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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:21 pm
by SuperStar
northstars wrote:My question of the award would be why are there only two finalist. Why not five. Mr hockey has ten finalists. This way more goalies could get some recognition on having a great career.
First off congrats to Dugas and Zevnik. And having a list of 5 would be a great idea..If they did have a top 5 list, I would add:
Munson - Centennial
Stumpf - Little Falls
Dingmann- Wayzata
A few more Senior netminders come to mind as well that are having good seasons: Moran - Prior Lake, Mallon -Burnsville, Parker - DE, Seats - Mound, Thompson - Denfield, Benjamin - Edina
Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:23 pm
by alcloseshaver
Patrick Munson-Centennial should be considered a front runner. Has made an average team a contender
Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:23 pm
by Wallyworld
East Side Pioneer Guy wrote:I feel compelled to set the record straight to some extent. This season Hill and STA are 1-1-1. A shot out may be necessary to determine the winner of an invitational tournament, but other than that it has no bearing on anything. As far as I'm concerned, Hill and STA are Schwans Gold Division Co-Champions. That's unsatisfying but it's reality. Some years there has been a shot out in the semis and thats even worse, really muddies it up.
Wallyworld mentioned an over time goal, and I'm not sure when that happened. The only overtime was at the Schwan's game and since they went to a shoot out I'm pretty sure there was no goal during the OT.
"Wallyworld mentioned an OT goal and I'm not sure when that happened"
What is the definition of over-time. It's whenever a game goes over regulation time - whether that be 'sudden death' over-time which is not what I said - or a shootout goal which I was referring to..
But I was excluding that anyways even though I could have made use of the comparison I.e. Dugas stopped 2/3 shootout tries while Zevnik stopped only 1/3 but its so minor I left it out... Check the rest of my stats, they are sound and didn't include yesterday's shutout for Dugas his 7th..
Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:33 pm
by BodyShots
alcloseshaver wrote:Patrick Munson-Centennial should be considered a front runner. Has made an average team a contender
And just think... he started out at HM behind Dugas and saw the writing on the wall. Damn, Lech has a tough job.
Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:12 pm
by HShockeywatcher
northstars wrote:My question of the award would be why are there only two finalist. Why not five. Mr hockey has ten finalists. This way more goalies could get some recognition on having a great career.
Only thing I can think of is that proportionally there are quite a few less goalies than forwards/defensemen. As it is, a fraction of a percent of the seniors in the state are listed. Even with only two, a higher percentage of the state's senior goalies are on the list than are up for Mr Hockey.
That being said, 3-5 would make sense. There are some other guys, like Stumpf for sure, that could be on the list. I'd also be curious about some guys in programs that aren't doing well but are the reason the program isn't doing worse. The LeSueur goalie, for example, was recently mentioned in an article with Jake Jackson. He'd likely have made the list were last year his senior year.
Wallyworld wrote:But I was excluding that anyways even though I could have made use of the comparison I.e. Dugas stopped 2/3 shootout tries while Zevnik stopped only 1/3 but its so minor I left it out... Check the rest of my stats, they are sound and didn't include yesterday's shutout for Dugas his 7th..
So are
all the differences in stats. Statistically speaking, these two goalies are very similar. Arguing one is necessarily better based on stats alone is silly.
Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:33 pm
by green4
what grade is this guy from eastview? Driscol? he seems to be doing a great job
Dugas layed another egg!
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 2:56 pm
by Tornadoes 2003StateChamps
This award should go to Zevnik. Dugas looked terrible AGAIN this year in the Championship Game. A .82 save % last year against BSM in the state championship game and now a .81 save % against Edina. Goes to show you how good your teammates can make a goalie look until you play against a better team like Edina, BSM, etc.
Re: Dugas layed another egg!
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 3:02 pm
by OneMoreYear
Tornadoes 2003StateChamps wrote:This award should go to Zevnik. Dugas looked terrible AGAIN this year in the Championship Game. A .82 save % last year against BSM in the state championship game and now a .81 save % against Edina. Goes to show you how good your teammates can make a goalie look until you play against a better team like Edina, BSM, etc.
Oh, and Zevnik was just a beast in the State Tourney, so impressive in his 12-0 (3-shot) and 11-0 (14-shot) shutout wins, and giving up 4 on twenty some shots
Given their stats were nearly identical, I would go with head-to-head. . .winner Dugas.
Re: Dugas layed another egg!
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:08 pm
by 12to14
OneMoreYear wrote:Tornadoes 2003StateChamps wrote:This award should go to Zevnik. Dugas looked terrible AGAIN this year in the Championship Game. A .82 save % last year against BSM in the state championship game and now a .81 save % against Edina. Goes to show you how good your teammates can make a goalie look until you play against a better team like Edina, BSM, etc.
Oh, and Zevnik was just a beast in the State Tourney, so impressive in his 12-0 (3-shot) and 11-0 (14-shot) shutout wins, and giving up 4 on twenty some shots
Given their stats were nearly identical, I would go with head-to-head. . .winner Dugas.[/quote
Neither deserve it. Playing the weak conference and getting shut outs after shut outs (facing 9-15 shots) that any goalie can do is just a slap in the face to the goalies who should have been nominated
Re: Dugas layed another egg!
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:18 pm
by Metrohockeyfan
12to14 wrote:OneMoreYear wrote:Tornadoes 2003StateChamps wrote:This award should go to Zevnik. Dugas looked terrible AGAIN this year in the Championship Game. A .82 save % last year against BSM in the state championship game and now a .81 save % against Edina. Goes to show you how good your teammates can make a goalie look until you play against a better team like Edina, BSM, etc.
Oh, and Zevnik was just a beast in the State Tourney, so impressive in his 12-0 (3-shot) and 11-0 (14-shot) shutout wins, and giving up 4 on twenty some shots
Given their stats were nearly identical, I would go with head-to-head. . .winner Dugas.[/quote
Neither deserve it. Playing the weak conference and getting shut outs after shut outs (facing 9-15 shots) that any goalie can do is just a slap in the face to the goalies who should have been nominated
Disagree that neither deserved it. However, I do think that there should be more then 2 finalists. Moran and Dingman should have been given looks.
Re: Dugas layed another egg!
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:45 pm
by zyzxx
Tornadoes 2003StateChamps wrote:This award should go to Zevnik. Dugas looked terrible AGAIN this year in the Championship Game. A .82 save % last year against BSM in the state championship game and now a .81 save % against Edina. Goes to show you how good your teammates can make a goalie look until you play against a better team like Edina, BSM, etc.
Really should be more kids nominated for this award. There were many great sr goaltenders this year. Over the past few years, there seems to be a trend towards higher save percentage and lower GAA for the top 10 AA and A.
Also too bad that kids on JV that have passed up their varsity counterparts are not given a chance to tryout in selects. Kids do change for the better or worse. Seems that once a "reputation" is set 2nd yr bantams- no one re-evaluates the kids. Some association tryouts are run very poorly and the right kids are not chosen and then their career is over no matter how much they improve.
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:23 pm
by Tornadoes 2003StateChamps
minnscout wrote:my vote goes to Patrick Munson Centenial, .500 team without him
Same with Goor from Anoka. Goor should be the 2014 winner of this award.
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:26 pm
by Tornadoes 2003StateChamps
SuperStar wrote:northstars wrote:My question of the award would be why are there only two finalist. Why not five. Mr hockey has ten finalists. This way more goalies could get some recognition on having a great career.
First off congrats to Dugas and Zevnik. And having a list of 5 would be a great idea..If they did have a top 5 list, I would add:
Munson - Centennial
Stumpf - Little Falls
Dingmann- Wayzata
A few more Senior netminders come to mind as well that are having good seasons: Moran - Prior Lake, Mallon -Burnsville, Parker - DE, Seats - Mound, Thompson - Denfield, Benjamin - Edina
Stumpf is the only guy from a team without the depth. He deserves to be considered based on past years performance.
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:36 pm
by blueliner5
Tornadoes 2003StateChamps wrote:minnscout wrote:my vote goes to Patrick Munson Centenial, .500 team without him
Same with Goor from Anoka. Goor should be the 2014 winner of this award.
Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:41 pm
by BogeyMan
I actually heard the other day that these awards (Frank and Mr. Hockey) are voted on and decided on February 1st. Based on that who cares what the state stats were or who won what. We would have to look back on who was better their Junior year and what they had done up to Feb 1 to reach a decision. Personally I favored Dugas as the defensemen that played in front of him all year may not have even made the team at St. Thomas...... He had a much more difficult task of acheiving the same numbers as Zevnick did.........
Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 1:02 pm
by Roy01
Tornadoes 2003StateChamps wrote:SuperStar wrote:northstars wrote:My question of the award would be why are there only two finalist. Why not five. Mr hockey has ten finalists. This way more goalies could get some recognition on having a great career.
First off congrats to Dugas and Zevnik. And having a list of 5 would be a great idea..If they did have a top 5 list, I would add:
Munson - Centennial
Stumpf - Little Falls
Dingmann- Wayzata
A few more Senior netminders come to mind as well that are having good seasons: Moran - Prior Lake, Mallon -Burnsville, Parker - DE, Seats - Mound, Thompson - Denfield, Benjamin - Edina
Stumpf is the only guy from a team without the depth. He deserves to be considered based on past years performance.
I agree Stumpf should had been in consideration, just not from previous years performances. It is an award for the 12-13 season, not prior seasons compilation.
Dugas and Zevnik are good goaltenders, but I can't say either are "great." It is difficult to tell because, as it has been touched on prior, playing teams in the Classic Suburban and facing ten shots a game is a poor measure for how well a goaltender plays. And we'll disregard that they arguably have the best teams in the state in front of them.
I think there should be more taken into account for the award than just GAA and save percentage. They should look at teams that the goaltender shapes and holds a team together rather than a great team that would have won with no one in net (STA for example: they would had won their first two games at state without a goalie in net). You could throw most goalies in the state between the pipes for Hill or STA and they'd post winning records and nice statistics while being a poor goaltender simply because the team in front of them is excellent.
Many great goaltenders get passed over simply because statistics, and it's a shame...