Re: The 2019 Seedings thread
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 8:47 am
By this standard, DEast right next to Blaine and EP then so Moorhead should get the 3 seed. That cant happen because EP Thumped Moorhead 6-1.
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By this standard, DEast right next to Blaine and EP then so Moorhead should get the 3 seed. That cant happen because EP Thumped Moorhead 6-1.
It wasn't a debate amongst anyone else, though, just Moorhead vs. Duluth East for the #5 seed. By that standard, we can use head-to-head (unless, of course, the rest of the body of work is contrary to that head-to-head result).That guy for that thing wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 8:47 amBy this standard, DEast right next to Blaine and EP then so Moorhead should get the 3 seed. That cant happen because EP Thumped Moorhead 6-1.
That was a big upset for surethestickler07 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:38 amNone of this please - my coworker's cousin was on that Hounds team and I still haven't heard the end of that loss.northwoods oldtimer wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:50 amLove me some East - STA Quarter. So does Danny!SpreadOut! wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:34 pm WBL, if they make it, could get seed over EP and Moorhead. Currently ranked higher. Tough call, though, on who is odd man out of those three. Duluth East beat WBL but had some questionable losses so likely won’t be seeded. But DE will be tough opening round opponent for whoever draws them.![]()
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Odds are yes, but something tells me that the old MSHSL might just assure that 'somebody new' gets in the finals and they place DE in Edina bracket as they did last year...bam! New champion in Tonka. Thats all relative as you still have to actually win. But if DE a #6-8 seed? WOW. Dare I say the strongest most imposing lower seed in years? I don't know. Maybe Im over-reacting to last nights Sec 7AA game...but compared to the other streams I watched last night and the sections at Mariucci - it was just a whole other level of puck. Buckle up, boys!WestMetro wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:33 am CakeScout
Guessing at this point that Deast and Edina will set up in opposite brackets, so could shape up to be heckof a final if they both make it through. Would be a repeat of the 1997 championship game where Dan Carlson won it for the Hornets in a 1-0 game. And Randolph is the only coach with a winning record against Edina in State Tourney action.
I think Edina is more worried than East about being in the same bracket.Doc Holliday wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 8:59 am Regarding Moorhead/Duluth East. I think there's a case for both sides.
Moorhead: Head to Head win.
Duluth East: Different team this point in the season; credit for high ranking win over Andover.
I've made the case that EP should be no worse than the #4.
Question is: would Moorhead & Duluth East really care if they're the #5 or "the # 6" seed, if they really do just seed the bottom 3 & just don't tell anyone? No easier of a game against St. Thomas Academy than Eden Prairie, and you'd be on the opposite side of the bracket from Edina.
I'm guessing all of the top 3 are hoping East gets a seed.greenwayraider wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:09 pmI think Edina is more worried than East about being in the same bracket.Doc Holliday wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 8:59 am Regarding Moorhead/Duluth East. I think there's a case for both sides.
Moorhead: Head to Head win.
Duluth East: Different team this point in the season; credit for high ranking win over Andover.
I've made the case that EP should be no worse than the #4.
Question is: would Moorhead & Duluth East really care if they're the #5 or "the # 6" seed, if they really do just seed the bottom 3 & just don't tell anyone? No easier of a game against St. Thomas Academy than Eden Prairie, and you'd be on the opposite side of the bracket from Edina.
I’m totally up for Blaine vs DE, maybe even Friday night.. and I don’t think the officials at XCEL will let it devolve into a WWE match...like last night at AmsoilWestMetro wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:14 pm YesIPlayed
Sticking with my prediction from last nite, below. Last several years, MSHSL has stuck with the Lets Play Hockey final rankings to seed not only the 1-5 but also the 6,7,8 , even though technically they are supposed to be random draw,
If that is the case, Deast will be opposite Edina, setting up potential of a great final game. And for that matter, MH could be opposite Deast for a longshot potential all northern final like 2017
The Blaine Deast game whether it would be Thursday or Friday night would feature the biggest two opposing first lines in the history of MSHSL, will be like watching two opposing NHL size lines on the ice. Rematch of a tie game earlier this year. Brodzinski and Richels are the top two AA scorers in the state. Paine and Cochran and Rabold will have their hands full.
by WestMetro » Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:48 pm
Agree on top 3
Likely pairings
Edina will play Lvs at 6 pm
Blaine will play Deast or Hill at 11
STA will play at 1.30 Deast or MH
8.30 WBL EP or EP MH
Except Edina. If DE gets a seed, most likely 4/5 which means a win has DE/Edina semi. 2/3 chance DE doesn’t draw Edina if unseeded.Jeffy95 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:22 pmI'm guessing all of the top 3 are hoping East gets a seed.greenwayraider wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:09 pmI think Edina is more worried than East about being in the same bracket.Doc Holliday wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 8:59 am Regarding Moorhead/Duluth East. I think there's a case for both sides.
Moorhead: Head to Head win.
Duluth East: Different team this point in the season; credit for high ranking win over Andover.
I've made the case that EP should be no worse than the #4.
Question is: would Moorhead & Duluth East really care if they're the #5 or "the # 6" seed, if they really do just seed the bottom 3 & just don't tell anyone? No easier of a game against St. Thomas Academy than Eden Prairie, and you'd be on the opposite side of the bracket from Edina.
I don't much about the history of the tournament, but i'm with you in assuming that there has never been a scarier unseeded team than DE right now, I'm not sure anyone who would want to play them right now, everything is trending up for them, and no Minnetonka in their way this year. Im all In on putting my money on the Hounds come next weekend.CakeScout17 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:18 pmOdds are yes, but something tells me that the old MSHSL might just assure that 'somebody new' gets in the finals and they place DE in Edina bracket as they did last year...bam! New champion in Tonka. Thats all relative as you still have to actually win. But if DE a #6-8 seed? WOW. Dare I say the strongest most imposing lower seed in years? I don't know. Maybe Im over-reacting to last nights Sec 7AA game...but compared to the other streams I watched last night and the sections at Mariucci - it was just a whole other level of puck. Buckle up, boys!WestMetro wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:33 am CakeScout
Guessing at this point that Deast and Edina will set up in opposite brackets, so could shape up to be heckof a final if they both make it through. Would be a repeat of the 1997 championship game where Dan Carlson won it for the Hornets in a 1-0 game. And Randolph is the only coach with a winning record against Edina in State Tourney action.
Oh god I do not want that match up....northwoods oldtimer wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:50 amLove me some East - STA Quarter. So does Danny!SpreadOut! wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:34 pm WBL, if they make it, could get seed over EP and Moorhead. Currently ranked higher. Tough call, though, on who is odd man out of those three. Duluth East beat WBL but had some questionable losses so likely won’t be seeded. But DE will be tough opening round opponent for whoever draws them.![]()
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Yeah Danny, if they ref it (like) last night, it will be called Wrestle-Mania 2019SquirtC'00 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 3:01 pmOh god I do not want that match up....northwoods oldtimer wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:50 amLove me some East - STA Quarter. So does Danny!SpreadOut! wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:34 pm WBL, if they make it, could get seed over EP and Moorhead. Currently ranked higher. Tough call, though, on who is odd man out of those three. Duluth East beat WBL but had some questionable losses so likely won’t be seeded. But DE will be tough opening round opponent for whoever draws them.![]()
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East is going to pound their opposition in to submission with their size, skill and speed.CakeScout17 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:08 am Well, here it comes and it's going to ruffle feathers and unleash passive/aggressive vitriol so BRING IT!
Seeding, schmeeding...
This '18-'19 season is a 'down year' overall. Not for entertainment mind you it is hockey after all - don't get me wrong. However, NONE of the regular season top 5 teams nor the state tourney participants can hold a candle to last years' top 5. I know, hard to compare, apples & oranges, players leaving, etc etc. but it's just a step down. It happens, it cycles. It is what it are! (Just wait till next year when it dips bit more...just sayin').
That said, rankings/seeds although 'earned' in a given season are meaningless. Remember this when you tune in or attend the Sat nite championship...
Oh sure, its fun fodder for the armchair folks like us but that's all...1/2 of us are proven right and the other go off crying and contradicting themselves in their daily lives. Folks, the 2019 state hockey championship was played at AmSoil Thursday night between Andover and DE!
END. OF. STORY.
The pace, intensity, raw energy and momentum swings was unlike any I have seen this year except for the DE/Andover matchup in early Dec and the summer showcase from late July - just relentless effort, speed and physicality. Nothing I have seen this season has matched it and I've now seen the entire top 20 live this year - So if DE ends up with a #5 or #6 seed? They will laugh all the way to the final whilst that #1 or #2 seed will have shaky hands as they lace up their skates Sat, March 9.
Early season Tonka was legit but veered off course. Blaine on a roll with 3 studs albeit not a lot of depth. MG just following their unfortunate annual script. Edina seemingly lacking grit yet they just end up outskating teams by middle of 3rd period and keep winning, but I still just dont 'feel it' from them...Andover and DE tho? Seem to possess another compete level. If you witnessed Wed nights sectional games at Mariucci and then caught the Thursday Andover/DE game you would wonder if there is a Class AAA in Minnesota...and, no, I'm not kidding (I actually heard couple of old-timers behind me in Sec 16 at Mariucci talking in their group of 4 and heard this quote, "is this the best these sections have?")...
DE has straightened out their issues, is on a roll and Ricky Lyle is flying as he has something to prove, to earn, if you will, a "ship" of both kinds - 'champion' and 'scholar'.
IMHO, its DE's tourney to lose now. Their speed, grit, preparedness and ability to adapt in-game under the professors' tutelage should propel them to the title they're seeking after last years' title loss to Tonka. Sure, anything can happen and it most assuredly will but I'd put my $ on DE. If DE is in Edina's bracket? Edina plays for 3rd place (again). If not, we might just see an Edina/DE final. If so, you'll see two different styles but it will end much like these two squads semifinal tilt from last March '18. And thus, provide further proof that rankings and seeds mean nothing.
I hope I'm wrong for selfish reasons but I must be objective and admit when I see something brewing. So, in the end, I'll either be the master prognosticator OR I just laid the biggest Costanza curse on DE and Jedi mind-tricked all their brethren. Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...
1. EdinaO-townClown wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 11:08 am1 Edina 6
3 Blaine 5
6 St. Thomas 3
7 Eden Prairie 2
11 Duluth East 7
13 Moorhead 8
20 White Bear Lake 4
24 Lakeville South 1
Moorhead beat Duluth East head to head (as I recall) pretty decisively...end of story.O-townClown wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:03 pm1. EdinaO-townClown wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 11:08 am1 Edina 6
3 Blaine 5
6 St. Thomas 3
7 Eden Prairie 2
11 Duluth East 7
13 Moorhead 8
20 White Bear Lake 4
24 Lakeville South 1
2. Blaine
3. St. T
4. Eden Prairie
5. Duluth E
x. Moorhead
x. White Bear Lake
x. Lakeville S
Reasoning:
Edina is #1 and will probably unanimously be voted as #1 seed
Blaine had a great year and is a solid #2
St. Thomas hasn't lost in forever. #3
Eden Prairie gets a 4 or 5 and won't go unseeded. They fared well this year and faced a very difficult schedule.
So it comes down to Moorhead, White Bear Lake & Duluth East for the 5 spot.
We all know they no longer use a blind draw, so: #1 Edina vs LVS at 6pm, #2 Blaine vs WBL at 11am, #3 STA vs DE at 1pm, #4 EP vs #5 Moorhead at 8pmO-townClown wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:03 pm1. EdinaO-townClown wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 11:08 am1 Edina 6
3 Blaine 5
6 St. Thomas 3
7 Eden Prairie 2
11 Duluth East 7
13 Moorhead 8
20 White Bear Lake 4
24 Lakeville South 1
2. Blaine
3. St. T
4. Eden Prairie
5. Duluth E
x. Moorhead
x. White Bear Lake
x. Lakeville S
Reasoning:
Edina is #1 and will probably unanimously be voted as #1 seed
Blaine had a great year and is a solid #2
St. Thomas hasn't lost in forever. #3
Eden Prairie gets a 4 or 5 and won't go unseeded. They fared well this year and faced a very difficult schedule.
So it comes down to Moorhead, White Bear Lake & Duluth East for the 5 spot.
But East tied EP, and Blaine. Shouldn't that bring them up to those levels then?hockey59 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:07 pmMoorhead beat Duluth East head to head (as I recall) pretty decisively...end of story.O-townClown wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:03 pm1. EdinaO-townClown wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 11:08 am1 Edina 6
3 Blaine 5
6 St. Thomas 3
7 Eden Prairie 2
11 Duluth East 7
13 Moorhead 8
20 White Bear Lake 4
24 Lakeville South 1
2. Blaine
3. St. T
4. Eden Prairie
5. Duluth E
x. Moorhead
x. White Bear Lake
x. Lakeville S
Reasoning:
Edina is #1 and will probably unanimously be voted as #1 seed
Blaine had a great year and is a solid #2
St. Thomas hasn't lost in forever. #3
Eden Prairie gets a 4 or 5 and won't go unseeded. They fared well this year and faced a very difficult schedule.
So it comes down to Moorhead, White Bear Lake & Duluth East for the 5 spot.