am familiar with use the ADM model at the mite level as a way to train kids in the basics of hockey. The most familiar ADM concept that one can see is at a mite “practice” on a Saturday morning with 30 or so mites on the ice and the ice divided into four sections.

Adults (mostly parents) run each group of 8 kids through a drill in their section under overall supervision of an experienced coach with one or two helpers. Fifteen minutes to a section and the hour is over. Most mites under this model play few games and play few games on a full sheet of ice until they are Squirts. That means a kid spends three to four years going to the rink and skating drills every Saturday.

At the Squirt level, tryouts began and teams are formed. Kids learn from then on by the skill of the coach during the winter and by any non-association hockey activity such as summer AAA.

Except for dividing the rink at the mite level, this process has existed in Minnesota since 1985 when most of the rinks being built were being built to hold ice in the summer.

Before the ADM model, most associations used outdoor ice and formed mite teams. Most of their games were played outside, with some being played in the local arena. In other words, the Mites practiced like Squirts and played “real” games "just like the big kids".

[BadgerBob82]

Fred: You are truly a dinosaur. The Russians told you to skate kids around the face-off circles while they continued to teach their kids skills.

[frederick61]

Fred: You are truly a dinosaur. The Russians told you to skate kids around the face-off circles while they continued to teach their kids skills.

Attack the message, not the messenger. Does ADM work differently than that outlined above?

[TTpuckster]

Fred: You are truly a dinosaur. The Russians told you to skate kids around the face-off circles while they continued to teach their kids skills.

Attack the message, not the messenger. Does ADM work differently than that outlined above?

Hey Fred, nice blog updates in LPH last week and this week.
Thanks,

[Snoopdog007]

Roseau -12
Edina - 0

OG 85 started this peewee score thread. I like the friendly debate but this Roseau team is for real. OK maybe this didn't happen but I know a green and white team won big. Can we stick to scores here? Let's start a ADM thread.

[trippedovertheblueline]

Roseau -12
Edina - 0

OG 85 started this peewee score thread. I like the friendly debate but this Roseau team is for real. OK maybe this didn't happen but I know a green and white team won big. Can we stick to scores here? Let's start a ADM thread.

Snoop you always make things so clear.

[O-townClown]

Fred: You are truly a dinosaur. The Russians told you to skate kids around the face-off circles while they continued to teach their kids skills.

Attack the message, not the messenger. Does ADM work differently than that outlined above?

ADM begins with RW&B for 8 & Under. Focus this year is on the Checking Skill Development Program. HPCs haven't been created yet, but we essentially have it with a Tier I structure (Youth) and the USHL (Junior, also Tier I). The ADM pilot program for 13s and 14s (Bantams) must not have happened in September as planned, because I never heard anything about it.

"Does ADM work differently"? Not sure what you mean, but ADM provides a blueprint for associations to follow from entry-level through to HS ages and even beyond. (Hockey for Life is the 8th and final stage of the LTAD principles that are central to the ADM.)

It would be a shame if an association didn't utilize the curriculum beyond RW&B.

[AlterEagle]

Roseau -12
Edina - 0

OG 85 started this peewee score thread. I like the friendly debate but this Roseau team is for real. OK maybe this didn't happen but I know a green and white team won big. Can we stick to scores here? Let's start a ADM thread.

Roseau isn't green until HS. They're blue. Wierd I know.

[Snoopdog007]

Roseau -12
Edina - 0

OG 85 started this peewee score thread. I like the friendly debate but this Roseau team is for real. OK maybe this didn't happen but I know a green and white team won big. Can we stick to scores here? Let's start a ADM thread.

Roseau isn't green until HS. They're blue. Wierd I know.

Good point Alter - I need to adjust the rabbit ears on my 1966 Zenith.

[AlterEagle]

Roseau -12
Edina - 0

OG 85 started this peewee score thread. I like the friendly debate but this Roseau team is for real. OK maybe this didn't happen but I know a green and white team won big. Can we stick to scores here? Let's start a ADM thread.

Roseau isn't green until HS. They're blue. Wierd I know.

[old goalie85]

Games anyone ?????????????

[frederick61]

Friday night at New Hope
Coon Rapids-4
Armstrong-3

Armstrong showed up with 11 forwards and 2 goalies; they were short 3 players. Coon Rapids showed with 13 forwards and 1 goalie; they were short 2 forwards. Such is the fortunes of peewee A hockey during MEA week.

The game consisted of two 12 minute stop time periods and one third period of 18 minutes running time. Based on last year’s teams (Armstrong finishing strong and Coon Rapids struggling), Armstrong looked to be the favorite.

They were not this night as the Cardinals jumped to a 1-0 lead halfway through the first on a shot off a rebounding puck that landed in front of the goalie. Armstrong tied the score with a minute left in the period on a deflection on a shot from the point. Both teams played good hockey in the first as they adjusted to the lack of checking.

With a little less than 9 minutes to go in the second period, a Coon Rapids forward tried to break the Falcon’s defense at their blue line. He was knocked off the puck, but the puck had enough momentum to slide beyond the two Falcon defenders and to be picked up a Cardinal forward for a clear shot on the goalie. The goalie made the save but left the puck at the crease and the Cardinal forward given a second chance rapped it by the goalie.

With the game beginning to open up in the second period, three checks were thrown (with no calls) and the played slowed. At one point, on the power play, Coon Rapids held the Falcons in their zone for three minutes. During those minutes, the Falcon forwards, now realizing they could muscle the puck by the smaller Cardinal defenders, tried to carry the puck out of their zone through all five Cardinal forwards, only to have it batted back into a corner.

Armstrong tied the score with less than 20 seconds on the clock in the second. Two minutes into the third period, the first and only icing call of the game was made. With less than 7 minutes on the clock, a hustling Cardinal beat the puck to the end line to avoid a second icing call, fired the puck at the goalie from the side. The puck bounced to another Coon Rapids forward who slid the puck by the goalie.

At the 4 minute mark, the Falcons trapped Coon Rapids in their own zone and had a stick scrum in front of the Cardinals goalie bouncing the puck around until it popped loose to Falcon forward on the right side of the goalie who banged it in off the goalie’s side. That tied the score 3-3.

A minute later the first checking penalty was called on the Falcons. When a Coon Rapids shot bounced weirdly off the side of the Falcon goal, the Falcon goalie gambled on freezing the puck. He lost as a Cardinal snapped a shot off behind the net to carom it off the goalie for the winning score, 4-3.

The game ended with wide open end-to-end rushes. The Falcons forwards found success in physically pushing the puck through the Cardinal defenders at the blue line and springing themselves open for a shot on the net, but they couldn’t beat the goalie and they couldn’t make the pass to the open wing (and in some instances the open wing and center). Coon Rapids had their clear shots also, but the Falcons had more opportunities.

[frederick61]

It is always difficult to predict teams and status in late October. But this Saturday’s game at New Prague between the home team Trojans and visiting Shakopee looked to be a good one.

New Prague pushed to join D6 last year and succeeded. The Trojans did not, however, skate a peewee A team, but went with a B1 teams that made it to the West Regional and came close to making it to the state. They lost to the Wayzata Blue who went on to win the state championship.

As for Shakopee, they could be a sleeper in D6. Last year, the Sabre’s peewee A’s played well at times and this year they return half the team.

Unfortunately, the Sabres showed up short three players (MEA again). The Trojans had 13 forwards and 2 goalies; but it was not a game. There were no refs, the clock was off, and coaches set the tempo.

Still, both teams played well in the “opening period” and the game was fairly even. The middle part of the “game” was just power plays. The “final period” found the Sabres finally applying pressure and scoring. But it became obvious that both coaches were still experimenting.
That postpones any comments on either teams play except for two obvious ones; the Sabres have some talent and could pose a threat in D6 this year and the Trojans have a couple of nice skating forwards in two girls. There were few checks thrown (two were thrown by the girls) and no icings.

I stayed to watch the first period of the following Bantam A game between the Trojans and Mpls Park. There were three icings in the first four minutes of that Bantam A game.

That brings me to the point of this post. I caught part of earlier action. It appeared to be a girl’s game between the Trojans and Waconia. Girls were out on the ice, but so were boys. It was a peewee B game. It turns out that New Prague will not be skating a U12 (A or B) team this year. The U12 girls who tried out were on the A team or on one of the peewee B/C teams. Of course some girls could be co-opting with another association.

People were concerned the no check at the peewee level would have an impact on the girls program. It can be argued that at New Prague, this is positive impact in keeping girls involved and on home ice when there are not enough girls trying out or it can be argued this is a negative impact because it undercuts the opportunity for other U12 aged New Prague girls who won’t play with the boys and, as a result, chose not to try out. In either case, as a smart youth hockey coach told me once, “it is what it is”.

[GreekChurch]

The old adage " speed kills" still applies, and even more so now that checking has been taken out. At every level of hockey there have always been faster teams than others. The game plan against these faster teams has always to play Physical to slow them down. This aspect of the game has been taken away. What are the slower teams to do " get faster" Sure, you can work on their stride, start etc. but in reality they just delayed everything to bantams. The waterbug teams will have an advantage in squirts, and now Peewees, but when they get to bantams in will be a very different game for some. IMHO

[57special]

Proper body positioning, intelligent play, and overall good team tactics can all hinder team speed. As long as the refs allow the D to ride people off into the boards and keep the puck carrier in front of them during opponents rushes then they have a chance. A hidden benefit will be that the players who used to rely on the blow up hit will now have to work on their footwork (not necessarily speed) and develop their other defensive skills. Believe me, having a large,strong, body around will still come in very handy in both slot areas and in the corners.

[hockeygoof1]

Great, there's no checking. Please, no more "what ifs." Could we get some scores. Why? Because it's fun.

[frederick61]

Great, there's no checking. Please, no more "what ifs." Could we get some scores. Why? Because it's fun.

Score from Sunday morning:
Roseville-6
Apple Valley-3

Both teams had most of their players, refs were there, and the scoreboard on. Three 12-minute periods were played, but the third period went to running time due to two stoppages for hurt kids (both skated off and returned to play).

The first period was evenly matched. Roseville scored first with a little less then 6 minutes to go in the period. The goal came off a face-off at the Eagles blueline. A Raider wing took the puck and walked around the Eagle defense to beat the goalie high and to his left side. Late in the period, a big Eagle winger broke down the Raider defense to tie the score on a hard shot to the goalie’s right. The period ended 1-1.

In the first minute of the second period, the Raiders crashed the Eagles net and manage to get the puck to the goalie’s weak side for an easy tap-in to take a 2-1 lead. At the 7:00 minute mark the Raiders scored again when an attempted wrap around shot was stopped by the Eagle goalie, but the puck lay at the crease edge and the Valley defense could not move the Raider forward or poke check it. The Raider forward rapped the puck in the net to give Roseville a 3-1 lead. The remainder of the period was slowed with four penalties called. With less than a minute to go in the period, Apple Valley scored on a power play to cut the Raiders lead to 3-2.

Both teams drew a penalty in the opening seconds of the third period. That created a 4 on 4 situation and Roseville capitalized on it, scoring a breakaway to go up 4-2. A Raider forward added a 5th Roseville goal on a “drag and punch” shot from in front of the net, deliberately slowing down dragging the puck across his body as he moved right to left facing the goalie and then punching the shot back to the right to score. It takes time to make such a move. Normally he would have been bodied off the puck. The Raiders added an empty netter as the game wore down to make the final score 6-3.

On the whole, this was a better game than the others that I have seen this year. Roseville has some size and depth in the forwards, Apple Valley has some good potential players mixed with returning talent. But it is “early innings” and the season isn’t officially due to opened for another two weeks.