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O-townClown wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:20 am

hockey59 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:06 amHaven’t seen Edina play yet this year...

hard to believe Edina has better D than Tonka & no way they’re a better team defensively...at least where things stand on Dec 17.

Uninformed certainty.

Most of the Edina games are online. Watch parts of a couple and then you can make the statement without blind speculation.

MWS coach wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:05 am

CakeScout17 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:05 pm

MWS coach wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:32 pm I had a different take on the ER goal then you did green. Puck was uncovered in the crease. ER player was pushed into GR goalie which resulted both he, GR player and goalie in the net/crease. It was adifferent player that then put the puck in the net. Puck was never covered and net never came off. Whistle never was blown, why wouldn't this be a good goal?

Although captured on video I was directly above the goal and saw it firsthand. My perspective/opinion does seem to be backed up by the video. The two GR players pushed down on the ER player into the goalie (all within the crease) and goalie knocked down. If you wash the video a few times you'll see the lack of the 'push into' and more of a couple of knuckles on dual backchecks into the ER player downward and he fell on goalie - in the crease. A good 2 seconds later the puck does cross the line and even then the ref makes no call UNTIL AFTER the ER kids motion for goal...THEN the ref calls for goal.

The refs then proceed to convene for minute or two and discuss. Watching that discussion live? No definitive call was made. Priceless expressions on each refs face - debatable? Sure. From my POV...? No goal. Goalie interference and lack of immediate call to thus have to provide conclusive evidence to overturn. Neither was avail...so they called it good. But in real time, from 15 ft above? No goal.

Maybe Im wrong. But not one person out of about 10 lined along ledge above the goal thought it counted. Oh well...

I was there as well, but on the Edina side of rink where student section is. Could clearly see the puck was never covered from there. It was right in front of the goalies leg pad, but puck was in the crease, thus no goal tender interference. Delayed call by ref, guessing he didn't know where the puck was, but just because he didn't call it a goal right away doesn't change the call. Is what it is and guess we just agree to disagree. One last comment, look in the background, young #27 from EP calling it a goal is hilarious! He was more definitive then the ref!

hockey59 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:06 am

Doc Holliday wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:40 am Edina's defense is REALLY good. EP had some zone time in the 2nd, but they also really didn't have many scoring chances Vorlicky is an absolute stud. Boltmann is right there with him, especially defensively. Reiners, Bishop & Williams are solid. They are a legit 5 deep at D. You can get away with 4 D at state because of the TV timeouts (or in Eagan's case in '14, 2 D), but regular season wise, their D depth seems to be unmatched, even over Tonka due to the numbers. I agree with the opinion that their D may be better than last year, despite losing Brinkman. Nothing to do with Brinkman; they'd be better with him, but has more to do with their core being a year older/wiser/stronger/etc.
-From what I saw, I was impressed with Hogg. Seems to be a different kind of goalie; one Edina doesn't seem to often have.
-I thought Edina really controlled the 3rd period.
-Was a lot more impressed with Chorske than I was last year; skating seems to be quite improved.
-Nevers goal in the 2nd period (the 4th one) was a pretty filthy effort, but one the EP goalie probably needs to save.
-I still like EP as a team overall; Tonka will not have an easy walk to the X. I wasn't impressed with middle Mittlestadt last year too much, but I liked him last night. Younger one too is pretty solid. I like this club; they should have a lot more success this year than last.
-I don't know how much no Jensen last night affected the outcome; it probably did more regarding throwing lines out of whack than anything regarding his talent level being absent. He's a very nice player, but I think it would be generous to say that his absence caused more than a 2 goal differential; still probably would a 3 goal game regardless.

Haven’t seen Edina play yet this year...have seen Tonka play STA. Have to chuckle when Edina fans point out they were missing (or weren’t 100% healthy) in losses to Tonka at Ridder & Pagel, like the game at Braemar was a better barometer of the two teams last year. Problem with that logic is Edina was healthy at Xcel & Tonka was waiting for them for round 4 in the ship game...but Edina couldn’t get past DE. Tonka was the BEST team in 2017-2018...all rationalization & excuses aside . To me Luedtke is better than Vorlicky & Docter is better than Boltman, if not individually regarding the the 2nd comparison, certainly as a tandem paired with the 1st. Don’t know much about Williams or Bishop, but Reimers while good, is not exceptional. Add to Tonka having a AA champ between the pipes & basically nobody scoring more than 2 goals against them so far this year & Edina goalies often being suspect when it counts...hard to believe Edina has better D than Tonka & no way they’re a better team defensively...at least where things stand on Dec 17. And this observation comes from someone with no bias favoring Tonka or Edina.

GoldenBear wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:03 pm I will change subjects...kind of. I've seen enough of Wayzata that I really like where they are at this stage of the season. They are playing very efficient. Getting contributions offensively from many while defense and goal tending has been good. If it plays out, I look forward to a one game go to X with Edina. I like our chances. Think Wayzata can beat Edina one out of three times. Hope it's on the big sheet at the Mariucci. I've seen Edina three times this season as well. However, Wayzata needs to get to that game.

Let's just call it a Vision Quest for Wayzata (tee up Lunatic Fringe by Red Rider). Let the training for Shute begin now!

My name's Louden, Louden Swain. Last week I turned 18. I wasn't ready for it. I haven't done anything yet. So I made this deal with myself. This is the year I make my mark. Go Wayzata! GB

Slap Shot wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:33 pm No question? Tonka's Top 6 defenders have 35 points between them and a team (Glockner really as he's played all the minutes so far) 0.86 GAA and 0.947 SV% on 114 shots allowed. Edina's Top 6 have 25 points and a team GAA of 1.43 and 0.923 SV% on 127 shots allowed. Couldn't compare +/- as the numbers for Edina are obviously incorrect on that stat. (fwiw Tonka's Top 6 are +50).

I think it's up for debate after 7 games each and either way should make for some exciting games.

GoldenBear wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:03 pm I will change subjects...kind of. I've seen enough of Wayzata that I really like where they are at this stage of the season. They are playing very efficient. Getting contributions offensively from many while defense and goal tending has been good. If it plays out, I look forward to a one game go to X with Edina. I like our chances. Think Wayzata can beat Edina one out of three times. Hope it's on the big sheet at the Mariucci. I've seen Edina three times this season as well. However, Wayzata needs to get to that game.

Let's just call it a Vision Quest for Wayzata (tee up Lunatic Fringe by Red Rider). Let the training for Shute begin now!

My name's Louden, Louden Swain. Last week I turned 18. I wasn't ready for it. I haven't done anything yet. So I made this deal with myself. This is the year I make my mark. Go Wayzata! GB

CakeScout17 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:47 pm

hockey59 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:06 am

Doc Holliday wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:40 am Edina's defense is REALLY good. EP had some zone time in the 2nd, but they also really didn't have many scoring chances Vorlicky is an absolute stud. Boltmann is right there with him, especially defensively. Reiners, Bishop & Williams are solid. They are a legit 5 deep at D. You can get away with 4 D at state because of the TV timeouts (or in Eagan's case in '14, 2 D), but regular season wise, their D depth seems to be unmatched, even over Tonka due to the numbers. I agree with the opinion that their D may be better than last year, despite losing Brinkman. Nothing to do with Brinkman; they'd be better with him, but has more to do with their core being a year older/wiser/stronger/etc.
-From what I saw, I was impressed with Hogg. Seems to be a different kind of goalie; one Edina doesn't seem to often have.
-I thought Edina really controlled the 3rd period.
-Was a lot more impressed with Chorske than I was last year; skating seems to be quite improved.
-Nevers goal in the 2nd period (the 4th one) was a pretty filthy effort, but one the EP goalie probably needs to save.
-I still like EP as a team overall; Tonka will not have an easy walk to the X. I wasn't impressed with middle Mittlestadt last year too much, but I liked him last night. Younger one too is pretty solid. I like this club; they should have a lot more success this year than last.
-I don't know how much no Jensen last night affected the outcome; it probably did more regarding throwing lines out of whack than anything regarding his talent level being absent. He's a very nice player, but I think it would be generous to say that his absence caused more than a 2 goal differential; still probably would a 3 goal game regardless.

Haven’t seen Edina play yet this year...have seen Tonka play STA. Have to chuckle when Edina fans point out they were missing (or weren’t 100% healthy) in losses to Tonka at Ridder & Pagel, like the game at Braemar was a better barometer of the two teams last year. Problem with that logic is Edina was healthy at Xcel & Tonka was waiting for them for round 4 in the ship game...but Edina couldn’t get past DE. Tonka was the BEST team in 2017-2018...all rationalization & excuses aside . To me Luedtke is better than Vorlicky & Docter is better than Boltman, if not individually regarding the the 2nd comparison, certainly as a tandem paired with the 1st. Don’t know much about Williams or Bishop, but Reimers while good, is not exceptional. Add to Tonka having a AA champ between the pipes & basically nobody scoring more than 2 goals against them so far this year & Edina goalies often being suspect when it counts...hard to believe Edina has better D than Tonka & no way they’re a better team defensively...at least where things stand on Dec 17. And this observation comes from someone with no bias favoring Tonka or Edina.

Again, nobody said a healthy Edina team was the BETTER barometer of the Edina/Tonka matchup last year, and never said it was an excuse as to the other two losses. I believe the first Tonka game at Schwans was dominated by Tonka and Edina would have lost regardless. The 3rd game at Pagel? With a full Edina roster? I wonder. Was a tight game throughout and I believe the last Tonka goal was an empty-netter...? Tonka was on a roll last year and Brink truly special...But getting by DE no easy task for anybody. Just ask Tonka who lost to DE in January at Pagel last year (minus Luedtke) All about momentum and playing with extra motivation...a Edina/Tonka Part IV for the state title would have been epic. But Id have given the edge to Tonka. Why? Glockner the difference. No question. Otherwise...? GAME ON!

Also, the comment re: this years defensive depth is just that...Luedtke and Docter are probably the best def pair in state

GoldenBear wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 6:46 pm Cakescout was trying to copy your VQuest reference but couldn’t figure it out. Glad you picked up on my plagiarism of your lunatic reference. Wasn’t sure if you would jab back at me! Look out Shute! You may cry when you see that bicycle shot goal in March GB

HockeyCrazy1970 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:17 pm CakeScout17 and GoldenBear,
I like the "walkabout" reference too. I got a good look at his paint job on Friday and he has an Australian flag (and American flag) on the back of his mask.
No wonder he goes on walkabout. Braemar needs to add "I Come from the Land Down Under" to their play list!

CakeScout17 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:45 pm

Slap Shot wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:33 pm No question? Tonka's Top 6 defenders have 35 points between them and a team (Glockner really as he's played all the minutes so far) 0.86 GAA and 0.947 SV% on 114 shots allowed. Edina's Top 6 have 25 points and a team GAA of 1.43 and 0.923 SV% on 127 shots allowed. Couldn't compare +/- as the numbers for Edina are obviously incorrect on that stat. (fwiw Tonka's Top 6 are +50).

I think it's up for debate after 7 games each and either way should make for some exciting games.

How do the SOS's compare to date?

CakeScout17 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:47 pm

HockeyCrazy1970 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:17 pm CakeScout17 and GoldenBear,
I like the "walkabout" reference too. I got a good look at his paint job on Friday and he has an Australian flag (and American flag) on the back of his mask.
No wonder he goes on walkabout. Braemar needs to add "I Come from the Land Down Under" to their play list!

Then let's get Braemer to offer the 'Vega-mite" sandwich and we're in business!

Great catch on the mask...but riddle me this:

Whats on the sides? is it a cartoon character? Can't make it out.

Slap Shot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:48 am

CakeScout17 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:45 pm

Slap Shot wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:33 pm No question? Tonka's Top 6 defenders have 35 points between them and a team (Glockner really as he's played all the minutes so far) 0.86 GAA and 0.947 SV% on 114 shots allowed. Edina's Top 6 have 25 points and a team GAA of 1.43 and 0.923 SV% on 127 shots allowed. Couldn't compare +/- as the numbers for Edina are obviously incorrect on that stat. (fwiw Tonka's Top 6 are +50).

I think it's up for debate after 7 games each and either way should make for some exciting games.

How do the SOS's compare to date?

Going back to the well?

The only link I could find (MyHockey) has EHS 92.84 with 4 games played and MHS 91.03 for 5 GP a difference of 1.9%. Now Rankings has no data yet. Certainly not respective to the gaps noted previously.

HockeyCrazy1970 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:56 am

CakeScout17 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:47 pm

HockeyCrazy1970 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:17 pm CakeScout17 and GoldenBear,
I like the "walkabout" reference too. I got a good look at his paint job on Friday and he has an Australian flag (and American flag) on the back of his mask.
No wonder he goes on walkabout. Braemar needs to add "I Come from the Land Down Under" to their play list!

Then let's get Braemer to offer the 'Vega-mite" sandwich and we're in business!

Great catch on the mask...but riddle me this:

Whats on the sides? is it a cartoon character? Can't make it out.

Each side has a green hornet/wasp/bee cartoon creature. Not the official school one though. The grey on top was throwing me off. Turns out those are grey bug wings on top.

CakeScout17 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:37 pm

Slap Shot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:48 am

CakeScout17 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:45 pm

How do the SOS's compare to date?

Going back to the well?

The only link I could find (MyHockey) has EHS 92.84 with 4 games played and MHS 91.03 for 5 GP a difference of 1.9%. Now Rankings has no data yet. Certainly not respective to the gaps noted previously.

Yeah, agreed. Sample size too small as of yet. Maybe current stats are reflection of current roster/styles of play...? Does Tonka have bit less scoring punch on its #

Slap Shot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:14 pm

CakeScout17 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:37 pm

Slap Shot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:48 am

Going back to the well?

The only link I could find (MyHockey) has EHS 92.84 with 4 games played and MHS 91.03 for 5 GP a difference of 1.9%. Now Rankings has no data yet. Certainly not respective to the gaps noted previously.

Yeah, agreed. Sample size too small as of yet. Maybe current stats are reflection of current roster/styles of play...? Does Tonka have bit less scoring punch on its #

Tonka's Top 6 F have a total of 49 points and 60 total for all F, the Top 6 F in scoring for Edina have 51 points and 62 for all F so again the difference is negligible. Any other theories?

CakeScout17 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:14 pm

Slap Shot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:14 pm

CakeScout17 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:37 pm


Yeah, agreed. Sample size too small as of yet. Maybe current stats are reflection of current roster/styles of play...? Does Tonka have bit less scoring punch on its #

Tonka's Top 6 F have a total of 49 points and 60 total for all F, the Top 6 F in scoring for Edina have 51 points and 62 for all F so again the difference is negligible. Any other theories?

You mean the Top 6 D for Edina have 51 and 62 for F's, correct? See - told ya. HA! J/K - more theories after their first match.
Gotta say though? Goldsworthy appears to be headed toward a Randolph-like future at Tonka. Good coach and assistants that are demonstrably involved on the bench...constantly coaching the kids up.

elliott70 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:35 pm Best bets to win AA state championship

1 Minnetonka
2 Andover

3 Edina

STA or Maple Grove


No one else....