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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 9:25 pm
by rhcpqotsarbf
deacon wrote:komada77 wrote:deacon wrote:
move to a tougher conference? do you know anything about how high school athletics work?
School can switch conferences if they feel the need to. Cretin did it 5 years ago when they moved from St. Paul City to SEC. Edina, Armstrong, Wayzata, Hopkins, & Tonka will all be doing it in the next couple years. So the real question is, do you know anyhting about how high school athletics work?
Yes, I do know a little bit about how high school athletics work. You can not just jump conferences. The comment to move to a tougher conference iis somewhat ignorant because STA hasn't even dominated their conference. Also, as others have mentioned,
if one sport plays in a conference, all sports play in the conference. I believe schools have an obligation for a set number of years to remain in a specific conference. Besides that, if STA wanted to switch conferences, there is no guarantee that other conferences would allow them to join their conference, similar to what happened to CDH.
not true, aha lacrosse plays in an all private school conference whereas the rest of the sports at aha play in the missota.
Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 10:16 pm
by karl(east)
rhcpqotsarbf wrote:deacon wrote:komada77 wrote:
School can switch conferences if they feel the need to. Cretin did it 5 years ago when they moved from St. Paul City to SEC. Edina, Armstrong, Wayzata, Hopkins, & Tonka will all be doing it in the next couple years. So the real question is, do you know anyhting about how high school athletics work?
Yes, I do know a little bit about how high school athletics work. You can not just jump conferences. The comment to move to a tougher conference iis somewhat ignorant because STA hasn't even dominated their conference. Also, as others have mentioned,
if one sport plays in a conference, all sports play in the conference. I believe schools have an obligation for a set number of years to remain in a specific conference. Besides that, if STA wanted to switch conferences, there is no guarantee that other conferences would allow them to join their conference, similar to what happened to CDH.
not true, aha lacrosse plays in an all private school conference whereas the rest of the sports at aha play in the missota.
Duluth East is another counterexample. They're in the LSC for football but have bailed in hockey and basketball.
Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 10:18 pm
by GopherHater
Spuds take it all
Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 10:29 pm
by east hockey
karl(east) wrote:rhcpqotsarbf wrote:deacon wrote:
Yes, I do know a little bit about how high school athletics work. You can not just jump conferences. The comment to move to a tougher conference iis somewhat ignorant because STA hasn't even dominated their conference. Also, as others have mentioned, if one sport plays in a conference, all sports play in the conference. I believe schools have an obligation for a set number of years to remain in a specific conference. Besides that, if STA wanted to switch conferences, there is no guarantee that other conferences would allow them to join their conference, similar to what happened to CDH.
not true, aha lacrosse plays in an all private school conference whereas the rest of the sports at aha play in the missota.
Duluth East is another counterexample. They're in the LSC for football but have bailed in hockey and basketball.
They're in the North Country conference for football but the point is valid; you aren't locked into the same conference for all sports.
Lee
Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 10:31 pm
by karl(east)
east hockey wrote:karl(east) wrote:rhcpqotsarbf wrote:
not true, aha lacrosse plays in an all private school conference whereas the rest of the sports at aha play in the missota.
Duluth East is another counterexample. They're in the LSC for football but have bailed in hockey and basketball.
They're in the North Country conference for football but the point is valid; you aren't locked into the same conference for all sports.
Lee
Ah, how quickly I forget these things...
Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 10:44 pm
by Papa Bergundy
Don't take this as my official picks by any means.
Again, not my official picks, just a thought.
Onward, I think this years Schwann Cup is interesting because of all the dark horses that could win it. In Gold I see an underrated Moorhead team with a shot at an upset and the always controversial Cadets of St. Thomas with potential as well.
In Silver I see only two other teams with a legitimate shot at downing the Hounds. A young Benilde team with talented players people don't really know about and Wayzata, a team East won a somewhat close 2-0 game some weeks back. But I don't know, wouldn't put my money against East unless i had a lot.
In bronze I see little competition for Maple Grove, but to be totally honest, I'm not gonna watch those games anyway.
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 12:03 am
by hockeyrocks
Papa Bergundy wrote:Don't take this as my official picks by any means.
Again, not my official picks, just a thought.
Onward, I think this years Schwann Cup is interesting because of all the dark horses that could win it. In Gold I see an underrated Moorhead team with a shot at an upset and the always controversial Cadets of St. Thomas with potential as well.
In Silver I see only two other teams with a legitimate shot at downing the Hounds. A young Benilde team with talented players people don't really know about and Wayzata, a team East won a somewhat close 2-0 game some weeks back. But I don't know, wouldn't put my money against East unless i had a lot.
In bronze I see little competition for Maple Grove, but to be totally honest, I'm not gonna watch those games anyway.
Pops,
While I'm usually in tune with what your saying, this time I have to disagree. I don't see either Wayzata or Moorhead winning a game let alone their brackets. I do agree that the Gold bracket has 4 legit contenders in Hill, Centennial, Edina and Holy Angels. My Dark horse here is Holy Angels.
Duluth or Breck in Silver and MG or Mahtamedi in Bronze
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 12:16 am
by King of the Pond
rhcpqotsarbf wrote:anyone who says centennial will beat aha is dead wrong...
aha just dominated centennial 7-1 in a scrimmage on tuesday...
they also tied hill.
Ok good job just wait until they play a real game and not a SCRIMMAGE that is if you can even get past St Thomas. Im guessing Centennials backup let in most of those goals because the coach will usually split them in scrimmages and Centennial tied hill too. The backup is the JV goalie by the way because Centennial only has 3 goalies on their roster. I hope they blow out you cocky cake eaters.
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 12:23 am
by SPUDNUT
rhcpqotsarbf wrote:anyone who says centennial will beat aha is dead wrong...
aha just dominated centennial 7-1 in a scrimmage on tuesday...
they also tied hill.
You watching Peewees or something ? Have never heard of a varsity scrimmaging anybody when the regular season was in progress !
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 12:35 am
by dynamicD
1st Rd.
Centennial over WB 5-3
AHA over STA 3-2
Hill over Tonka 4-2
Edina over Moorhead 5-1
2nd Rd.
Cent over AHA 3-1
Hill over Edina 4-3
Champ.
Gold-Hill over Cent 3-2
Silver-Duluth East (easily)
Bronze-Maple Grove
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 12:37 am
by Penguinsfan33
SPUDNUT wrote:rhcpqotsarbf wrote:anyone who says centennial will beat aha is dead wrong...
aha just dominated centennial 7-1 in a scrimmage on tuesday...
they also tied hill.
You watching Peewees or something ? Have never heard of a varsity scrimmaging anybody when the regular season was in progress !
SPUDNUT, thanks for your two cents, i'm pretty sure 90% of varsity teams scrimmage during the regular season,
by the way, I don't believe Holy Angels has a peewee team, but agian thank you.
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 12:39 am
by King of the Pond
dynamicD wrote:1st Rd.
Centennial over WB 5-3
AHA over STA 3-2
Hill over Tonka 4-2
Edina over Moorhead 5-1
2nd Rd.
Cent over AHA 3-1
Hill over Edina 4-3
Champ.
Gold-Hill over Cent 3-2
Silver-Duluth East (easily)
Bronze-Maple Grove
Probably in my opinion the most accurate prediction yet.
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 1:36 am
by HShockeywatcher
Not sure the reason for sure, but I would speculate the different conferences for East has something to do with school size.
You guys make it seem so easy to switch conferences for one sport. If it's so easy, why don't more teams do it? Until just now most people were making the point "you have to be in the same conference in all sports" whenever anyone brought up aha and no one acted the wiser but all of a sudden the point that you can be in multiple conferences is brought up?
LaCrosse is a dumb example as it is not a sport at all schools. It's basically like how the WCHA was created, I'm guessing. Schools with the sport make a conference. Similar to why East is in different sports for a couple different sports, probably just because of school size and class relative to those schools. But Cretin couldn't suddenly ask to be in the Lake for football next year I don't think...
Scrimmages mean nothing. Anyone know why they even keep score?
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 9:09 am
by Zamman
They keep score so that people who comment on teams, like this board, can say that their team is better than someone else. In the real world, scrimmages is a "game like" controlled practice. You get the "game" feel without affecting how your team is placed. You get to see how your team will react in a "game" situation.
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 9:46 am
by HShockeywatcher
Right. I know the point of a scrimmage. You also get to practice and work on the same stuff you normally do against new people. I understand the concept. I've never been to one for hockey, but from ones I've seen from other sports and heard about hockey, it's not just three 17 minute periods of hockey, it's x minutes of PP drills, x minutes of PK drills, etc, etc. Keeping score doesn't make sense at all. I doubt the coach of teams thinks "we're going to keep score today because I think we're going to win, and if we do people around our team can go on ushsho.com forums and brag about us." I could be wrong, but I doubt it. So that isn't really why they keep score.
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 11:29 am
by karl(east)
HShockeywatcher wrote:Not sure the reason for sure, but I would speculate the different conferences for East has something to do with school size.
You guys make it seem so easy to switch conferences for one sport. If it's so easy, why don't more teams do it? Until just now most people were making the point "you have to be in the same conference in all sports" whenever anyone brought up aha and no one acted the wiser but all of a sudden the point that you can be in multiple conferences is brought up?
LaCrosse is a dumb example as it is not a sport at all schools. It's basically like how the WCHA was created, I'm guessing. Schools with the sport make a conference. Similar to why East is in different sports for a couple different sports, probably just because of school size and class relative to those schools. But Cretin couldn't suddenly ask to be in the Lake for football next year I don't think...
As for why East has left conferences...basketball definitely may have been a size issue. They're the only school in the northeastern section of the state in AAAA, though they've been up and down between AAA (which is where natural rivals such as Cloquet and the other Duluth schools are) and AAAA a bit.
Hockey, however, has nothing to do with size (East is an opt-up to AA). East was in the LSC until the late 90s. At this point, they'd been dominating it so completely that they decided to leave and become an independent to play a harder schedule. If they were going through that run of dominance today, things might be different; back then, Marshall and Hermantown weren't what they are today, and the conference was weaker. But it is what it is, and I'd assume it's much easier to leave a conference than join one.
Without the LSC, East may lose matchups with Hermantown and Marshall, but they also lose Proctor, Ashland, and second meetings with the other Duluth publics...four games that would not be remotely interesting. Randolph obviously feels the teams they gain from conference independence are worth the sacrifice.
It'll be interesting to see if East's recent run of football dominance continues, and if they stay in the NCC or not.
I'd agree with your assessment of lacrosse, though. There are 40-some schools that actually play the sport, so obviously they'll need to get a bit more creative with their conferences.
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 9:15 pm
by rhcpqotsarbf
King of the Pond wrote:rhcpqotsarbf wrote:anyone who says centennial will beat aha is dead wrong...
aha just dominated centennial 7-1 in a scrimmage on tuesday...
they also tied hill.
Ok good job just wait until they play a real game and not a SCRIMMAGE that is if you can even get past St Thomas. Im guessing Centennials backup let in most of those goals because the coach will usually split them in scrimmages and Centennial tied hill too. The backup is the JV goalie by the way because Centennial only has 3 goalies on their roster. I hope they blow out you cocky cake eaters.
yeah because you were there, right? watching them play? so your knowledge of these teams isn't just based off what you see written on this very message board.
actually 4 of the goals were with the starting goalie, and regardless of the goalie situation, it was obvious that aha had the upper hand.
in regards to your "cocky cake eaters" comment, most of the kids that go to aha are on financial aid and have to do service to make up for it...not to mention holy angels has one of the lowest tuitions among private schools in the metro.
Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 12:07 am
by King of the Pond
rhcpqotsarbf wrote:King of the Pond wrote:rhcpqotsarbf wrote:anyone who says centennial will beat aha is dead wrong...
aha just dominated centennial 7-1 in a scrimmage on tuesday...
they also tied hill.
Ok good job just wait until they play a real game and not a SCRIMMAGE that is if you can even get past St Thomas. Im guessing Centennials backup let in most of those goals because the coach will usually split them in scrimmages and Centennial tied hill too. The backup is the JV goalie by the way because Centennial only has 3 goalies on their roster. I hope they blow out you cocky cake eaters.
yeah because you were there, right? watching them play? so your knowledge of these teams isn't just based off what you see written on this very message board.
actually 4 of the goals were with the starting goalie, and regardless of the goalie situation, it was obvious that aha had the upper hand.
in regards to your "cocky cake eaters" comment, most of the kids that go to aha are on financial aid and have to do service to make up for it...not to mention holy angels has one of the lowest tuitions among private schools in the metro.
Oh so is it 9,000 a year instead of 10,000 i mean is that really worth it. Why not save for college? What is it about private schools that makes their education so much better? I mean i always hear people say they are getting a "better" education but nobody actually says what makes it so much better.
Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 2:58 pm
by gophermadman
dynamicD wrote:1st Rd.
Centennial over WB 5-3
AHA over STA 3-2
Hill over Tonka 4-2
Edina over Moorhead 5-1
2nd Rd.
Cent over AHA 3-1
Hill over Edina 4-3
Champ.
Gold-Hill over Cent 3-2
Silver-Duluth East (easily)
Bronze-Maple Grove
I agree with your bronze and silver predictions, those look pretty sound
heres my Gold:
1st
Cenn over WBL 7-2
STA over AHA 5-4
Hill over Tonka 3-2
Edina over Morehead 4-3
semis
Cenn over STA 6-4
Edina over Hill 5-2
Final
Edina over Cenn 5-4
Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:17 pm
by EHSHack
We have been told that the North Country Conference is going to be disbanded this year.
But East is an independent in baseball and baseball at least, and maybe basketball.
Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 6:42 pm
by deacon
King of the Pond wrote:rhcpqotsarbf wrote:King of the Pond wrote:
Ok good job just wait until they play a real game and not a SCRIMMAGE that is if you can even get past St Thomas. Im guessing Centennials backup let in most of those goals because the coach will usually split them in scrimmages and Centennial tied hill too. The backup is the JV goalie by the way because Centennial only has 3 goalies on their roster. I hope they blow out you cocky cake eaters.
yeah because you were there, right? watching them play? so your knowledge of these teams isn't just based off what you see written on this very message board.
actually 4 of the goals were with the starting goalie, and regardless of the goalie situation, it was obvious that aha had the upper hand.
in regards to your "cocky cake eaters" comment, most of the kids that go to aha are on financial aid and have to do service to make up for it...not to mention holy angels has one of the lowest tuitions among private schools in the metro.
Oh so is it 9,000 a year instead of 10,000 i mean is that really worth it. Why not save for college? What is it about private schools that makes their education so much better? I mean i always hear people say they are getting a "better" education but nobody actually says what makes it so much better.
The curriculum is tougher. More time is required in each class and the workload is heavier. The class sizes are smaller offering a more 1-on-1 atmosphere with the instructor which helps speed up the learning curve. There are other things aside from academics that make private schools, in my opinion, better. Some are life lessons, time management, college and life preparation to name a few. This doesn't mean, however, that public school don't offer a valuable education.
*** I didn't mean to hijack the thread, just offering my opinions to the question asked.
Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 8:09 pm
by miss my toe kick
Going off-topic for a moment, bear with me please.
"in regards to your "cocky cake eaters" comment, most of the kids that go to aha are on financial aid and have to do service to make up for it...not to mention holy angels has one of the lowest tuitions among private schools in the metro."
2009 tuition:
Cretin 9300 (44% on financial aid)
HM 9650
BSM 10600 (20% on financial aid)
AHA $10850 (30% on financial aid)
STA 15,225
Blake 20,800
Breck 19,240
Now back to the topic - I'm pulling for Moorhead but I think it will be HM.
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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 9:45 pm
by HShockeywatcher
Not sure if anyone else is amused but a thread entitled "Schwan's Cup" has turned into a "let's discuss private schools" thread. Seems odd this is ever even allowed in the hockey forum and not moved to the cafe.
On the topic (to keep it about hockey), my analogy of the different types of education would be to contrast it to the different types of hockey programs available out there, NDTP, high school, juniors, etc. None is the best overall, although certain are better for individuals.
Not sure about anyone else, but I'm looking forward to tomorrow. I'll be there around noon to watch the WBL/Cent game.
I have a broad question for everyone out there; why doesn't the Schwan's Cup, especially the day of all the finals at the X draw the crowd that the state tournament or regular season games draw?
-I remember attending the Silver Final last year between St Thomas and Benilde and it seemed like the JV and the teams' families were there, not much more. Looking back two years ago the game between St Thomas and Edina barely had enough fans to fill a quarter of the stands at Aldrich.
I've been to a handful of AA state games, not even a finals game and they are full to capacity even when teams like HM and GR play (for example) where even if everyone from the schools playing attended it would barely fill the lower level.
The Gold Cup is 8 high quality teams every year, whereas at state a few teams usually slip in so there are only 5 or 6 top teams. You have to get to state games way early to find parking and a seat and they aren't cheap for AA games. You can arrive on time, pick anywhere in the arena to sit and games are only $12.
Just seems odd to me, maybe I'm missing something...
Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 9:53 pm
by east hockey
HShockeywatcher wrote:Not sure if anyone else is amused but a thread entitled "Schwan's Cup" has turned into a "let's discuss private schools" thread.
Started, of course, by a private school fan.
HShockeywatcher wrote:
I have a broad question for everyone out there; why doesn't the Schwan's Cup, especially the day of all the finals at the X draw the crowd that the state tournament or regular season games draw?
Kidding, right? Maybe it has something to do with one tournament results in a
State Champion, one only results in a mid-season tournament champion.
HShockeywatcher wrote:
The Gold Cup is 8 high quality teams every year, whereas at state a few teams usually slip in so there are only 5 or 6 top teams. You have to get to state games way early to find parking and a seat and they aren't cheap for AA games. You can arrive on time, pick anywhere in the arena to sit and games are only $12.
Just seems odd to me, maybe I'm missing something...
See my last comment. Yes, you're missing something if you actually wonder about this.
Lee
Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 9:59 pm
by blanco oso
east hockey wrote:HShockeywatcher wrote:Not sure if anyone else is amused but a thread entitled "Schwan's Cup" has turned into a "let's discuss private schools" thread.
Started, of course, by a private school fan.
HShockeywatcher wrote:
I have a broad question for everyone out there; why doesn't the Schwan's Cup, especially the day of all the finals at the X draw the crowd that the state tournament or regular season games draw?
Kidding, right? Maybe it has something to do with one tournament results in a
State Champion, one only results in a mid-season tournament champion.
HShockeywatcher wrote:
The Gold Cup is 8 high quality teams every year, whereas at state a few teams usually slip in so there are only 5 or 6 top teams. You have to get to state games way early to find parking and a seat and they aren't cheap for AA games. You can arrive on time, pick anywhere in the arena to sit and games are only $12.
Just seems odd to me, maybe I'm missing something...
See my last comment. Yes, you're missing something if you actually wonder about this.
Lee
ahahahahahhahah "Lee" just owned you...and is totally right