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if its a district game it has to be played. if its not shakopee put them on the schedule.

CoachJ wrote:

DMom wrote:Is there any good reason to win by 16 goals? We've played a team this year that got one recorded shot on net. We managed to only score five goals in that game. On purpose. Sure it hurt the rankings because you're supposed to beat some teams by a certain amount but there are ways to get out of those games without humiliating the opponents.

Yeah its called CLASS. Thanks for showing it.

Did Moorhead not show class a year or so ago when they beat whoever in the playoffs.(HS) Not sure of the score, but was more lopsided than 18-2. I wasn't at the game, so I can't comment on what exactly happened, but it's tough for a highly skilled team to go out there and try not to score. Especially during the season. You practice, you play. Tough to tell kids not to shoot the puck. If the tender didn't make many saves, I'm sorry for him. I wouldn't think a team was necessarily trying to run up the score, but like I said, I wasn't there. I have personally been on the ass end of some beatings like that, and I've been on teams that have delivered them. Things happen. While not being an Edina fan, pretty tough to say they don't have class because A: They won big or B: They posted a score on a thread marked Pee Wee A "scores". Just an opinion.

WOW.....let's look at the basis of this argument for a second. You guys are all upset because someone won a game 18-2 and you all feel it was unsportsmanlike to do so. The plain simple fact is this: It is the coaches job for Edina to encorage his players to work hard, play the game in all areas of the ice, keeping the puck out of the net and to score. He has to coach his team and his team only.

It is the Shakopee coaches job to coach his team in the same manner. How is it Edina's responsibility to keep the puck out of Shakopee's net? Why would Edina coach their team to take it easy and teach them to flip the switch on and off, which is even more detrimental to team development! While not being a big Edina fan, lets get some perspective here, why aren't you ripping on the Shakopee coaches for not getting his team prepared to handle the situation, their previous loss to Edina in league play was 7-0, the very first game of the year. Based on the last score, who do you think has developed more and improved? I certainly would beleive that to be Edina.

Don't get mad at Edina for playing hard in a league game at the end of a season when they are trying to win a league championship with the second place team up next for them. People talk about how the best players and the best teams have a killer instinct, yet when they do people complain, no wonder why kids get confused these days.

Coaches have a job to do and it has to be done on both benches.

GR3343 wrote:

CoachJ wrote:

DMom wrote:Is there any good reason to win by 16 goals? We've played a team this year that got one recorded shot on net. We managed to only score five goals in that game. On purpose. Sure it hurt the rankings because you're supposed to beat some teams by a certain amount but there are ways to get out of those games without humiliating the opponents.

Yeah its called CLASS. Thanks for showing it.

Did Moorhead not show class a year or so ago when they beat whoever in the playoffs.(HS) Not sure of the score, but was more lopsided than 18-2. I wasn't at the game, so I can't comment on what exactly happened, but it's tough for a highly skilled team to go out there and try not to score. Especially during the season. You practice, you play. Tough to tell kids not to shoot the puck. If the tender didn't make many saves, I'm sorry for him. I wouldn't think a team was necessarily trying to run up the score, but like I said, I wasn't there. I have personally been on the ass end of some beatings like that, and I've been on teams that have delivered them. Things happen. While not being an Edina fan, pretty tough to say they don't have class because A: They won big or B: They posted a score on a thread marked Pee Wee A "scores". Just an opinion.

I think posting the score is a Problem. I know Edina can't just stop playing I agree. The game you are talking about is H.S. They should be able to handle it. I feel for Edina when they play a Team they should beat. The Rankings on MN Rankings only counts for a 8-0 score anything after that they they get nothing. Which even if they Win 8-0 they don't get Credit they lose in the Rankings playing teams like Shakopee. AS a Parent its hard to blame Edina for going out and playing the game as they know how. I would be more upset with Parent posting the score on a website. That you can control, This is rubbing it in. He erased score so lets give him a break.

CoachJ wrote:

GR3343 wrote:

CoachJ wrote:
Yeah its called CLASS. Thanks for showing it.

Did Moorhead not show class a year or so ago when they beat whoever in the playoffs.(HS) Not sure of the score, but was more lopsided than 18-2. I wasn't at the game, so I can't comment on what exactly happened, but it's tough for a highly skilled team to go out there and try not to score. Especially during the season. You practice, you play. Tough to tell kids not to shoot the puck. If the tender didn't make many saves, I'm sorry for him. I wouldn't think a team was necessarily trying to run up the score, but like I said, I wasn't there. I have personally been on the ass end of some beatings like that, and I've been on teams that have delivered them. Things happen. While not being an Edina fan, pretty tough to say they don't have class because A: They won big or B: They posted a score on a thread marked Pee Wee A "scores". Just an opinion.

I think posting the score is a Problem. I know Edina can't just stop playing I agree. The game you are talking about is H.S. They should be able to handle it. I feel for Edina when they play a Team they should beat. The Rankings on MN Rankings only counts for a 8-0 score anything after that they they get nothing. Which even if they Win 8-0 they don't get Credit they lose in the Rankings playing teams like Shakopee. AS a Parent its hard to blame Edina for going out and playing the game as they know how. I would be more upset with Parent posting the score on a website. That you can control, This is rubbing it in. He erased score so lets give him a break.

I think maybe you would want to respond to fromthecrease rather than me. His points are more well defined than mine. One question for you though, are teams out there really playing the game for rankings on MN Rankings? Or are they playing games to win them with goals of becoming State Champions? Oh, for the record, I know the Moorhead blowout was in High School, note the HS at the end of that sentence. Once again, just my opinion, but I think you created more of a situation than whoever posted the score because you didn't like it. Didn't appear that anyone was rubbing anything in, just posting a final.

fromthecrease wrote:WOW.....let's look at the basis of this argument for a second. You guys are all upset because someone won a game 18-2 and you all feel it was unsportsmanlike to do so. The plain simple fact is this: It is the coaches job for Edina to encorage his players to work hard, play the game in all areas of the ice, keeping the puck out of the net and to score. He has to coach his team and his team only.

It is the Shakopee coaches job to coach his team in the same manner. How is it Edina's responsibility to keep the puck out of Shakopee's net? Why would Edina coach their team to take it easy and teach them to flip the switch on and off, which is even more detrimental to team development! While not being a big Edina fan, lets get some perspective here, why aren't you ripping on the Shakopee coaches for not getting his team prepared to handle the situation, their previous loss to Edina in league play was 7-0, the very first game of the year. Based on the last score, who do you think has developed more and improved? I certainly would beleive that to be Edina.

Don't get mad at Edina for playing hard in a league game at the end of a season when they are trying to win a league championship with the second place team up next for them. People talk about how the best players and the best teams have a killer instinct, yet when they do people complain, no wonder why kids get confused these days.

Coaches have a job to do and it has to be done on both benches.

Crease, I could not agree with you more. It is Shokapee's job to stop Edina not Edina stop Edina.

This is "A" hockey and you play the entire game. I am not an Edina fan, but would venture like many coaches he shuffled kids into different positions. But at no time do you tell them to quit trying their best.

Humiliating is having everyone play keep away with the puck from another team. That really takes the wind out of the opponent more than just playing.

Post scores and let reality take hold.

I agree it is obvious Shokapee was not ready to play and that is not Edina's fault.

Do you kick a field goal or go for it on 4th down with a 40 point lead?..no right answer other than to not post the score and tell the world.

GoldenBear wrote:Do you kick a field goal or go for it on 4th down with a 40 point lead?..no right answer other than to not post the score and tell the world.

Still curious why it's okay to post a final of 3-2, but not 18-2. A final's a final, isn't it?

As discussed heavily in another thread, Minnesota Hockey is looking hard at competitive issues. The Edina/Shakopee game is an example of the problem.

Every district will have a last place team, but no team should be placed in a district where lose every single game.

You have to beat everyone to win the State Tournament. If districts were more competively balanced (Or if Edina had lost some top guys to Tier 1), it would be better for everybody.

hockeyparent11 wrote:As discussed heavily in another thread, Minnesota Hockey is looking hard at competitive issues. The Edina/Shakopee game is an example of the problem.

Every district will have a last place team, but no team should be placed in a district where lose every single game.

You have to beat everyone to win the State Tournament. If districts were more competively balanced (Or if Edina had lost some top guys to Tier 1), it would be better for everybody.

Minnesota Hockey does it right, they let the association decide based on their talent pools where to place the team. If the talent pool is not A level for an association, they can drop to a lower level and many do. But Minnesota Hockey should never decide where a team like Shakopee should play. They obliviously want the competition of D6 and D6 wants them in their league.

Remember between boys and girls there are a large number of teams that Minnesota Hockey tries to regulate at ages from Squirt to Midget. Those rules are not aimed at a single level such as peewee but all levels and by doing so, they allow districts and associations to operate in such a way that play among teams within a district and among teams from different districts happen with consistency. It's like buying a McDonald's in Winona and in TRF. People know what the burgers will taste like before they order.

District 10 PWA scores 1/14-1/21

Centennial 5 @ SF/No. Branch 1 ..... 1/14

Blaine 2 Vs Andover 0 ...(eng)... 1/16

Centennial 3 Vs Cambridge/Is 2 ..... 1/17

Coon Rapids 2 @ Elk River 2 ..... 1/18

Blaine 6 Vs SF/No. Branch 4 ..... 1/19

Centennial 1 @ Anoka 0 ..... 1/19

Coon Rapids 6 @ Andover 1 ..... 1/21

Centennial 2 @ Blaine 2 ..... 1/21

GR3343 wrote:

CoachJ wrote:

GR3343 wrote: Did Moorhead not show class a year or so ago when they beat whoever in the playoffs.(HS) Not sure of the score, but was more lopsided than 18-2. I wasn't at the game, so I can't comment on what exactly happened, but it's tough for a highly skilled team to go out there and try not to score. Especially during the season. You practice, you play. Tough to tell kids not to shoot the puck. If the tender didn't make many saves, I'm sorry for him. I wouldn't think a team was necessarily trying to run up the score, but like I said, I wasn't there. I have personally been on the ass end of some beatings like that, and I've been on teams that have delivered them. Things happen. While not being an Edina fan, pretty tough to say they don't have class because A: They won big or B: They posted a score on a thread marked Pee Wee A "scores". Just an opinion.

I think posting the score is a Problem. I know Edina can't just stop playing I agree. The game you are talking about is H.S. They should be able to handle it. I feel for Edina when they play a Team they should beat. The Rankings on MN Rankings only counts for a 8-0 score anything after that they they get nothing. Which even if they Win 8-0 they don't get Credit they lose in the Rankings playing teams like Shakopee. AS a Parent its hard to blame Edina for going out and playing the game as they know how. I would be more upset with Parent posting the score on a website. That you can control, This is rubbing it in. He erased score so lets give him a break.

I think maybe you would want to respond to fromthecrease rather than me. His points are more well defined than mine. One question for you though, are teams out there really playing the game for rankings on MN Rankings? Or are they playing games to win them with goals of becoming State Champions? Oh, for the record, I know the Moorhead blowout was in High School, note the HS at the end of that sentence. Once again, just my opinion, but I think you created more of a situation than whoever posted the score because you didn't like it. Didn't appear that anyone was rubbing anything in, just posting a final.

I think as a Coach you owe to another Coach to call the dogs off. I didn't really have issue with a team beating another 18-2. I just as a parent wouldn't come on here and post a score like that. These Teams clearly shouldn't be playing each other. If my team was up by 8 goals I wouldn't be trying to double it even if I didn't like the Coach. Do you think Edina is going to win the state tournament by beating Shakopee 18-2. I agreed its a tough spot to be in for them. Thats why I said MN Rankings 8 goals is the limit to win by. Yes Edina does play for rankings otherwise they wouldn't report all the scores to MN Rankings. 8-0 over shakopee is the same score in the Rankings as 18-2. But if Jefferson beats shakopee 10-0 then Edina feels they have to show they beat that team even worse. I know for the record the Moorhead Game was a H.S game. I was pointing out H.S is different then Pwa. 10-11 year old kids have different emotions. This whole website is about opinion and I welcome yours. Mine is it is rubbing it in. I don't coach for either team and I was not there so I don't claim to know how this happened. To Post a 3-2 score is news worthy 18-2 is not worth putting on here. Just my opinion

F61
I think that D6 or Minnesota Hockey should take more control in some cases. Looking at historical D6 standings on their website, Shakopee's PW and Bantam A teams have a combined league record of 5-71 (excluding a few ties) over the last three seasons. In 04-05, they had no Bantam A team and their B1 went 7-5.

Which situation was better for the kids on those teams? Which was better for the competition in D6?

hockeyparent11 wrote:F61
I think that D6 or Minnesota Hockey should take more control in some cases. Looking at historical D6 standings on their website, Shakopee's PW and Bantam A teams have a combined league record of 5-71 (excluding a few ties) over the last three seasons. In 04-05, they had no Bantam A team and their B1 went 7-5.

Which situation was better for the kids on those teams? Which was better for the competition in D6?

My point is this. At the D6 peewee A, Apple Valley is one of the top teams, Shakopee is at the bottom; but for Girls U12A, the associations are reversed, the Shakopee team is one of the top teams and the Apple Valley team is winless. Should the U12A Apple Valley girls be told to find another league?

Elk River 2 @ St. Cloud 3

I am sure the Edina kids remember winning big, and Shakopee kids remember getting trounced. But beyond that I don't think they care too much.
Next game both teams will try their best (we all hope) and leave having a sense that they are all hockey players.
The rest of us put a lot of emphasis on things that kids don't. Unless they read these posts.

Try smiling, its much better than arguing about something that does not matter much to the ones that matter most.

My point is this. At the D6 peewee A, Apple Valley is one of the top teams, Shakopee is at the bottom; but for Girls U12A, the associations are reversed, the Shakopee team is one of the top teams and the Apple Valley team is winless. Should the U12A Apple Valley girls be told to find another league?[/quote]

Apple Valley U12 did find another league last year. They played U12B instead and won the district. I suppose it ticked off some "true" B teams in the process. The proper level is a tough call for a group that barely wins at the A level but wins big at the B level.

Every league has someone in last place. No drama there. But if a group of kids wins less than 10% of its games year after year, they are playing at the wrong level. And probably not having fun.

Anoka 7 Sauk Rapids 0

1/23/08 D6 scores:
Jerfferson 7
Prior Lake 1

Chaska 3
Apple Valley 1

Link to 1/24/08 LPH Peewee A Rankings

http://www.letsplayhockey.com/943rankings.pdf

These are right on the money!

for the real and more realistic rankings go to mnrankings.com

Current District 10 PWA Standings

Place Team - GP - % of TOTAL Pts
1 Coon Rapids - 17 - 86.27%
2 Blaine - 17 - 78.43%
3 St. Cloud - 17 - 78.43%
4 Elk River - 15 - 77.78%
5 Centennial - 20 - 66.67%
6 Anoka - 17 - 66.67%
7 Andover - 17 - 64.71%
8 Champlin Park - 16 - 64.58%
9 Cambridge - 16 - 50.00%
10 SF/NBranch - 17 - 49.02%
11 Rogers - 15 - 33.33%
12 Sauk Rapids - 17 - 29.41%

25 Jan:

EGF 7
Crookston 0

Shots
EGF 17
Crookston 21

D6 - Friday:

Eden Prairie 2
Burnsville 1

Overtime - Great game by both squads

D6 leader decided Sunday night with EP vs Edina..At EP 7:00pm

did EP keep its happy point?