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Neutron 14 wrote:

Govs93 wrote:

pioneers wrote: I agree that some recruiting through parents and kids does happen. However that is not against any rules and to say they were recruited always gives the connotation of cheating.

Maybe it does, but it's not cheating... I don't necessarily think it's always on the up-and-up, but there's not much you can do to stop it.

As I've said, my only real issue with it is when it comes to kids who have been in public school all the way through elementary and junior high, then suddenly make their way to a private school in 9th grade to play hockey. The timing is always just a little too coincidental for me.

On the flip side, if you played in a "public" (misnomer) youth program but were going to a private school during that time, I would consider you a "lost cause" () and have no objection to you obviously attending a private high school. I wish the best for those kids - go get a title.

Are you within your rights to go from a public school in 8th grade, then go private in 9th? Absolutely you are. Do I have the right to suspect there's something shady going on? Yes, I do.

I get a kick out of the non-catholics.

Hey... Lutrens/Catholics... splitting hairs...
Just as w/ recruiting/non-recruiting...

I hear this get's them to commit everytime...

rex123 wrote:recuriting is happening everywhere and in every sport by both public and private schools. People who want to point the recuriting finger only at private schools are missing the real issue?

What's recuriting?

wbmd wrote:

rex123 wrote:recuriting is happening everywhere and in every sport by both public and private schools. People who want to point the recuriting finger only at private schools are missing the real issue?

What's recuriting?

It's what a recuriter does...

DmanDad1980 wrote:

wbmd wrote:

rex123 wrote:recuriting is happening everywhere and in every sport by both public and private schools. People who want to point the recuriting finger only at private schools are missing the real issue?

What's recuriting?

It's what a recuriter does...

Don't agree with anything you have said up to this point on the bored but, this response made me choke on my breakfast. It's a beauty!

I haven't read all three pages as it's the same as every thread. But I do have a response to Govs from the first ten posts or so.

Govs, whenever a thread starts because a kid is playing at a private school located in a city he didn't grow up in people jump to say he was obviously recruited. Anders Lee was from Edina and Jordan Schroeder was from Lakeville, so because they played at St Thomas in Mendota Heights, they were obviously recruited. Etc, etc, etc. People make off the wall accusations with no backing all the time and 90% of the board backs them.
So, there is a sentence about some kids at different schools. They are all at different good programs in different classes. Maybe this, maybe that. Not necessarily recruiting, you're right. Recruiting is very possible. I've heard stories of how good basketball programs in the state do it, maybe not by the state's definition. People have said it happens at public schools, why are you trying to defend them like it doesn't? It probably didn't with these kids, but we all know it does happen.

That read like you just ate a can of alphabet soup, threw it up, and then tried to make words with it.

Does recruiting happen in private schools sometimes: Yes

Does recruiting happen in public schools sometimes: Probably

Do I care: Not unless it's STA recruiting someone that should be going to Hill.

Can't Never Tried wrote:That read like you just ate a can of alphabet soup, threw it up, and then tried to make words with it.

Good... it isn't just me.

I was going to respond, but I wasn't sure what I'd be responding to.

Can't Never Tried wrote:That read like you just ate a can of alphabet soup, threw it up, and then tried to make words with it.

When doesn't it?

I have never had a problem with private schools "recruiting" athletes. After all, they are a private entitiy. But after reading some of the posts during the last month, I may be changing my tune.

Are the MSHSL bi-laws on recruiting and open enrollment enforceable on ALL members of the league? Or just the public schools?

This question is vital to the entire issue. If the playing field is not fair, this brings up a very good argument against private schools being allowed to compete in MSHSL tournaments. I don't think it is ethical for private school to be a member and not have to abide by the rules set by the HS league. (if that's the case)

We are all under the same "umbrella" and held to the same standards. Like I've always said, if the MSHSL had evidence that a school violated recruiting their laws, they would go after them. Given the anti-private school sentiment out there, the MSHSL would get a big pat on the pack for busting them. As far as I know such an incident has never happened.

There was one incident a few years ago at Holy Angels. The coach apparently made sure a kid was admitted to the school. Don't remember ecatly what happened to him.

Pioneerprideguy wrote:We are all under the same "umbrella" and held to the same standards. Like I've always said, if the MSHSL had evidence that a school violated recruiting their laws, they would go after them. Given the anti-private school sentiment out there, the MSHSL would get a big pat on the pack for busting them. As far as I know such an incident has never happened.

Private schools solicit and advertise for students to attned their schools. How can the MSHSL differentiate between a solicitation and recruitment. I don't think there is much of a difference. I guess we would have to know the MSHSL's definition of recruitment before an intelligent conversation can take place.

ozzie679 wrote:

Pioneerprideguy wrote:We are all under the same "umbrella" and held to the same standards. Like I've always said, if the MSHSL had evidence that a school violated recruiting their laws, they would go after them. Given the anti-private school sentiment out there, the MSHSL would get a big pat on the pack for busting them. As far as I know such an incident has never happened.

Private schools solicit and advertise for students to attned their schools. How can the MSHSL differentiate between a solicitation and recruitment. I don't think there is much of a difference. I guess we would have to know the MSHSL's definition of recruitment before an intelligent conversation can take place.

And then it wouldn't belong on the "bored"

ozzie679 wrote:I have never had a problem with private schools "recruiting" athletes. After all, they are a private entitiy. But after reading some of the posts during the last month, I may be changing my tune.

Are the MSHSL bi-laws on recruiting and open enrollment enforceable on ALL members of the league? Or just the public schools?

This question is vital to the entire issue. If the playing field is not fair, this brings up a very good argument against private schools being allowed to compete in MSHSL tournaments. I don't think it is ethical for private school to be a member and not have to abide by the rules set by the HS league. (if that's the case)

ozzie, We in the Catholic schools like to think that the MSHSL rules apply to everyone else but us.

The only authority that we recognize is God and the Pope and slapshooter

We win at all sports because we can recruit the best kids by offering them money. If we get caught, we buy peoples silence.

God likes rich people who are Catholic. If you dont believe it, check out the sports pages

We wouldnt have it any other way.

packerboy wrote:

ozzie679 wrote:I have never had a problem with private schools "recruiting" athletes. After all, they are a private entitiy. But after reading some of the posts during the last month, I may be changing my tune.

Are the MSHSL bi-laws on recruiting and open enrollment enforceable on ALL members of the league? Or just the public schools?

This question is vital to the entire issue. If the playing field is not fair, this brings up a very good argument against private schools being allowed to compete in MSHSL tournaments. I don't think it is ethical for private school to be a member and not have to abide by the rules set by the HS league. (if that's the case)

ozzie, We in the Catholic schools like to think that the MSHSL rules apply to everyone else but us.

The only authority that we recognize is God and the Pope and slapshooter

We win at all sports because we can recruit the best kids by offering them money. If we get caught, we buy peoples silence.

God likes rich people who are Catholic. If you dont believe it, check out the sports pages

We wouldnt have it any other way.

There's the intelligent response that I was looking for.

ozzie679 wrote:

packerboy wrote:

ozzie679 wrote:I have never had a problem with private schools "recruiting" athletes. After all, they are a private entitiy. But after reading some of the posts during the last month, I may be changing my tune.

Are the MSHSL bi-laws on recruiting and open enrollment enforceable on ALL members of the league? Or just the public schools?

This question is vital to the entire issue. If the playing field is not fair, this brings up a very good argument against private schools being allowed to compete in MSHSL tournaments. I don't think it is ethical for private school to be a member and not have to abide by the rules set by the HS league. (if that's the case)

ozzie, We in the Catholic schools like to think that the MSHSL rules apply to everyone else but us.

The only authority that we recognize is God and the Pope and slapshooter

We win at all sports because we can recruit the best kids by offering them money. If we get caught, we buy peoples silence.

God likes rich people who are Catholic. If you dont believe it, check out the sports pages

We wouldnt have it any other way.

There's the intelligent response that I was looking for.

Pioneerprideguy wrote:We are all under the same "umbrella" and held to the same standards. Like I've always said, if the MSHSL had evidence that a school violated recruiting their laws, they would go after them. Given the anti-private school sentiment out there, the MSHSL would get a big pat on the pack for busting them. As far as I know such an incident has never happened.

MSHSL is a bureaucratic body that establishes the rules.

They do not have the teeth, the funds, nor the time to enforce. They are not an enforcement arm. The only way they are going to go after something, is if the violation is blatant and served on a platter...

Therein lies the problem. Rules w/ no enforcement. That is why we don't hear of the examples of recruiting by both public and private.

Well then people have two options. Quit crying about recruiting & start going after players...or, sit back & watch as kids leave your programs. There's the old saying, "If you're not recruiting you're not trying."

Private schools are just another option for parents who want their kids to A) have more one on one attention, B) more structure (opinionative), C) a better education (again opinionative), D) if they have successful sport teams they want to be a part of it, same as public schools. E) And if it is catholic.... Faith, I know public school people this might be hard to believe for some of you, but Faith plays a big role in some people's lives.
Not everyone likes private schools, and not everyone likes public schools. It's just a lot of private school people act extremely stuck up, and that pisses public school people off. It pisses poor private school people off too.
But recruiting is necessary for both, how else to kids go to your school, I live by Como, but I would never go there. It's a poo hole. No matter if it is public or private it’s not a school I’d want to go to. Same with Hill most stuck up people on earth, (congrats though on state). It's all up to the kid himself, and a lot of people, from the parents of the kid himself, to people on this board, forget that, remember its just a game, an amazing game, the best game on earth, but just a game. It should be about developing good kids who will be successful later in life.

It depends by what you mean by recruit. Do coaches or administrators at public or private schools recruit? Probably not, it would be illegal and career suicide. Do boosters recruit? Yes. Do parents recruit? Yes. Can the MSHSL do anything about that? No.

The Bill of Rights is a wonderfull thing.

Pioneerprideguy wrote:Well then people have two options. Quit crying about recruiting & start going after players...or, sit back & watch as kids leave your programs. There's the old saying, "If you're not recruiting you're not trying."

Thats right Ppg. In real estate its location, location, and locaton. In high school athletics, its recruit, recruit , and recruit.

Get behind it or get out of the way.

Win or lose, we dont give a hoot
But whatever you do, get out and recruit.

packerboy wrote:

Pioneerprideguy wrote:Well then people have two options. Quit crying about recruiting & start going after players...or, sit back & watch as kids leave your programs. There's the old saying, "If you're not recruiting you're not trying."

Thats right Ppg. In real estate its location, location, and locaton. In high school athletics, its recruit, recruit , and recruit.

Get behind it or get out of the way.

Win or lose, we dont give a hoot
But whatever you do, get out and recruit.

Give a Hoot! Don't Recriut!

Maybe we should petition the MSHSL and have them just make recruiting legal. Schools could all add departments dedicated to recruiting. It would create lots of jobs and help the economy.