HighSchoolHockeyForums.com

Also not to split hairs because I had no big problem with the officiating - HM was offside on the left wing (right in front of me) on the tying goal. I thought they got 4-5 offside calls wrong - called & not called and both ways. I thought the 2 slashing calls back to back that gave STA a 5 on 3 and a goal were very weak. They looked like good stick checks on the puck albeit from behind. The ref also made both calls from behind the play when he did not have a good angle to see the stick or the puck. Repeat this is splitting hairs because it was a great game and we can second guess officials in every close game.

When is the last time anyone saw an unnecessary roughness penalty called in a hockey game? Does that mean he hit the player too hard?

That was a rather weak call

Nuts&Bolts wrote:I'm not clear if Watcher is referring solely to last night or his overall sample size of games seen this year but the penalties last night seemed right. I didn't see a penalty called on a clean hard hit last night. There maybe could have been a hook called on STAA in the 3rd and probably the most dangerous hit seemed a bit from behind and could have lead to a major against HM. Overall it was the cleanest game I've seen all year. Nothing over the top with reckless play, cheap running and head shots or one team solely trying to intimidate a higher skilled team.

The make up call was about a different game this this past weekend. Seconds of play after a hit that injured a player, a very hard but clean hit was made in the middle of the ice and called a penalty. Likely to send a message. Sending a message by calling penalties on clean hits means you have lost control of the game.
But I'm mainly referring to last night though. There were multiple checks to the head, very late hits, and such that I saw. I don't think there need to be 10 more penalties, I simply think they need to be called and the kids will likely stop doing it. I've already seen a very scary injury this year and "letting the kids play" is no reason to let this happen.

Anyway, no reason to beat this opinion to death. While a couple different penalties and offsides being called could've changed the outcome of the game, I am not blaming the refs for the outcome, just saying I was disappointed.

HShockeywatcher wrote:

Nuts&Bolts wrote:I'm not clear if Watcher is referring solely to last night or his overall sample size of games seen this year but the penalties last night seemed right. I didn't see a penalty called on a clean hard hit last night. There maybe could have been a hook called on STAA in the 3rd and probably the most dangerous hit seemed a bit from behind and could have lead to a major against HM. Overall it was the cleanest game I've seen all year. Nothing over the top with reckless play, cheap running and head shots or one team solely trying to intimidate a higher skilled team.

The make up call was about a different game this this past weekend. Seconds of play after a hit that injured a player, a very hard but clean hit was made in the middle of the ice and called a penalty. Likely to send a message. Sending a message by calling penalties on clean hits means you have lost control of the game.
But I'm mainly referring to last night though. There were multiple checks to the head, very late hits, and such that I saw. I don't think there need to be 10 more penalties, I simply think they need to be called and the kids will likely stop doing it. I've already seen a very scary injury this year and "letting the kids play" is no reason to let this happen.

Anyway, no reason to beat this opinion to death. While a couple different penalties and offsides being called could've changed the outcome of the game, I am not blaming the refs for the outcome, just saying I was disappointed.

In general, the losing team is not satisfied with the officiating. They may disguise their complaining in many ways, but it gives them an out for their team losing. I have watched 5,000 or more hockey games since I was a teenager. My old adage is coaches lose games, players win games and hopefully officials do not get in the way. Of 5,000 games, officials may have had an impact by making a mistake in 5 of those games. In baseball I have participated as a coach or player in about 2000 games, only once do I remember an umpire's wrong call costing a game for a team.

As far a s player's safety, refs are working very hard to get it right.

To conclude, give the refs a break. 90%get it right 90% of the time. coaches and players should do that well. Fans should cheer, don't coach and don't ref.

Ahhhh, that felt good.

East Side Pioneer Guy wrote:

stpaul wrote:HM is 66-16-1 all time vs. STA. Even during the last 8 years when STA won 5 State A titles - HM is 11-5-1.

Nevertheless should be an even match tonight.

On my way to Aldrich...

They're our b*****s.

what a d**k.

elliott70 wrote:

HShockeywatcher wrote:

Nuts&Bolts wrote:I'm not clear if Watcher is referring solely to last night or his overall sample size of games seen this year but the penalties last night seemed right. I didn't see a penalty called on a clean hard hit last night. There maybe could have been a hook called on STAA in the 3rd and probably the most dangerous hit seemed a bit from behind and could have lead to a major against HM. Overall it was the cleanest game I've seen all year. Nothing over the top with reckless play, cheap running and head shots or one team solely trying to intimidate a higher skilled team.

The make up call was about a different game this this past weekend. Seconds of play after a hit that injured a player, a very hard but clean hit was made in the middle of the ice and called a penalty. Likely to send a message. Sending a message by calling penalties on clean hits means you have lost control of the game.
But I'm mainly referring to last night though. There were multiple checks to the head, very late hits, and such that I saw. I don't think there need to be 10 more penalties, I simply think they need to be called and the kids will likely stop doing it. I've already seen a very scary injury this year and "letting the kids play" is no reason to let this happen.

Anyway, no reason to beat this opinion to death. While a couple different penalties and offsides being called could've changed the outcome of the game, I am not blaming the refs for the outcome, just saying I was disappointed.

In general, the losing team is not satisfied with the officiating. They may disguise their complaining in many ways, but it gives them an out for their team losing. I have watched 5,000 or more hockey games since I was a teenager. My old adage is coaches lose games, players win games and hopefully officials do not get in the way. Of 5,000 games, officials may have had an impact by making a mistake in 5 of those games. In baseball I have participated as a coach or player in about 2000 games, only once do I remember an umpire's wrong call costing a game for a team.

As far a s player's safety, refs are working very hard to get it right.

To conclude, give the refs a break. 90%get it right 90% of the time. coaches and players should do that well. Fans should cheer, don't coach and don't ref.

Ahhhh, that felt good.

I wasn't happy with the officiating on Saturday in Lakeville either. The team I was watching dominated the whole game but I was unhappy with it because of how it negatively affected the safety of the players on the ice. One player left the ice injured from a late hit the refs hadn't been calling all game. Had they called it once early on, or even simply said something to one of the coaches or captains, it may have stopped.

I was unhappy after the first two periods last night, as I noticed others around me were. It wasn't because it affected anything on the scoreboard, it was because it affects the safety of the players on the ice. When you could check the player's body and instead hit them in the head, that's not okay. My opinion is fortunately supported by the rules.

Complaining about balls/strikes in baseball, or even specific penalties in hockey, football, or basketball, are very different than something like offsides in hockey or soccer. One is objective, the others are subjective.

Like I said, my sample size is small. I've seen 4 games so far this year. The officiating (or lack thereof) was horrendous in 1 and sub par in my opinion last night. Maybe it's just two off games or the beginning of the year, I'm not sure. You can try to say my comments are about something other than what they are, but that doesn't change their content.

HShockeywatcher wrote:

elliott70 wrote:

HShockeywatcher wrote: The make up call was about a different game this this past weekend. Seconds of play after a hit that injured a player, a very hard but clean hit was made in the middle of the ice and called a penalty. Likely to send a message. Sending a message by calling penalties on clean hits means you have lost control of the game.
But I'm mainly referring to last night though. There were multiple checks to the head, very late hits, and such that I saw. I don't think there need to be 10 more penalties, I simply think they need to be called and the kids will likely stop doing it. I've already seen a very scary injury this year and "letting the kids play" is no reason to let this happen.

Anyway, no reason to beat this opinion to death. While a couple different penalties and offsides being called could've changed the outcome of the game, I am not blaming the refs for the outcome, just saying I was disappointed.

In general, the losing team is not satisfied with the officiating. They may disguise their complaining in many ways, but it gives them an out for their team losing. I have watched 5,000 or more hockey games since I was a teenager. My old adage is coaches lose games, players win games and hopefully officials do not get in the way. Of 5,000 games, officials may have had an impact by making a mistake in 5 of those games. In baseball I have participated as a coach or player in about 2000 games, only once do I remember an umpire's wrong call costing a game for a team.

As far a s player's safety, refs are working very hard to get it right.

To conclude, give the refs a break. 90%get it right 90% of the time. coaches and players should do that well. Fans should cheer, don't coach and don't ref.

Ahhhh, that felt good.

I wasn't happy with the officiating on Saturday in Lakeville either. The team I was watching dominated the whole game but I was unhappy with it because of how it negatively affected the safety of the players on the ice. One player left the ice injured from a late hit the refs hadn't been calling all game. Had they called it once early on, or even simply said something to one of the coaches or captains, it may have stopped.

I was unhappy after the first two periods last night, as I noticed others around me were. It wasn't because it affected anything on the scoreboard, it was because it affects the safety of the players on the ice. When you could check the player's body and instead hit them in the head, that's not okay. My opinion is fortunately supported by the rules.

Complaining about balls/strikes in baseball, or even specific penalties in hockey, football, or basketball, are very different than something like offsides in hockey or soccer. One is objective, the others are subjective.

Like I said, my sample size is small. I've seen 4 games so far this year. The officiating (or lack thereof) was horrendous in 1 and sub par in my opinion last night. Maybe it's just two off games or the beginning of the year, I'm not sure. You can try to say my comments are about something other than what they are, but that doesn't change their content.

Imo, after “the call” and then the “no call” in the last minutes of last years State Class A Championship Game favoring STA, nobody associated with STA should be complaining about poor officiating…
You very well have your 4th or is it 5th Class A trophy because of it.

HShockeywatcher wrote:

elliott70 wrote:

HShockeywatcher wrote: The make up call was about a different game this this past weekend. Seconds of play after a hit that injured a player, a very hard but clean hit was made in the middle of the ice and called a penalty. Likely to send a message. Sending a message by calling penalties on clean hits means you have lost control of the game.
But I'm mainly referring to last night though. There were multiple checks to the head, very late hits, and such that I saw. I don't think there need to be 10 more penalties, I simply think they need to be called and the kids will likely stop doing it. I've already seen a very scary injury this year and "letting the kids play" is no reason to let this happen.

Anyway, no reason to beat this opinion to death. While a couple different penalties and offsides being called could've changed the outcome of the game, I am not blaming the refs for the outcome, just saying I was disappointed.

In general, the losing team is not satisfied with the officiating. They may disguise their complaining in many ways, but it gives them an out for their team losing. I have watched 5,000 or more hockey games since I was a teenager. My old adage is coaches lose games, players win games and hopefully officials do not get in the way. Of 5,000 games, officials may have had an impact by making a mistake in 5 of those games. In baseball I have participated as a coach or player in about 2000 games, only once do I remember an umpire's wrong call costing a game for a team.

As far a s player's safety, refs are working very hard to get it right.

To conclude, give the refs a break. 90%get it right 90% of the time. coaches and players should do that well. Fans should cheer, don't coach and don't ref.

Ahhhh, that felt good.

I wasn't happy with the officiating on Saturday in Lakeville either. The team I was watching dominated the whole game but I was unhappy with it because of how it negatively affected the safety of the players on the ice. One player left the ice injured from a late hit the refs hadn't been calling all game. Had they called it once early on, or even simply said something to one of the coaches or captains, it may have stopped.

I was unhappy after the first two periods last night, as I noticed others around me were. It wasn't because it affected anything on the scoreboard, it was because it affects the safety of the players on the ice. When you could check the player's body and instead hit them in the head, that's not okay. My opinion is fortunately supported by the rules.

Complaining about balls/strikes in baseball, or even specific penalties in hockey, football, or basketball, are very different than something like offsides in hockey or soccer. One is objective, the others are subjective.

Like I said, my sample size is small. I've seen 4 games so far this year. The officiating (or lack thereof) was horrendous in 1 and sub par in my opinion last night. Maybe it's just two off games or the beginning of the year, I'm not sure. You can try to say my comments are about something other than what they are, but that doesn't change their content.

If you are worried about their safety, then send a note to the coach(es).
The coaches are the ones that set the tone.

Players do not listen to the refs, and if they get called on something its because the ref is wrong.

Coaches control this issue. A bad hit, whether a penalty is called or not, the player should sit. Then the player may adjust the way he plays.

PS Are offsides subjective or objective? Are balls and strikes subjective or objective?