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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:45 am
by MrBoDangles
the_juiceman wrote:loveitorleaveit wrote:InigoMontoya wrote:In our rush to dislike Bo, we're losing sight of the fact that he is largely correct. Within the metro, there are certainly some talented kids that stay and play for their local high schools, but there are also a load of them that choose the educational experience of a private school, or the educational experience of a public school with a tradition of winning. Of those kids that choose that experience, the best almost always choose the AA schools over the A schools - if they intend to prove they are the best, they have to play with and against the best. I agree with Bo; I don't think (for the best youth players) it'll be any different.
If he really is from Coon Rapids, he should be getting out of there soon just like the others who went to Blaine. We are have a great time. I'll send you a postcard from the State Tournament
It's that type of attitude that creates this problem--instead of trying to be part of the solution--you are part of the problem. I will be interested to see how many go onto the next level of hockey.. probably 1. I guess the end justify the means--at least in your mind.
Problem??
It will only compound more now.....
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:52 am
by loveitorleaveit
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:28 am
by bringbackchecking
From the outside looking in - is that what we get from you loveitorleaveit?
How about someone in D10 where this has taken place this year.
What would you change about it before it gets put in place next year in MN?
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:01 pm
by Milk Carton Matty #6
Changes for A/AA for district 10 next year
A teams play each other twice
AA play each other twice
Then open schedule for rest of teams all year. No need for Elk River, Andover, Blaine, Centennial, Anoka, CP and Rogers to play "A" teams.
If a District 10 or any "A" team for that matter wants to play a "AA" team then call them up and schedule a game. No need for district to force 8-rip 10-rip games on either team.
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:33 pm
by observer
No need for Elk River, Andover, Blaine, Centennial, Anoka, CP and Rogers to play "A" teams.
I don't like the idea of tying youth team placement to high school size as they have nothing to do with one another. Youth Association strength is entirely based on solid recruiting and nothing more. This is more of this we’re better than you which is really stupid. You're not better than anyone. I also see, as an example, that you list Blaine as AA but Blaine is at the bottom of the D10 PeeWee standings behind Irondale. Maybe they should be forced to play single A next year until they get their stuff together.
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:33 pm
by InigoMontoya
Call the teams whatever you want - A, AA, AAA, XXX if you like; it boils down to a few dozen associations forcing everyone else to play B hockey.
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:38 pm
by old goalie85
How will d2 do it?? Anyone??
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:45 pm
by MrBoDangles
old goalie85 wrote:How will d2 do it?? Anyone??
Forest Lake will more than likely be playing in the new "A"(B-1) level. Might get lucky and be able to schedule a game, or two, against an AA club.
Elliot?
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:23 pm
by greybeard58
A little reminder to all, the A/AA will not go into effect until District,Region and State. All Peewee and Bantam teams to qualify for either tournament must first be registered as "A" Bantam or "A" Peewee. If a smaller association or an association from an AA High school wants to register as an A Bantam or an A Peewee team they have the ability to participate in District league play same as an association that is a weak B1 team participating at the B1 level.
The mandating of Associations to field an A level team first differs from District to District. I wold believe that A registered teams will play in the respective District's A level league whether a split round or a home and home.
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:57 pm
by the_juiceman
I am glad you decided to "leave it" they can have you
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:33 pm
by surehockey
Forest Lake school district has the third most kids in d2. Why would they be A ???? Past records??? That seems like an odd way to do it.
Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 12:02 am
by MrBoDangles
surehockey wrote:Forest Lake school district has the third most kids in d2. Why would they be A ???? Past records??? That seems like an odd way to do it.
Just going by Chuck Norris Fan's post of a slated 48. Where do you see the line drawn in District 2?
Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 6:46 am
by skills_coach1
OK guys... HS "rating" for lack of a better term, dictates association "rating". The following txt is from the actual proposal MNHockey passed around to associations to review and.... Comment.. although, not sure what we as an association are supposed to be able to offer up....
Minnesota Hockey
A/AA State and Region Tournament Pilot Program for the season 2012-13
MNH A Association 96 MNH AA Association 45
•1 Year pilot.
•Bantam and Peewee Level of play.
•Regions set up by locality not Maroon and Gold.
•Team classification will follow the High School the association feeds into according to the MSHL web site.
•Association’s wanting to play up or down will submit request to Classification Committee.
Rules and Timelines
•Associations need to declare classification by October 1st of current season.
•Competition committee will meet to review all request to play up or down by October 15th .
•Form’s and directions will be posted on MNH web site and local association web sites.
Rules and Timelines
•The Competition Committee will be made up of the VP Maroon and VP Gold Coordinator and two District Directors or a alternate District Director if committee member is not available. Directors will to be named by the VP from each region.
•Committee will be posted in the MNH handbook.
•Associations who request to play up or down will be notified of their request outcome by third Monday in October.
•Extenuating circumstances will be heard by committee.
Team Declarations
• Associations can have Multiple teams at their approved classification or one at their classification and one at a lower classification (one AA team and one A team). If association wants to have two teams at a level lower than their classification the team’s have to be picked equal. The teams will play in the same league for district play using a unbalanced schedule.
• Associations next team would play at the B level.
District’s and Region’s
•Regions will be decided after review of any request with a November 1st deadline.
•AA teams will be seeded directly into regions. Regions may have play in games to determine the final region seeds.
•A teams will be seeded into regions by district tournaments.
•B teams will be seeded into regions by district tournaments.
Regions for AA
•Bantam AA region locations TBD by District Directors.
•Peewee AA region locations TBD by District Directors.
•Format will be 12 team regions(double elimination format)
•One region greater Minnesota, three regions metro area.
•Two teams advance to state from each region.
Regions for AA
•Teams seeded to region from league play.
•Seeding based on weighted league ranking.
•Play in games if more than 48 teams.
Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 6:12 pm
by old goalie85
That so FL plays AA. That was my ? Thanks.
Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 6:32 pm
by Toomuchtoosoon
48 teams are a joke. Limit it to 16 or 24. Anything below that is no better than a top B1 team. Minnesota hockey has become Western suburbs vs. everyone else at the youth level. Some northern teams can compete in a given year, but it is dominated by the metro. That is reality and we need to deal with it.
With a 48 team set-up, the bantam A champ next year will be Wayzata, with a 50/50 chance it is Wayzata/Edina in AA. Farmington will have players in HS, which will dilute that team.
Wayzata's 2nd tier next year are better than most associations 1st tier. Even Edina's 2nd tier will not be able to compete with them. Look at this year's B1 rankings- both Blue and Gold(a lower B1 team) are mostly 1st years with about a third of the A team being 1st years.
Go with 16 in AA and give the rest of the state a chance to compete.
Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:24 pm
by MrBoDangles
old goalie85 wrote:That so FL plays AA. That was my ? Thanks.
Hey 0G,
Currently in D10
Cambridge-Isanti, AA HS, Playing A Bantam
Coon Rapids, AA HS, Playing A Bantam
Rogers, A HS, Playing "AA" Bantam
It all depended on the way the boards wanted to go. Probably nothing to worry about if your board feels the same way as you.
Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:30 pm
by MrBoDangles
Toomuchtoosoon wrote:48 teams are a joke. Limit it to 16 or 24. Anything below that is no better than a top B1 team. Minnesota hockey has become Western suburbs vs. everyone else at the youth level. Some northern teams can compete in a given year, but it is dominated by the metro. That is reality and we need to deal with it.
With a 48 team set-up, the bantam A champ next year will be Wayzata, with a 50/50 chance it is Wayzata/Edina in AA. Farmington will have players in HS, which will dilute that team.
Wayzata's 2nd tier next year are better than most associations 1st tier. Even Edina's 2nd tier will not be able to compete with them. Look at this year's B1 rankings- both Blue and Gold(a lower B1 team) are mostly 1st years with about a third of the A team being 1st years.
Go with 16 in AA and give the rest of the state a chance to compete.
Please tell me you're not on the Minnesota Hockey Board.........
Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:45 pm
by Toomuchtoosoon
IF I was on the board, AA would be a 16 team tourney. So relax Mr. Dangle.
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:08 am
by old goalie85
I think w/48 we should play AA. With 16 then A. I'm thinking towns like FL,NB,and CL would be better off combining to try to break into the 16.[If that was the case] Don't get me wrong, we have a great sports relationship with both in football/soccer/ whatever. I like being separate BUT??????????????????????
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:27 am
by elliott70
MrBoDangles wrote:old goalie85 wrote:How will d2 do it?? Anyone??
Forest Lake will more than likely be playing in the new "A"(B-1) level. Might get lucky and be able to schedule a game, or two, against an AA club.
Elliot?
The criteria for playing down has not been developed.
The DD will have input to the committee.
#'s and history at that level will be factors.
Scheduling will be dependent on the local schedulers and the district.
D16 will require all A(AA) teams to play each other.
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:47 am
by old goalie85
In d2 NSP,Tarten,Maht, are the only single A schools. The other six are AA Not sure about Wis. D2 may have to combine with 8 or 10.
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:57 am
by elliott70
old goalie85 wrote:In d2 NSP,Tarten,Maht, are the only single A schools. The other six are AA Not sure about Wis. D2 may have to combine with 8 or 10.
The problem with the thought process was maintaining the integrity of the district league.
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:58 am
by MrBoDangles
elliott70 wrote:MrBoDangles wrote:old goalie85 wrote:How will d2 do it?? Anyone??
Forest Lake will more than likely be playing in the new "A"(B-1) level. Might get lucky and be able to schedule a game, or two, against an AA club.
Elliot?
The criteria for playing down has not been developed.
The DD will have input to the committee.
#'s and history at that level will be factors.
Scheduling will be dependent on the local schedulers and the district.
D16 will require all A(AA) teams to play each other.
Sounds like you're saying that associations are out of the decision making process to me...... Is this true?
Could you give an example of how District 2 would be divided after taking a look at the standings? Some of the associations seem to have a great PeeWee A team and then a cellar dwellar Bantam A team - or vise versa. How will all this be worked out?
Thanks!
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:39 am
by elliott70
MrBoDangles wrote:elliott70 wrote:MrBoDangles wrote:
Forest Lake will more than likely be playing in the new "A"(B-1) level. Might get lucky and be able to schedule a game, or two, against an AA club.
Elliot?
The criteria for playing down has not been developed.
The DD will have input to the committee.
#'s and history at that level will be factors.
Scheduling will be dependent on the local schedulers and the district.
D16 will require all A(AA) teams to play each other.
Sounds like you're saying that associations are out of the decision making process to me...... Is this true?
NO.
Local assn will make the decision where they play for play-offs AA, A or B.
They will be required to play the other A teams if they elect to play AA (in D16).
Could you give an example of how District 2 would be divided after taking a look at the standings? Some of the associations seem to have a great PeeWee A team and then a cellar dwellar Bantam A team - or vise versa. How will all this be worked out?
Well, not knowing D2 that well it is difficult to answer.
I will go look at the district stuff and give you my idea.
Thanks!
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:43 am
by elliott70
Pee Wee A standings
STILLWATER AA
HIGHLAND A
WHITE BEAR L AKE AA
TARTAN AA
MOUNDS VIEW AA
ROSEVILLE AA
FOREST LAKE AA
MATHTOMIDA A
NORTH ST PAUL AA
Not sure if this is correct.
If it were just me, Stillwater and White Bear Lake would be AA next year in bantams.
The balance of the AA teams could opt down if they wanted.
Perhaps Rosevill stays AA.
Opting up, I would say HIghland 'yes'.
Maht - no.
That in a two minute review.
Of ocurse, I am not very strict, giving the locals more credit than others may give them.
