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Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:43 pm**

Snap Happy wrote:
Master Recruiter wrote:Just got home from the EP-Armstrong game tonight and was searching box scores on mnhockeyhub. I click through the games, and see Lakeville South defeated Winona 19-0. I then see Mr. Hockey candidate Justin Klooos with 8 assists. I am thinking to myself; how is this possible? I then check the box score and see he had 2 assists in the 3rd period including one with 15 seconds to go in the game up 18-0. Did the South coach really have him on the ice in this situation?

Please tell me this is a mistake. Was anyone at the game to see this?
Kloos could end up being the state points leader when all's said and done this year. Why wouldn't coach allow him to rack up the points? He's worked hard and had a great career - doesn't he deserve it??? Plus to have a player bring that title to their town is a pretty good thing for hockey there.... Just my opinion.[/quote]
One day a coach is going to cost a great player his career by leaving him in a meaningless situation like this.... Hooray for the player with this much talent, BOO for the coach who should be given the "coaching idiot of the year" award leaving him in!!! Don't blame the player!!!!!!

Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:53 pm**

Kloos was not playing a regular shift in the 2nd and 3rd. I don't believe you should completely bench a player for 2 periods because the other team sucks. He has carried LS most of the year and he deserved to go out there every so often and set his teammates up, which he did. He wasn't going end to end and scoring or overly exerting himself, when he got the puck he effortlessly made one or 2 moves and found someone wide open.. Jesus people, no one likes when the score gets up this high but it happens so deal with it and move on

Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:55 pm**

mulefarm wrote:
Neuuman wrote:
Gopher Blog wrote:I didn't see the game so I can't entirely judge but I never like seeing a 1st line or a star player getting a lot of ice time in a game that is pretty much a blow out early on. No need for it.

I don't blame the kid when it happens though... I blame the coach.
ABSOLUTELY ! ! ! ! As I stated earlier, he should have been showered and in the stands in street clothes.
Why won't he be on the bench encouraging his teammates? I thought hockey was a team game?

Probably for the same reason the Harlem Globetrotters don't stick around to cheer on their teammates in the 4th quarter against the Washington Generals. It looks bad. Who gets excited at a football game when a team is winning 42-0 in the fourth quarter and they kick a field goal to go up 45-0? At that point, I think everybody (players, coaches, announcers, trainers, water boys - from BOTH TEAMS) just want it to be over.

Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:56 pm**

Where is all the outrage when BSM "runs up the score"? I missed them, where are the threads on Tonka and OMG tonight? What is Baskin doing on the ice scoring goals in the 3rd?
Or maybe it's all just a bunch of parents from North having a good time, eh?

Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:02 pm**

Pretty sure your onto something there Jimbo

Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:14 pm**

RickyTicky wrote:Pretty sure your onto something there Jimbo

On to thin ice, in my opinion.

Problem with LS is that we've seen this happen before. And nobody has looked at the stat sheets for those other games to see if the first line was playing late in the third. Maybe that's what you're doing right now?

Here, I'll help you. Eagan 12, Rsmt 0. Score was 10-0 after 2 periods. Last two goals scored in running time by the fourth line...one was the kid's 2nd varsity goal ever, while the other kid scored his first ever varsity goal. First and second lines sat last 10 minutes of game, alongside the top 3 d-men (4th was injured and did not dress). See a problem there?

Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:15 pm**

RickyTicky wrote:Kloos was not playing a regular shift in the 2nd and 3rd. I don't believe you should completely bench a player for 2 periods because the other team sucks. He has carried LS most of the year and he deserved to go out there every so often and set his teammates up, which he did. He wasn't going end to end and scoring or overly exerting himself, when he got the puck he effortlessly made one or 2 moves and found someone wide open.. Jesus people, no one likes when the score gets up this high but it happens so deal with it and move on

Just like everyone's said; we have a system where these games have to happen. Everyone makes the playoffs. It's a catch 22; you want everyone to make the playoffs so no one gets hurt, but then when a bad team is paired with a good one, it's a wasted game.

From the sounds of it, the score could've easily been double what it was had Lakeville wanted it to me. Maybe it was classless for the Winona coach to continue; he should've just forfeited.

Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:15 pm**

Neuuman wrote:
mulefarm wrote:
Neuuman wrote: ABSOLUTELY ! ! ! ! As I stated earlier, he should have been showered and in the stands in street clothes.
Why won't he be on the bench encouraging his teammates? I thought hockey was a team game?
Probably for the same reason the Harlem Globetrotters don't stick around to cheer on their teammates in the 4th quarter against the Washington Generals. It looks bad. Who gets excited at a football game when a team is winning 42-0 in the fourth quarter and they kick a field goal to go up 45-0? At that point, I think everybody (players, coaches, announcers, trainers, water boys - from BOTH TEAMS) just want it to be over.

Never heard of a HS coach sending a player to the shower with the game going on? Do you think that would have made Winona feel better?

Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:22 pm**

Bottom line is Kloos should not have been on the rink and that is the coaches call. If its my team the kid has his skates drying after the first.

Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:25 pm**

mulefarm wrote:
Neuuman wrote:
mulefarm wrote: Why won't he be on the bench encouraging his teammates? I thought hockey was a team game?
Probably for the same reason the Harlem Globetrotters don't stick around to cheer on their teammates in the 4th quarter against the Washington Generals. It looks bad. Who gets excited at a football game when a team is winning 42-0 in the fourth quarter and they kick a field goal to go up 45-0? At that point, I think everybody (players, coaches, announcers, trainers, water boys - from BOTH TEAMS) just want it to be over.

Never heard of a HS coach sending a player to the shower with the game going on? Do you think that would have made Winona fe
el better?

Neal, Aaron Broten and Butsy Erickson were sent to the showers plenty of times to watch from the stands in blow out games.

Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:25 pm**

Bottom line is Kloos should have been in the USHL so the score could have been 15-0.

Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:27 pm**

I guess I didn't have a problem with Kloos being out on D every so often. The kid wants to play and deserves to play and shouldn't be benched for 2 periods in his last home game just because the other team is beyond god awful. The game was in hand after the 1st so putting him at D so he can get some ice and set up teammates made sense. You can only do so much to cater to the other team to make them feel good, you shouldn't have to punish your player by benching them for 2 periods in their last home game. Thats my opinion, I'm sure other peoples will differ but either way this needs to be dropped and move on.. This comes up every year

Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:27 pm**

Sats81 wrote:
mulefarm wrote:
Neuuman wrote: Probably for the same reason the Harlem Globetrotters don't stick around to cheer on their teammates in the 4th quarter against the Washington Generals. It looks bad. Who gets excited at a football game when a team is winning 42-0 in the fourth quarter and they kick a field goal to go up 45-0? At that point, I think everybody (players, coaches, announcers, trainers, water boys - from BOTH TEAMS) just want it to be over.

Never heard of a HS coach sending a player to the shower with the game going on? Do you think that would have made Winona fe
el better?
Neal, Aaron Broten and Butsy Erickson were sent to the showers plenty of times to watch from the stands in blow out games.

I know for a fact they weren't, so please don't make things up!

Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:31 pm**

mulefarm wrote:Bottom line is Kloos should have been in the USHL so the score could have been 15-0.

I think that must be what they want, or we'd be talking about the teams I mentioned above or let's see, Eagan? Edina? Let's throw those coaches out too.

Winona got beat by Century and JM by 10 and 11 goals this year. What did anyone think was going to happen tonight? It was simply the most uneven matchup of the night, but not by much.

Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:35 pm**

So Kloos decides to stay in high school with his buddies and we should feel bad for Winona? Can't quite wrap my head around that one.

Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:37 pm**

mulefarm wrote:
Sats81 wrote:
mulefarm wrote:
Never heard of a HS coach sending a player to the shower with the game going on? Do you think that would have made Winona fe
el better?
Neal, Aaron Broten and Butsy Erickson were sent to the showers plenty of times to watch from the stands in blow out games.
I know for a fact they weren't, so please don't make things up!

http://www.mnhockeyhub.com/news_article ... ferrer_id=

Hey Mule-I know you may think you know everything but please read the ENTIRE link I posted above and YOU, my friend PLEASE stop making things up!

Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:42 pm**

I got the solution, the coach should have made Kloos a healthy scratch, the everybody would be happy!

Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:46 pm**

Not only is it very unsportsmanlike... it's just plain dumb. Risk injury to the ONLY reason you have a shot at making it to state? smart coaching, classy guy.

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:14 am**

i graduated from winona and i have to side with the south supporters here. I played in the game last year against south and as much as it sucks to be losing by a lot i enjoyed skating against kloos at the end of the game last year because every shift i went out with the intention of trying to stop him. sometimes i succeeded sometimes i didnt. I knew it was going to be tough. what is kloos supposed to do say coach i wanna take my stuff off im done. my coach offered to let me take my gear off for the third of a blowout last year but i turned it down because i wanted to play. why should he have to miss 1 or 2 periods just because he cant be stopped? he shouldnt be punished by not being able to play the game he loves in an already short season just because he has talent. hats off to justin for playing a hard game because thats what every player should do when they step on the ice no matter what game it is.

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:20 am**

Sats81 wrote:
gopherpuck516 wrote:
longdistancespectator8 wrote:Kloos was playing defense in the third period when he got those points. But yeah overall this is brutal. Kloos shouldn't have played a minute after the 9 goal first period.
WHY would the coach put arguably the best player in the state on the ice at defense in a game that's already basically decided??? What good can possibly come from that scenario? There's a lot more that can go wrong than that can go right. Not saying the odds are good that he would get hurt or anything like that, but in a game that's already out of reach that just seems dumb to put your best player out there at all and especially at a position other than his normal position.
My thoughts exactly. Nothing good comes from this scenario.

You are right! Having Kloos or any of the South’s top players on the ice at a time where the game was pretty much over just shows a total lack of thought. Running the score up is one thing, but using your best players to do so, is classless! There is an old saying...What goes around, comes around. The South coach should look at the EP/Armstrong box score from last night; it could happen to any team. Nice job coach!

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:28 am**

I think it may have been Ken Pauly behind the South bench last night. Sounds like something he would do

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:54 am**

Can someone please tell me what the big deal is? The kid was moved back to D half way through the game so that he could at least play in his final game at home. I'm sure the coach, as many coaches do, put out a group of seniors for the last minute of their last home game and they wound up scoring a lousy 19th goal against one of the worst teams I have seen take the ice in a long time. Before you start judging and calling this classless know the facts. I believe LS coach did try to "stop the bleeding" but he didn't want to punish the kid that has got them this far by sitting him for 2 whole periods in his last home game just because the other team was awful. MOVE ON!

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:11 am**

RickyTicky wrote:Can someone please tell me what the big deal is? The kid was moved back to D half way through the game so that he could at least play in his final game at home. I'm sure the coach, as many coaches do, put out a group of seniors for the last minute of their last home game and they wound up scoring a lousy 19th goal against one of the worst teams I have seen take the ice in a long time. Before you start judging and calling this classless know the facts. I believe LS coach did try to "stop the bleeding" but he didn't want to punish the kid that has got them this far by sitting him for 2 whole periods in his last home game just because the other team was awful. MOVE ON!

It's not "punishment" to sit a star player at the end of a lopsided game. It's "sportsmanship," and if that star player whines about not being on the ice then it is also a "teachable moment." Coaches are supposed to be teaching players good sportsmanship, right?

And stop with the straw man argument...did anyone here suggest that "the kid" shouldn't have played more than 1 period last night? It's the fact that he was still in the game with only a few minutes to go that caught people's attention.

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:15 am**

I think this was classless and a bad decision by the coach. The kid has bad plenty of opportunities for home fans to see him.
In close games, I'm sure the 1st and 2nd lines play a lot more than 3 and 4 never gets on the ice. In blow outs keep 1 and 2 off, especially in the third period or it will appear as though you are running up the score.
Look at the CDH football team. In a blowout (and they have many) their starters play a few minute into the second half, then are out for the remainder of the game.
Allowing your stars to pad their stats in a blowout is a bad lesson to teach kids. If I had a son on either team I'd be complaining to the administration.

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:30 am**

Sats81 wrote:
mulefarm wrote:
Sats81 wrote: Neal, Aaron Broten and Butsy Erickson were sent to the showers plenty of times to watch from the stands in blow out games.
I know for a fact they weren't, so please don't make things up!
http://www.mnhockeyhub.com/news_article ... ferrer_id=

Hey Mule-I know you may think you know everything but please read the ENTIRE link I posted above and YOU, my friend PLEASE stop making things up!

Not in a play-off game.

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