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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:07 pm
by Gopher Blog
The Exiled One wrote:Except for people with pathological disorders, every action every person takes has to be justified to themselves.
Then why would make such a comment about one player and not the rest? If it is such a universal, it is kind of pointless to even state it then.
The Exiled One wrote:Care to make any before criticizing mine?
Actually, I didn't criticize any of your choices. They are legit. I just remarked on some of the commentary/logic.
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:28 pm
by Bash Brother
RYAN WALTERS 2010 MR. HOCKEY... 1st Team all-state as a sophmore....ENOUGH SAID.
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:23 am
by edinalover1
Marshall Everson FTW
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:05 am
by The Exiled One
Bash Brother wrote:RYAN WALTERS 2010 MR. HOCKEY... 1st Team all-state as a sophmore....ENOUGH SAID.
Nice try, but he'll be in the USHL full time.
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:07 am
by The Exiled One
Gopher Blog wrote:The Exiled One wrote:Except for people with pathological disorders, every action every person takes has to be justified to themselves.
Then why would make such a comment about one player and not the rest? If it is such a universal, it is kind of pointless to even state it then.
So your issue isn't with my logic, it's with my motive. Your first guess on my motive is probably correct.
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:11 am
by Can't Never Tried
edinalover1 wrote:Marshall Everson FTW
I'm certianly not a Edina guy but from what I have seen, and IMO of all the Hornet players i've watched Marshall is the most complete, skates hard, and has good feet, vision is excellent and sees the ice well, and can put the puck in the net.
Not looking for an agrument either...I just calls em like I sees em
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:16 pm
by Gopher Blog
Can't Never Tried wrote:edinalover1 wrote:Marshall Everson FTW
I'm certianly not a Edina guy but from what I have seen, and IMO of all the Hornet players i've watched Marshall is the most complete, skates hard, and has good feet, vision is excellent and sees the ice well, and can put the puck in the net.
He has always been one of my favorite HS players in the last few years. But you have to admit that he does get set up very well by Budish. But Everson certainly knows how to bury the puck.
I wonder if that will happen in college someday...
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:48 pm
by darkdemon
It'll prolly be Budish cause all the voters will vote for whoever the blog tells them to. Because he has so much pull in the sports world
Or so he thinks
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:28 pm
by Neutron 14
Can't Never Tried wrote:Not looking for an agrument either...
I'm not sure you'll find anyone who will "agru" with you.
Eversons very good. Budish (like Pitlick
) is scary.
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:51 pm
by Gopher Blog
darkdemon wrote:It'll prolly be Budish cause all the voters will vote for whoever the blog tells them to. Because he has so much pull in the sports world
Or so he thinks
Was your comment the kind of attempt at a putdown that works in HS these days?
Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:52 pm
by breakout
breakout wrote:The Exiled One wrote:Although a lot can change through the course of the season, I'm going to shorten my prediction list. Though Leddy is my frontrunner for defensemen, I think the forward class is too deep to pick any blueliner. And, as far as I know, the class and classroom character of the players on my list is sound, so that just leaves their actually hockey performance and how the scouts and coaches project them to do after HS. So now that we have a better idea of who is NOT going to juniors, this is my shortened prediction list...
Danny Mattson- Academy Of Holy Angels
- Danny should be able to put up some numbers, but AHA will have to have an improved season (and likely make State) for him to have a chance.
Zach Budish- Edina
- Assuming Zach keeps pace with Everson and Lee, he should be the frontrunner amongst all candidates including his teammates. Everson and Lee were already passed over in the NHL draft, which indicates that the scouts will favor Zach in the voting process.
Tyler Pitlick- Centennial
- Tyler did what he needed to do in getting named to the USA U18 Select Team, now he just has to dominate his competition to take the lead.
Ben Hanowski- Little Falls
- The big IF for Ben is can he put up triple digit points without his brother or Festler? If he can, the voters will have to justify to themselves why they AREN'T voting for him.
I didn't name any of the Roseau boys because Oliver projects as the better pro but Landman should put up better numbers, thereby cancelling eachother out. Again, these are just predictions, and a lot can change throughout the course of the season.
Great group of names
Additions:
Leddy, US Under 17 & 18 selection and, I believe the only one of the bunch invited to play at NTDP.
Oliver, US Under 17 & 18 selection and committed to St. Cloud State. Landman is talented, but will more than likely follow behind Oliver.
Lapic? Should put up big numbers. The size of his school might hold him back.
Congratulations to all of these talented players for staying in high school for their senior years. They are making the choice to stay with their friends, graduate from their high school and take a run at going to the state tournament. I am sure the JR teams that drafted them would love for them to be playing in the USHL. In my opinion, it shows the value of high school hockey and the Elite League as development paths & opportunities.
That same course seemed to work for Aaron Ness and Jake Gardiner. Both were high NHL draft choices.
Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:36 pm
by Hockeyguy_27
breakout wrote:breakout wrote:The Exiled One wrote:Although a lot can change through the course of the season, I'm going to shorten my prediction list. Though Leddy is my frontrunner for defensemen, I think the forward class is too deep to pick any blueliner. And, as far as I know, the class and classroom character of the players on my list is sound, so that just leaves their actually hockey performance and how the scouts and coaches project them to do after HS. So now that we have a better idea of who is NOT going to juniors, this is my shortened prediction list...
Danny Mattson- Academy Of Holy Angels
- Danny should be able to put up some numbers, but AHA will have to have an improved season (and likely make State) for him to have a chance.
Zach Budish- Edina
- Assuming Zach keeps pace with Everson and Lee, he should be the frontrunner amongst all candidates including his teammates. Everson and Lee were already passed over in the NHL draft, which indicates that the scouts will favor Zach in the voting process.
Tyler Pitlick- Centennial
- Tyler did what he needed to do in getting named to the USA U18 Select Team, now he just has to dominate his competition to take the lead.
Ben Hanowski- Little Falls
- The big IF for Ben is can he put up triple digit points without his brother or Festler? If he can, the voters will have to justify to themselves why they AREN'T voting for him.
I didn't name any of the Roseau boys because Oliver projects as the better pro but Landman should put up better numbers, thereby cancelling eachother out. Again, these are just predictions, and a lot can change throughout the course of the season.
Great group of names
Additions:
Leddy, US Under 17 & 18 selection and, I believe the only one of the bunch invited to play at NTDP.
Oliver, US Under 17 & 18 selection and committed to St. Cloud State. Landman is talented, but will more than likely follow behind Oliver.
Lapic? Should put up big numbers. The size of his school might hold him back.
Congratulations to all of these talented players for staying in high school for their senior years. They are making the choice to stay with their friends, graduate from their high school and take a run at going to the state tournament. I am sure the JR teams that drafted them would love for them to be playing in the USHL. In my opinion, it shows the value of high school hockey and the Elite League as development paths & opportunities.
That same course seemed to work for Aaron Ness and Jake Gardiner. Both were high NHL draft choices.
Well said.
Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:18 pm
by Goldy Gopher
sinbin006 wrote:Papa Bergundy wrote:mch wrote:
from this list i'm gonna wager that a tyler wins it
Can a class A player even win the award? I am pretty sure they can't.
1998 - Johnny Pohl - Red Wing - Class A
2002- Gino Guyer- Greenway (Coleraine)- Class A
1988- Larry Olimb- Warroad- Class A
1987- Kris Miller- Greenway (Coleraine)- Class A
Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 2:25 pm
by quickgym guy
Goldy Gopher wrote:sinbin006 wrote:Papa Bergundy wrote:
Can a class A player even win the award? I am pretty sure they can't.
1998 - Johnny Pohl - Red Wing - Class A
2002- Gino Guyer- Greenway (Coleraine)- Class A
1988- Larry Olimb- Warroad- Class A
1987- Kris Miller- Greenway (Coleraine)- Class A
Coleraine (Greenway) was a AA school when Guyer won... and 87 - 88 it was still a one class system
Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:14 pm
by The Exiled One
Budish was the USA's best player in their losing effort at the Ivan Hlinka tournament. Although Oliver, Pitlick, and Leddy didn't do poorly, Budish probably added some distance from all of them. There's a lot that could happen between now and the end of the high school season, but if they gave out a preseason Mr. Hockey award, I'd rank the top three this way...
1. Budish
2. Hanowski
3. Leddy
Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:29 pm
by Can't Never Tried
The Exiled One wrote:Budish was the USA's best player in their losing effort at the Ivan Hlinka tournament. Although Oliver, Pitlick, and Leddy didn't do poorly, Budish probably added some distance from all of them. There's a lot that could happen between now and the end of the high school season, but if they gave out a preseason Mr. Hockey award, I'd rank the top three this way...
1. Budish
2. Hanowski
3. Leddy
Supporting facts please!
Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:55 pm
by The Exiled One
Can't Never Tried wrote:The Exiled One wrote:Budish was the USA's best player in their losing effort at the Ivan Hlinka tournament. Although Oliver, Pitlick, and Leddy didn't do poorly, Budish probably added some distance from all of them. There's a lot that could happen between now and the end of the high school season, but if they gave out a preseason Mr. Hockey award, I'd rank the top three this way...
1. Budish
2. Hanowski
3. Leddy
Supporting facts please!
Budish's first name is Zach. Hanowski plays for Little Falls. Leddy has committed to the Gophers. Those are facts.
Seriously, it's just my opinion based on the known criteria for Mr. Hockey voting.
Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:28 pm
by Goldy Gopher
quickgym guy wrote:Goldy Gopher wrote:sinbin006 wrote:
1998 - Johnny Pohl - Red Wing - Class A
2002- Gino Guyer- Greenway (Coleraine)- Class A
1988- Larry Olimb- Warroad- Class A
1987- Kris Miller- Greenway (Coleraine)- Class A
Coleraine (Greenway) was a AA school when Guyer won... and 87 - 88 it was still a one class system
Noted.
We'll blame that one on the jet lag.
Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 2:49 pm
by The Exiled One
Since pro scouts' opinions weigh heavily into the Mr. Hockey voting process, the CSB Preliminary Rankings are a good indicator of who's in the running. Here's who they have as "A" rated prospects...
Zach Budish (Edina)
Dan DeLisle (Totino Grace)
Ben Hanowski (Little Falls)
Nick Leddy (Eden Prairie)
Danny Mattson (Holy Angels)
Nick Oliver (Roseau)
Tyler Pitlick (Centennial)
Pitlick isn't eligible for the NHL draft until 2010, but most of the diehards would agree that'd he'd be an "A" rated prospect if he were eligible this coming year. Budish (as I'm sure everybody is aware) won't be winning the Mr. Hockey award.
Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 5:42 pm
by komada77
So does Budish being out for the 2008-09 season help or hurt Everson's and Lee's chances of winning? Obviously Budish has had quite a bit to do with the success of the other two, and vice versa, but does the loss of Zack help boost the numbers of the other two because they have to make up for his lost production, or does it reduce their numbers because defenses will be able to key more on them and Budish will not be out their to set them up for points?
Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:14 pm
by karl(east)
That's a good question. I'd hazard to guess that the Budish injury might actually help Everson and Lee's stats, as the two of them on a line are still plenty dangerous, and they don't have to share quite as much anymore. Whoever their linemate is (Taft? Gaarder?) will also be a very lucky person.
Though it may help the individuals, who knows what it will do to the team as a whole.
Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:54 pm
by TheSniper09
if Budish only plays half of the year with his injury can he still get mr. hockey?
Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:05 pm
by Bash Brother
TheSniper09 wrote:if Budish only plays half of the year with his injury can he still get mr. hockey?
He wont play at all... so this question is irrelevant. However it can be won only playing half the season... although unlikely.
Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:31 pm
by komada77
Bash Brother wrote:TheSniper09 wrote:if Budish only plays half of the year with his injury can he still get mr. hockey?
He wont play at all... so this question is irrelevant. However it can be won only playing half the season... although unlikely.
He'd have to have the greatest half-season in the history of HS hockey.
Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:35 pm
by Bash Brother
komada77 wrote:Bash Brother wrote:TheSniper09 wrote:if Budish only plays half of the year with his injury can he still get mr. hockey?
He wont play at all... so this question is irrelevant. However it can be won only playing half the season... although unlikely.
He'd have to have the greatest half-season in the history of HS hockey.
Thats why i said unlikely... but after a private school kid won it i say nothing is out of the ordinary.