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Re: Duluth Denfeld, Rock Ridge to opt up to Class AA, Hermantown to stay Class A

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2023 1:53 pm
by defense
ClassAGuy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 11:27 am
elliott70 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 10:33 am So exactly how does the AA class work?

Per MSHSL they top 64 schools are AA.
The opt ups are added.

So, if that number is greater than 64 can the lowest populations elect to drop back????
Right now, the number in AA exceeds 64 and there are 10(???) opt ups. But it is not 64 plus 10 more like 67 or 68 in AA.
I looked at MSHSL this morning it is not Top 64 they list it as 1299 and above is AA and 1298 and below A

So it will depend on where the cutoff line will be that solves that.

I do think by DD and RR opting up it may drop the cut off line down instead of up though.
Policy that I just read in mshsl.org says there are three options for two classes : top 64 to AA, bottom 64 to A , or even split. So there is no black and white answer. Also teams can opt up or opt down, there are forms for both. This was general policy not specific to a sport.

Re: Duluth Denfeld, Rock Ridge to opt up to Class AA, Hermantown to stay Class A

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2023 1:56 pm
by ClassAGuy
defense wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 1:53 pm
ClassAGuy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 11:27 am
elliott70 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 10:33 am So exactly how does the AA class work?

Per MSHSL they top 64 schools are AA.
The opt ups are added.

So, if that number is greater than 64 can the lowest populations elect to drop back????
Right now, the number in AA exceeds 64 and there are 10(???) opt ups. But it is not 64 plus 10 more like 67 or 68 in AA.
I looked at MSHSL this morning it is not Top 64 they list it as 1299 and above is AA and 1298 and below A

So it will depend on where the cutoff line will be that solves that.

I do think by DD and RR opting up it may drop the cut off line down instead of up though.
Policy that I just read in mshsl.org says there are three options for two classes : top 64 to AA, bottom 64 to A , or even split. So there is no black and white answer. Also teams can opt up or opt down, there are forms for both. This was general policy not specific to a sport.
This is from the MSHSL Website on "Activity Classifications for 2021-2022 and 2022-2023" Where I got the cut off line as it lists Boys hockey as 1299 and above AA and 1298 and below A

https://www.mshsl.org/sites/default/fil ... 2-2023.pdf

Re: Duluth Denfeld, Rock Ridge to opt up to Class AA, Hermantown to stay Class A

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2023 2:03 pm
by defense
ClassAGuy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 1:56 pm
defense wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 1:53 pm
ClassAGuy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 11:27 am

I looked at MSHSL this morning it is not Top 64 they list it as 1299 and above is AA and 1298 and below A

So it will depend on where the cutoff line will be that solves that.

I do think by DD and RR opting up it may drop the cut off line down instead of up though.
Policy that I just read in mshsl.org says there are three options for two classes : top 64 to AA, bottom 64 to A , or even split. So there is no black and white answer. Also teams can opt up or opt down, there are forms for both. This was general policy not specific to a sport.
This is from the MSHSL Website on "Activity Classifications for 2021-2022 and 2022-2023" Where I got the cut off line as it lists Boys hockey as 1299 and above AA and 1298 and below A

https://www.mshsl.org/sites/default/fil ... 2-2023.pdf
This is a link to the way that they made the current classification.

https://www.mshsl.org/sites/default/fil ... 222023.pdf

This is not available for the next cycle yet.

Re: Duluth Denfeld, Rock Ridge to opt up to Class AA, Hermantown to stay Class A

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2023 2:05 pm
by defense
This is the general policy.



https://www.mshsl.org/sites/default/fil ... cement.pdf

Re: Duluth Denfeld, Rock Ridge to opt up to Class AA, Hermantown to stay Class A

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2023 2:08 pm
by ClassAGuy
defense wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 2:05 pm This is the general policy.



https://www.mshsl.org/sites/default/fil ... cement.pdf
Yes exactly so like I was trying to say the number last time was 1299 they cut off at. With the two smaller schools added could that shift the Top 64 Number down from 1299 to like 1250? It will be curious to see. I think we are on the exact same page here but overall its confusing.

Re: Duluth Denfeld, Rock Ridge to opt up to Class AA, Hermantown to stay Class A

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2023 2:10 pm
by defense
Not sure why they would muddle things up by putting a list of enrollment numbers out like that. Just more data I guess. Too much time on their hands.
Or possibly they have no idea what they are going to do and decide to put as much info out as possible in order to answer as many questions as they can even though in this case the info kind of contradicts itself. Interesting

Re: Duluth Denfeld, Rock Ridge to opt up to Class AA, Hermantown to stay Class A

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2023 2:11 pm
by ClassAGuy
defense wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 2:10 pm Not sure why they would muddle things up by putting a list of enrollment numbers out like that. Just more data I guess. Too much time on their hands.
Or possibly they have no idea what they are going to do and decide to put as much info out as possible in order to answer as many questions as they can even though in this case the info kind of contradicts itself. Interesting
The above Statement is the best Summary I have seen when trying to figure out the MSHSL =D> Bravo

Re: Duluth Denfeld, Rock Ridge to opt up to Class AA, Hermantown to stay Class A

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2023 2:14 pm
by ClassAGuy
defense wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 1:53 pm
ClassAGuy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 11:27 am
elliott70 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 10:33 am So exactly how does the AA class work?

Per MSHSL they top 64 schools are AA.
The opt ups are added.

So, if that number is greater than 64 can the lowest populations elect to drop back????
Right now, the number in AA exceeds 64 and there are 10(???) opt ups. But it is not 64 plus 10 more like 67 or 68 in AA.
I looked at MSHSL this morning it is not Top 64 they list it as 1299 and above is AA and 1298 and below A

So it will depend on where the cutoff line will be that solves that.

I do think by DD and RR opting up it may drop the cut off line down instead of up though.
Policy that I just read in mshsl.org says there are three options for two classes : top 64 to AA, bottom 64 to A , or even split. So there is no black and white answer. Also teams can opt up or opt down, there are forms for both. This was general policy not specific to a sport.
Maybe its time for Three Classes in Boys hockey :D thats a different thread I know

Re: Duluth Denfeld, Rock Ridge to opt up to Class AA, Hermantown to stay Class A

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2023 2:15 pm
by defense
ClassAGuy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 2:08 pm
defense wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 2:05 pm This is the general policy.



https://www.mshsl.org/sites/default/fil ... cement.pdf
Yes exactly so like I was trying to say the number last time was 1299 they cut off at. With the two smaller schools added could that shift the Top 64 Number down from 1299 to like 1250? It will be curious to see. I think we are on the exact same page here.
I think we are close, but what I see from this info is that they took the largest 64 that play hockey and put them in AA, they put the rest in A, then added opt ups to AA, opt downs to A. I don't think opt ups figure in to the cut off. But as I said, maybe no one knows exactly lol

Re: Duluth Denfeld, Rock Ridge to opt up to Class AA, Hermantown to stay Class A

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2023 2:17 pm
by defense
ClassAGuy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 2:14 pm
defense wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 1:53 pm
ClassAGuy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 11:27 am

I looked at MSHSL this morning it is not Top 64 they list it as 1299 and above is AA and 1298 and below A

So it will depend on where the cutoff line will be that solves that.

I do think by DD and RR opting up it may drop the cut off line down instead of up though.
Policy that I just read in mshsl.org says there are three options for two classes : top 64 to AA, bottom 64 to A , or even split. So there is no black and white answer. Also teams can opt up or opt down, there are forms for both. This was general policy not specific to a sport.
Maybe its time for Three Classes in Boys hockey :D thats a different thread I know
I like one. Or maybe a modification of what there is.

Re: Duluth Denfeld, Rock Ridge to opt up to Class AA, Hermantown to stay Class A

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2023 2:21 pm
by ClassAGuy
defense wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 2:17 pm
ClassAGuy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 2:14 pm
defense wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 1:53 pm

Policy that I just read in mshsl.org says there are three options for two classes : top 64 to AA, bottom 64 to A , or even split. So there is no black and white answer. Also teams can opt up or opt down, there are forms for both. This was general policy not specific to a sport.
Maybe its time for Three Classes in Boys hockey :D thats a different thread I know
I like one. Or maybe a modification of what there is.
Agree to disagree I think the addition of Class A hockey has been good for hockey overall.

Again, I don't think 3 classes is the answer but we do have issues with the current set up. Northern Edge & Tartan have to be AA due to enrollment but Cambridge Isanti and MLPS with AA enrollment get to be Class A those things drive me bonkers with MSHSL

Re: Duluth Denfeld, Rock Ridge to opt up to Class AA, Hermantown to stay Class A

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2023 2:26 pm
by elliott70
There are about 10 opt ups if I counted right.
If they had the top 64 and the opt-ups we would have 74 or so teams but if I counted right, there are 68 teams.
So, I am at a loss BUT
they might do that to start and then take requests for opt-downs and that gets us to where we are.

Re: Duluth Denfeld, Rock Ridge to opt up to Class AA, Hermantown to stay Class A

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2023 3:08 pm
by BSUBeaver
ClassAGuy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 2:14 pm
defense wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 1:53 pm
ClassAGuy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 11:27 am

I looked at MSHSL this morning it is not Top 64 they list it as 1299 and above is AA and 1298 and below A

So it will depend on where the cutoff line will be that solves that.

I do think by DD and RR opting up it may drop the cut off line down instead of up though.
Policy that I just read in mshsl.org says there are three options for two classes : top 64 to AA, bottom 64 to A , or even split. So there is no black and white answer. Also teams can opt up or opt down, there are forms for both. This was general policy not specific to a sport.
Maybe its time for Three Classes in Boys hockey :D thats a different thread I know
North Dakota just passed going to three classes for basketball... so don't think it can't happen.

Re: Duluth Denfeld, Rock Ridge to opt up to Class AA, Hermantown to stay Class A

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2023 6:16 pm
by Bigcat99
BSUBeaver wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 3:08 pm
ClassAGuy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 2:14 pm
defense wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 1:53 pm

Policy that I just read in mshsl.org says there are three options for two classes : top 64 to AA, bottom 64 to A , or even split. So there is no black and white answer. Also teams can opt up or opt down, there are forms for both. This was general policy not specific to a sport.
Maybe its time for Three Classes in Boys hockey :D thats a different thread I know
North Dakota just passed going to three classes for basketball... so don't think it can't happen.
ND used to have 3 classes for BBall, until sometime back in the 60's.

Re: Duluth Denfeld, Rock Ridge to opt up to Class AA, Hermantown to stay Class A

Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 10:26 am
by BodyShots
ClassAGuy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 12:28 pm
elliott70 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 12:15 pm
ClassAGuy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 11:47 am Fun look at New AA Sections with RR and DD

Here is the AA Secitons For next year draft if the cutoff stays at 1299

1AA (8)- Lakeville South, Rochester Mayo, Lakeville North, Rochester Century, Hastings, Rochester John Marshall, Owatonna, Farmington
2AA (9)- Minnetonka, Chanhassen, Holy Family Catholic, Shakopee, Eden Prairie, Prior Lake, Chaska, Bloomington Jefferson, Waconia
3AA (9)- STA, CDH, Eastview, Apple Vally/Burnsville, Park Cottage Grove, Eagan, Woodbury, East Ridge, Rosemount
4AA (9)- HM, WBL, Gentry, Roseville, East Ridge, Tartan, Mounds View, Irondale, TG
5AA (9)- MG, Rogers, Centinnal, CP, Spring Lake Park, Osseo, Blaine, Coon Rapids, Anoka
6AA (8)- Edina, Wayzata, BSM, HA, Blake, St Louis Park, Hopkins, Armstrong/Cooper
7AA (9)- Andover, Northern Edge, East, GR, CEC, DM, FL, DD, RR
8AA (9)- Moorhead, Bemidji, Roseau, St Cloud, STMA, Brainerd, Buffalo, ER, Sartell
7AA
CEC did not elect to opt up.
Good Catch fixed below (I will put Rosemount in 1AA as fall back if JM is dead) Had East ridge listed Twice fixed that also

1AA (9)- Lakeville South, Rochester Mayo, Lakeville North, Rochester Century, Hastings, Rochester John Marshall, Owatonna, Farmington, Rosemount
2AA (8)- Minnetonka, Chanhassen, Holy Family Catholic, Shakopee, Eden Prairie, Prior Lake, Chaska, Bloomington Jefferson
3AA (8)- STA, CDH, Eastview, Apple Vally/Burnsville, Park Cottage Grove, Eagan, Woodbury, East Ridge
4AA (8)- HM, WBL, Gentry, Roseville, Tartan, Mounds View, Irondale, TG
5AA (8)- MG, Rogers, Centinnal, CP, Spring Lake Park, Osseo, Blaine, Coon Rapids
6AA (8)- Edina, Wayzata, BSM, HA, Blake, St Louis Park, Hopkins, Armstrong/Cooper
7AA (9)- Andover, Northern Edge, East, GR, Anoka, DM, FL, DD, RR
8AA (9)- Moorhead, Bemidji, Roseau, St Cloud, STMA, Brainerd, Buffalo, ER, Sartell
Where is Stillwater?

Re: Duluth Denfeld, Rock Ridge to opt up to Class AA, Hermantown to stay Class A

Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 10:31 am
by Corn Cobb
BodyShots wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 10:26 am
ClassAGuy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 12:28 pm
elliott70 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 12:15 pm

7AA
CEC did not elect to opt up.
Good Catch fixed below (I will put Rosemount in 1AA as fall back if JM is dead) Had East ridge listed Twice fixed that also

1AA (9)- Lakeville South, Rochester Mayo, Lakeville North, Rochester Century, Hastings, Rochester John Marshall, Owatonna, Farmington, Rosemount
2AA (8)- Minnetonka, Chanhassen, Holy Family Catholic, Shakopee, Eden Prairie, Prior Lake, Chaska, Bloomington Jefferson
3AA (8)- STA, CDH, Eastview, Apple Vally/Burnsville, Park Cottage Grove, Eagan, Woodbury, East Ridge
4AA (8)- HM, WBL, Gentry, Roseville, Tartan, Mounds View, Irondale, TG
5AA (8)- MG, Rogers, Centinnal, CP, Spring Lake Park, Osseo, Blaine, Coon Rapids
6AA (8)- Edina, Wayzata, BSM, HA, Blake, St Louis Park, Hopkins, Armstrong/Cooper
7AA (9)- Andover, Northern Edge, East, GR, Anoka, DM, FL, DD, RR
8AA (9)- Moorhead, Bemidji, Roseau, St Cloud, STMA, Brainerd, Buffalo, ER, Sartell
Where is Stillwater?
Maybe they opted to play in Wisconsin in the next two year cycle??? lol.

Re: Duluth Denfeld, Rock Ridge to opt up to Class AA, Hermantown to stay Class A

Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 10:35 am
by ClassAGuy
BodyShots wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 10:26 am
ClassAGuy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 12:28 pm
elliott70 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 12:15 pm

7AA
CEC did not elect to opt up.
Good Catch fixed below (I will put Rosemount in 1AA as fall back if JM is dead) Had East ridge listed Twice fixed that also

1AA (9)- Lakeville South, Rochester Mayo, Lakeville North, Rochester Century, Hastings, Rochester John Marshall, Owatonna, Farmington, Rosemount
2AA (8)- Minnetonka, Chanhassen, Holy Family Catholic, Shakopee, Eden Prairie, Prior Lake, Chaska, Bloomington Jefferson
3AA (8)- STA, CDH, Eastview, Apple Vally/Burnsville, Park Cottage Grove, Eagan, Woodbury, East Ridge
4AA (8)- HM, WBL, Gentry, Roseville, Tartan, Mounds View, Irondale, TG
5AA (8)- MG, Rogers, Centinnal, CP, Spring Lake Park, Osseo, Blaine, Coon Rapids
6AA (8)- Edina, Wayzata, BSM, HA, Blake, St Louis Park, Hopkins, Armstrong/Cooper
7AA (9)- Andover, Northern Edge, East, GR, Anoka, DM, FL, DD, RR
8AA (9)- Moorhead, Bemidji, Roseau, St Cloud, STMA, Brainerd, Buffalo, ER, Sartell
Where is Stillwater?
Should be in 4AA like always must have missed them when trying to copy paste sections. TG could stay 4AA or got back to AA then looking at the map. Tried split them up thinking like Map. We will see what happens in April when the official one comes out.
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