Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:02 pm
Muck,
Thanks for the breakdown information
Thanks for the breakdown information
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 9:43 pm
Time to move to the metro watchdog.
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 10:23 pm
WatchDog- I kinda laugh at you- I wont take your bait! You are out to get a few feathers ruffled and I can see you chuckling!
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 11:58 pm
Muck...I have been waiting for the right response on this blog and it has been extremely silent. Probably because these individuals are pulling slots this weekend.muckandgrind wrote:Ummmm.......Maple Grove is in District 3, not 10.Ugottobekiddingme wrote:Looks like someone has tripped over the land wire booby trap set by D10mg18 and Greybeard looking for approval. Before acknowledging mediocrity within the advanced 15 placement, someone should ask why 1/3 of the players are coming from D10 which includes Maple Grove players indirectly affiliated with D10 coaches. Which one of these guys were the "go to players" that gave their association a chance? Makes no difference to me...it's your dime.
And to answer your question about District 10 players and who were the "go to players" within their association??? Only 1. Why? Because the rest didn't even PLAY association hockey last season, they played at the HS level.
With regards to the Maple Grove players...are you saying that Cammaretta and Gross are not "go to players", either?Cammaretta might just be the very best 95 in the state, and Gross one of the best defensemen.
You have brought up a great point...although I don't call out individual kids names (even at 15 - they are still kids) there is an equation to the advanced evaluation that can solve many people's questions.
Being that you are connected to players, coaches, and the workings within hockey, let's point out who are the evaluators of the advanced 15. Let's start with where they are from, how many years they have evaluated talent, and what district they represent. If we can use kids names surely we can identify the adult evaluators.
There is talent that has been selected, no question on that, looking more for the method that was used.
Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 7:22 am
I'm not as connected as you think I am.....From what I understand, the final evaluators for the roster that goes to New York is made up mostly of that team's coaching staff...with input from the coaches of each of the St. Cloud teams.Ugottobekiddingme wrote:Muck...I have been waiting for the right response on this blog and it has been extremely silent. Probably because these individuals are pulling slots this weekend.muckandgrind wrote:Ummmm.......Maple Grove is in District 3, not 10.Ugottobekiddingme wrote:Looks like someone has tripped over the land wire booby trap set by D10mg18 and Greybeard looking for approval. Before acknowledging mediocrity within the advanced 15 placement, someone should ask why 1/3 of the players are coming from D10 which includes Maple Grove players indirectly affiliated with D10 coaches. Which one of these guys were the "go to players" that gave their association a chance? Makes no difference to me...it's your dime.
And to answer your question about District 10 players and who were the "go to players" within their association??? Only 1. Why? Because the rest didn't even PLAY association hockey last season, they played at the HS level.
With regards to the Maple Grove players...are you saying that Cammaretta and Gross are not "go to players", either?
You have brought up a great point...although I don't call out individual kids names (even at 15 - they are still kids) there is an equation to the advanced evaluation that can solve many people's questions.
Being that you are connected to players, coaches, and the workings within hockey, let's point out who are the evaluators of the advanced 15. Let's start with where they are from, how many years they have evaluated talent, and what district they represent. If we can use kids names surely we can identify the adult evaluators.
There is talent that has been selected, no question on that, looking more for the method that was used.
FESTIVAL NOTE from Director and AAA Comment
Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 5:43 pm
I received this NICE email note the other day from One of the Directors of the Advanced 15 Festival. Please note, I was up in St. Cloud for 4 of the 6 days and MET him. I sent him a note AFTER the festival telling him what a great time my son had (he still raves about it)
For those people who have mocked the talent at this years festival, Here is his exact writing to me, my son isn't going on to NY, but had a great time.
"We have told these young men (95's) that they will go down as one our best group of players, both on and off the ice."
He has been an evaluator as well for 6-7 years he said.
AAA NOTE
There are so many posts about AAA hockey, I felt finally complelled to respond.
Please note that there are MANY kids who participated in ST. Cloud, WHO DO NOT play AAA hockey and some never have. AAA hockey is fine, but so are other trainings regimens.
To make people feel like AAA hockey is "one of the main reasons" why these kids made it to ST. Cloud or to NY is a HUGE disservice in my opinion.
My son never played any AAA but I'm sure he would have enjoyed it. He plays other sports competitively (as do tons of players) and does off-season work against older players and adults which has been a great challenge.
For those people who have mocked the talent at this years festival, Here is his exact writing to me, my son isn't going on to NY, but had a great time.
"We have told these young men (95's) that they will go down as one our best group of players, both on and off the ice."
He has been an evaluator as well for 6-7 years he said.
AAA NOTE
There are so many posts about AAA hockey, I felt finally complelled to respond.
Please note that there are MANY kids who participated in ST. Cloud, WHO DO NOT play AAA hockey and some never have. AAA hockey is fine, but so are other trainings regimens.
To make people feel like AAA hockey is "one of the main reasons" why these kids made it to ST. Cloud or to NY is a HUGE disservice in my opinion.
My son never played any AAA but I'm sure he would have enjoyed it. He plays other sports competitively (as do tons of players) and does off-season work against older players and adults which has been a great challenge.
Re: FESTIVAL NOTE from Director and AAA Comment
Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:25 am
F14...you have just nose dived into the mountain and communication was lost. First, what does AAA hockey have to do with your message towards the adanced 15? Second, although "NICE" notes are great, what was used as a gauge towards "the best group of players" against previous tryout players? Lastly, who was this evaluator and what district does he reside in?....mocked.....sounds like a play on words.F14 wrote:I received this NICE email note the other day from One of the Directors of the Advanced 15 Festival. Please note, I was up in St. Cloud for 4 of the 6 days and MET him. I sent him a note AFTER the festival telling him what a great time my son had (he still raves about it)
For those people who have mocked the talent at this years festival, Here is his exact writing to me, my son isn't going on to NY, but had a great time.
"We have told these young men (95's) that they will go down as one our best group of players, both on and off the ice."
He has been an evaluator as well for 6-7 years he said.
AAA NOTE
There are so many posts about AAA hockey, I felt finally complelled to respond.
Please note that there are MANY kids who participated in ST. Cloud, WHO DO NOT play AAA hockey and some never have. AAA hockey is fine, but so are other trainings regimens.
To make people feel like AAA hockey is "one of the main reasons" why these kids made it to ST. Cloud or to NY is a HUGE disservice in my opinion.
My son never played any AAA but I'm sure he would have enjoyed it. He plays other sports competitively (as do tons of players) and does off-season work against older players and adults which has been a great challenge.
Re: FESTIVAL NOTE from Director and AAA Comment
Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:25 am
I'm still not following you. You're making an accusation and have no evidence to back it up. You're insinuating that the coaches were playing "favorites" when they picked the team, yet you don't even know who the coaches are? Doesn't that seem strange to you? If you know the names of the evaluators and the districts they reside, let's hear it. Otherwise, I think you should drop the accusations.Ugottobekiddingme wrote:F14...you have just nose dived into the mountain and communication was lost. First, what does AAA hockey have to do with your message towards the adanced 15? Second, although "NICE" notes are great, what was used as a gauge towards "the best group of players" against previous tryout players? Lastly, who was this evaluator and what district does he reside in?....mocked.....sounds like a play on words.F14 wrote:I received this NICE email note the other day from One of the Directors of the Advanced 15 Festival. Please note, I was up in St. Cloud for 4 of the 6 days and MET him. I sent him a note AFTER the festival telling him what a great time my son had (he still raves about it)
For those people who have mocked the talent at this years festival, Here is his exact writing to me, my son isn't going on to NY, but had a great time.
"We have told these young men (95's) that they will go down as one our best group of players, both on and off the ice."
He has been an evaluator as well for 6-7 years he said.
AAA NOTE
There are so many posts about AAA hockey, I felt finally complelled to respond.
Please note that there are MANY kids who participated in ST. Cloud, WHO DO NOT play AAA hockey and some never have. AAA hockey is fine, but so are other trainings regimens.
To make people feel like AAA hockey is "one of the main reasons" why these kids made it to ST. Cloud or to NY is a HUGE disservice in my opinion.
My son never played any AAA but I'm sure he would have enjoyed it. He plays other sports competitively (as do tons of players) and does off-season work against older players and adults which has been a great challenge.
You may not agree with every selection, but that's not evidence enough to suggest that any shannanigans were taking place. Personally, I think the roster looks very solid. I don't know much about the players from up north, but have watched every player on that list from the Metro area and I think they are all very deserving. Are there some deserving players that didn't make the cut? Of course. There are more than 30 elite 15 year olds in the state, so that goes to mean some good players won't go.
Ridiculous
Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:59 pm
The guy I talked to and got the note from is the gentlemen who is Scott Dornfeld, Director of the Advanced 15 program. I talked to him and John Perry. Scott was on the ice a few times during practices I saw as well.
While I'm sure he could just throw out compliements to everyone, my son told me they were given the same positive feedback as a group at their evaluations. Perhaps they say it every year, I have no idea, either way, it was said.
You should know that I saw one suite with 7 "evaulators" in it all with binders and it looked like clipboards during one of the games. No, I'm not sure who they were, but there was a staff of 24 coaches and evaluators up there according to John Perry. He told us that in the group meeting before we went to St. Cloud.
In regards to my AAA comments, I saw all kinds of comments from people blowing the horns of the AAA programs the kids came from. Just pointing out, many kids up in St. Cloud Did NOT go that route. Sometimes it seems like people take credit for kids performance based on that slice of their training.
While I'm sure he could just throw out compliements to everyone, my son told me they were given the same positive feedback as a group at their evaluations. Perhaps they say it every year, I have no idea, either way, it was said.
You should know that I saw one suite with 7 "evaulators" in it all with binders and it looked like clipboards during one of the games. No, I'm not sure who they were, but there was a staff of 24 coaches and evaluators up there according to John Perry. He told us that in the group meeting before we went to St. Cloud.
In regards to my AAA comments, I saw all kinds of comments from people blowing the horns of the AAA programs the kids came from. Just pointing out, many kids up in St. Cloud Did NOT go that route. Sometimes it seems like people take credit for kids performance based on that slice of their training.
Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 9:50 pm
F14...glad you and your son had a good experience in St. Cloud and it's great to hear the director of the program was on the ice and involved. That's a positive thing for Minnesota Hockey. There seems to have been additional effort towards this years selection process.
Muck...accusations?? If calling out D10 as a "sled", something you have to push or pull to generate activity, then I resemble that comment. I know the coaches and evaluators and I'm letting them hear it.
Muck...accusations?? If calling out D10 as a "sled", something you have to push or pull to generate activity, then I resemble that comment. I know the coaches and evaluators and I'm letting them hear it.
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:05 am
we had a boy with the 93s in saint cloud. i seem to recall my son saying that they we're told they were one of the best groups as well. it doesnt hurt to say it and at the time it might be true.
my son is from one side of mn and his roommate was from the other side of mn. neither had ever played AAA. a good number of the other players hadnt either.
select 15, 16 and 17 do a better job evaluating talent than any association we've come across. AAA is largely irrelevant its not the same caliber of play that it was 10 years ago
my son is from one side of mn and his roommate was from the other side of mn. neither had ever played AAA. a good number of the other players hadnt either.
select 15, 16 and 17 do a better job evaluating talent than any association we've come across. AAA is largely irrelevant its not the same caliber of play that it was 10 years ago
Advanced 15
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:46 pm
Has the final Advanced 15 roster been determined with the kids going to Rochester? My understanding is that both the selectee's and the alternates (30 kids) are participating in a National Pre Camp in Blaine this week. This must be an addition to the process because I do not see it listed on the Minnesota Hockey site. Since the National camp starts in a little over a week I would assume the roster is set and any alternates going would have been notified.
Anyone inside the circle on this?
Anyone inside the circle on this?
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 1:41 pm
If you go to www.usahockey.com, go to the development camps you can see the rosters, game schedules, results and stats. I would guess they'll have the rosters listed by the end of this week.
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:11 pm
Raskob got the call.
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:23 pm
Good for him. He seemed like a favorite going into the 102 camp. It was a bit of a surprise to see him as an alternate.mghockey18 wrote:Raskob got the call.
Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 11:44 pm
I too was a little surprised that Raskob didn't make it. I know he was pretty upset and didn't want to come out of th locker room after hearing the news. Can't wait till New York!
Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:03 pm
In chats with a couple of people,there were a few players who after being informed to work,still did not put forth an effort and coasted a bit as they thought they had it made. I am fairly sure there were a least 2 players in this situation and the players that worked were rewarded and others that coasted were not. No names were given nor were they asked for.
Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 4:06 pm
[quote="mghockey18"]Raskob got the call.[/quote
So how does that work if he was not a rostered player, but a alternate? Did someone drop out?
So how does that work if he was not a rostered player, but a alternate? Did someone drop out?
Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:21 pm
Nobodyonya wrote:Some areas around the country do not fill all the roster and they look to Minnesota first to fill any open spots...mghockey18 wrote:Raskob got the call.[/quote
So how does that work if he was not a rostered player, but a alternate? Did someone drop out?
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:45 pm
You can follow the stats here.
Up first at 8am CST on Friday July 16th is Taylor Cammarata vs. TJ Moore. Good luck Minnesotans!!
Up first at 8am CST on Friday July 16th is Taylor Cammarata vs. TJ Moore. Good luck Minnesotans!!
Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 9:20 pm
He is 5th in goals scored after 3 games.The Exiled One wrote:Good for him. He seemed like a favorite going into the 102 camp. It was a bit of a surprise to see him as an alternate.mghockey18 wrote:Raskob got the call.
Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 4:03 pm
Still a couple of days remaining, but no games on Monday... good time for an update.
Sure, none of these guys are within five points of the leader, but keep in mind that the average skater has tallied 1.95 points so far. Our Minnesota skaters are averaging 2.65 points each. Keep it up boys!!
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Player G A Pts Pos Team
Tyler Cline 3 2 5 F Blaine
Taylor Cammarata 1 4 5 F Shattuck
Willie Raskob 4 0 4 D Shattuck
Hudson Fasching 2 2 4 F Apple Valley
Karson Kuhlman 1 3 4 F Cloquet
Blake Heinrich 2 1 3 D Hill-Murray
Connor Thie 2 1 3 F Hopkins
Daniel Labosky 2 1 3 F Benilde
Zachary Hartley 2 1 3 F Holy Angels
Luke Voltin 1 2 3 F Hill-Murray
Conner Valesano 0 3 3 F Duluth East
Michael Brodzinski 2 0 2 D Blaine
Ryan Lundgren 2 0 2 F Duluth East
Thaddeus Moore 1 1 2 F Benilde
James Schuldt 0 2 2 D Minnetonka
Tyler Sheehy 0 2 2 F Burnsville
Gage Ausmus 1 0 1 D East Grand Forks
Jordan Gross 0 1 1 D Maple Grove
Parker Reno 0 1 1 D Edina
Jack Pietruszewski 0 0 0 D South St. Paul
Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:17 pm
The goalies
SH SV SV% GA
Hunter Miska 40 36 0.900 4
Ryan Daniels 62 50 0.806 12
SH SV SV% GA
Hunter Miska 40 36 0.900 4
Ryan Daniels 62 50 0.806 12
Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:30 pm
Just a couple games left and the Minnesota boys are pulling away... the skaters are averaging 3.90 points each to the field's 2.88. Way to represent!! Thie, Fasching, and Voltin are leading the way up front, while Raskob is second in points amongst all defensemen at camp.
And I'll follow those stats up with... forget the stats! Word is, most MN players are looking DAMN GOOD!!
And I'll follow those stats up with... forget the stats! Word is, most MN players are looking DAMN GOOD!!
Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 4:35 pm
Congrats to all the Minnesota players for a job well done...The Exiled One wrote:Just a couple games left and the Minnesota boys are pulling away... the skaters are averaging 3.90 points each to the field's 2.88. Way to represent!! Thie, Fasching, and Voltin are leading the way up front, while Raskob is second in points amongst all defensemen at camp.
And I'll follow those stats up with... forget the stats! Word is, most MN players are looking DAMN GOOD!!