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dherman8 wrote:Deacon- You're ridiculous. Did you even watch any high school hockey the past two years? Year after year LF gets ragged on for having an easy schedule and finally last year most of the people here have given them credit for not being a pretender anymore for their great performance. To say that LF isn't a definite top four team is just plain stupid.

HShockeywatcher- Roseau was a horrible argument first off. Unlike STA, Roseau is actually made up of men. Roseau has as many men in their town as STA has boys in their school, but thats a totally different argument so i digress. Stop making love to strength of schedule. This is America! When did losing (no matter to whom) ever become more respectable than winning? This is class A. STA is 6-1-1 and LF is 12-0 in class A. (I think I did that right but i'm sure right after you look at this you'll go look at the schedule and check my math and rip me if I didn't because you have nothing better to do) LF has played enough quality teams and beat them. They don't have the blemish like a loss to DM on their schedule.

But, in the end I don't know why i'm arguing this now because none of these rankings matter. It's still January, who cares until March when it matters? Some of these teams won't even make state anyway.

Lastly, I have some topics for discussion for some of you to think of. Some of you are talking about LF having a hard time making state this year. What about STA? You wanna crown them when they are going to have to most likely play a team like South St. Paul for their section title? They tied them boys and girls. Plus, STA could have a section semifinal match against a team like Totino Grace, who is no slouch. LF will most likely play Alexandria for the section title. Don't crown anyone until things are over. Both of these teams in this number one discussion could be sitting on the sidelines when the state tournament comes. Also, I finally looked at these rankings closer and some of these teams' schedules.

P.S. What is Mahtomedi's argument for being a top ten team? Seems to me their only solid win is Breck. I'm not impressed with the rest of their schedule. Can anyone persuade me on them? And, can anyone tell me this how many out of conference/section games LF can schedule? Looks to me like 95% of their games are conference/section games that they have to play but I could be wrong. I see that they have played St. Cloud Cathedral and Virginia, who aren't part of their conference schedule. Both teams look pretty good this year. Anybody want to clarify these points for me?

SB24 wrote:if we just want to go by the stats and strength of schedule. then just go to ps2 and this is done.

1. St. Thomas Academy
2. Warroad
3. Breck
4. Little Falls
5. Hermantown
6. St. Cloud Cathedral
7. Alexandria
8. Duluth Marshall
9. Thief River Falls
10. South St. Paul
11. Mahtomedi
12. Rochester Lourdes
13. Red Wing
14. Hibbing
15. Virginia

Minnesota Class A

RANK  TEAM                               W  L  T   >4   GmPerf Sched  Total  Last5 Cls/Sct
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  1,Hermantown,MN,______________________ 15  1  0,  2   2.7,  11.2,  13.87, 13.09 , A,5
  2,Warroad,MN,_________________________ 15  2  0,  3   2.4,  11.4,  13.85, 14.23 , A,8
  3,St Thomas Academy,MN,_______________ 13  3  1,  2   1.6,  12.2,  13.83, 13.48 , A,4
  4,Little Falls,MN,____________________ 14  0  0,  3   2.5,  10.9,  13.34, 13.48 , A,6
  5,Breck,MN,___________________________ 12  3  1,  4   1.5,  11.6,  13.06, 13.41 , A,2
  6,St Cloud Cathedral,MN,______________ 14  2  1,  3   2.0,  11.0,  12.98, 13.88 , A,5
  7,Alexandria,MN,______________________ 12  3  0,  3   1.8,  10.8,  12.66, 12.86 , A,6
  8,Thief River Falls,MN,_______________ 10  4  1,  2   1.2,  11.2,  12.34, 12.56 , A,8
  9,Rochester Lourdes,MN,_______________ 10  5  0,  3   1.2,  10.8,  12.00, 10.37 , A,1
 10,Mahtomedi,MN,_______________________ 12  4  1,  2   1.0,  10.9,  11.93, 11.22 , A,4
 11,Virginia,MN,________________________ 13  5  0,  3   1.2,  10.7,  11.90, 12.25 , A,7
 12,South St Paul,MN,___________________ 10  3  3,  1   1.3,  10.4,  11.78, 12.17 , A,4
 13,Duluth Marshall,MN,_________________  9  6  0,  2   0.2,  11.5,  11.69, 12.07 , A,7
 14,Hibbing,MN,_________________________ 12  5  1,  1   0.7,  10.9,  11.60, 10.24 , A,7
 15,Red Wing,MN,________________________ 10  6  0,  1   0.6,  10.8,  11.36, 11.51 , A,1

dherman8 wrote:Deacon- You're ridiculous. Did you even watch any high school hockey the past two years? Year after year LF gets ragged on for having an easy schedule and finally last year most of the people here have given them credit for not being a pretender anymore for their great performance. To say that LF isn't a definite top four team is just plain stupid.

power92 wrote:

HShockeywatcher wrote:defense,

The first half of your first post supports St Thomas then you go against it. Makes little sense.

History? Tell me how many wins St Thomas had the year before they built an ice arena and try again.

No one is saying getting to state isn't a commendable thing. I'm simply saying that getting to state doesn't suddenly put you ahead of a team who's done well at state. There's a reason 1AA teams are never ranked.

Dude, do you ever stop. You would think after 3 years of arguing about the same thing, you would get sick of it. Defense, hshockeyfan08, all I can say is the best thing to do is ignore this clown. If you look at this thread you can figure out why has over 3000 post in 3 years. We like to call her HSCircletalker or my personal fav. HShockeycrotcher. Good luck.

Crotcher explanation to follow...

PuckRanger wrote:

SB24 wrote:if we just want to go by the stats and strength of schedule. then just go to ps2 and this is done.

1. St. Thomas Academy
2. Warroad
3. Breck
4. Little Falls
5. Hermantown
6. St. Cloud Cathedral
7. Alexandria
8. Duluth Marshall
9. Thief River Falls
10. South St. Paul
11. Mahtomedi
12. Rochester Lourdes
13. Red Wing
14. Hibbing
15. Virginia

OR you could go to the USHSHO rankings:

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Minnesota Class A

RANK  TEAM                               W  L  T   >4   GmPerf Sched  Total  Last5 Cls/Sct
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  1,Hermantown,MN,______________________ 15  1  0,  2   2.7,  11.2,  13.87, 13.09 , A,5
  2,Warroad,MN,_________________________ 15  2  0,  3   2.4,  11.4,  13.85, 14.23 , A,8
  3,St Thomas Academy,MN,_______________ 13  3  1,  2   1.6,  12.2,  13.83, 13.48 , A,4
  4,Little Falls,MN,____________________ 14  0  0,  3   2.5,  10.9,  13.34, 13.48 , A,6
  5,Breck,MN,___________________________ 12  3  1,  4   1.5,  11.6,  13.06, 13.41 , A,2
  6,St Cloud Cathedral,MN,______________ 14  2  1,  3   2.0,  11.0,  12.98, 13.88 , A,5
  7,Alexandria,MN,______________________ 12  3  0,  3   1.8,  10.8,  12.66, 12.86 , A,6
  8,Thief River Falls,MN,_______________ 10  4  1,  2   1.2,  11.2,  12.34, 12.56 , A,8
  9,Rochester Lourdes,MN,_______________ 10  5  0,  3   1.2,  10.8,  12.00, 10.37 , A,1
 10,Mahtomedi,MN,_______________________ 12  4  1,  2   1.0,  10.9,  11.93, 11.22 , A,4
 11,Virginia,MN,________________________ 13  5  0,  3   1.2,  10.7,  11.90, 12.25 , A,7
 12,South St Paul,MN,___________________ 10  3  3,  1   1.3,  10.4,  11.78, 12.17 , A,4
 13,Duluth Marshall,MN,_________________  9  6  0,  2   0.2,  11.5,  11.69, 12.07 , A,7
 14,Hibbing,MN,_________________________ 12  5  1,  1   0.7,  10.9,  11.60, 10.24 , A,7
 15,Red Wing,MN,________________________ 10  6  0,  1   0.6,  10.8,  11.36, 11.51 , A,1

HShockeywatcher wrote:defense,
what I am talking about is you questioning all the things people supporting Little Falls are saying we cannot use, implying they are silly for saying we cannot use those things, then turning around and saying Little Falls is a quality team.

hshckfan08,
I do understand exactly where you're coming from. You want to put St Thomas down for whatever reason because you don't like them. and You hide behind like nit picky points like me saying "dominated" and when you said "handled." Once someone has all their quotes in one place you have nothing. You are trying to go against what is done at every level of play aside from the professional level.

power,
you must have not read any of my posts. This has to do with Little Falls, not St Thomas. But good luck to Red Wing, it would be nice to see them at the X.

dherman8,
Can't answer that, I don't know much about history, but it has been ever since I've been around and known anything about sports. I don't agree with the statement, but most of the state seems to think AA are the "big boys" and A are the "little boys."

Who would you be more scared to box; the lightweight boxer who is undefeated with only wins over mediocre lightweight boxers or the lightweight boxer who has done well against good light weight boxers and has lost a few close ones to heavy weight boxers?
I don't box, so if you don't either, I can come up with another analogy for ya if ya need it

I have yet to crown anyone. I will be the first to admit that Alex and SSP could easily be representing 6A and 4A at state. I don't think it will happen, but it is very possible. I don't agree TG will be a contender, but we can agree to disagree there.

You're right, I'm not impressed with many schedules beyond being undefeated and St Thomas. Breck is an example, though, of a team who can't do much about it. Maybe ask to play one conference game counting double, but that's their choice. Little Falls, you are right, doesn't have much filler room on their schedule. Neither does Braham in basketball, but in the years they were good, they filled their 4 available spots with AAAA teams. Which is my whole point about Little Falls. I have never tried to take anything away from them; it would be great for their program if they could do well at state, I simply don't think they have proven enough with their GA and the opponents they have faced to be where they are.

Also, reference deacon's post. What he's saying is what I've been saying all along. If they rankings were 1 Warroad, 2 Little Falls, 3 St Thomas I would have little to complain about. I wouldn't agree but I wouldn't discuss like this; my issue is, and always has been, LF at #1.

Not to knock them, but it's tough to make a great accomplishment in the consolation bracket. Their unfortunate draws is another reason we don't know how good they truly were. They could've been the #2 team in state last year, I will admit that, but based on what they've done, they haven't proven it. It's not about what could be, it's about what is and has happened.

HShockeywatcher wrote:defense,
what I am talking about is you questioning all the things people supporting Little Falls are saying we cannot use, implying they are silly for saying we cannot use those things, then turning around and saying Little Falls is a quality team.

hshckfan08,
I do understand exactly where you're coming from. You want to put St Thomas down for whatever reason because you don't like them. and You hide behind like nit picky points like me saying "dominated" and when you said "handled." Once someone has all their quotes in one place you have nothing. You are trying to go against what is done at every level of play aside from the professional level.

power,
you must have not read any of my posts. This has to do with Little Falls, not St Thomas. But good luck to Red Wing, it would be nice to see them at the X.

dherman8,
Can't answer that, I don't know much about history, but it has been ever since I've been around and known anything about sports. I don't agree with the statement, but most of the state seems to think AA are the "big boys" and A are the "little boys."

Who would you be more scared to box; the lightweight boxer who is undefeated with only wins over mediocre lightweight boxers or the lightweight boxer who has done well against good light weight boxers and has lost a few close ones to heavy weight boxers?
I don't box, so if you don't either, I can come up with another analogy for ya if ya need it

I have yet to crown anyone. I will be the first to admit that Alex and SSP could easily be representing 6A and 4A at state. I don't think it will happen, but it is very possible. I don't agree TG will be a contender, but we can agree to disagree there.

You're right, I'm not impressed with many schedules beyond being undefeated and St Thomas. Breck is an example, though, of a team who can't do much about it. Maybe ask to play one conference game counting double, but that's their choice. Little Falls, you are right, doesn't have much filler room on their schedule. Neither does Braham in basketball, but in the years they were good, they filled their 4 available spots with AAAA teams. Which is my whole point about Little Falls. I have never tried to take anything away from them; it would be great for their program if they could do well at state, I simply don't think they have proven enough with their GA and the opponents they have faced to be where they are.

Also, reference deacon's post. What he's saying is what I've been saying all along. If they rankings were 1 Warroad, 2 Little Falls, 3 St Thomas I would have little to complain about. I wouldn't agree but I wouldn't discuss like this; my issue is, and always has been, LF at #1.

Not to knock them, but it's tough to make a great accomplishment in the consolation bracket. Their unfortunate draws is another reason we don't know how good they truly were. They could've been the #2 team in state last year, I will admit that, but based on what they've done, they haven't proven it. It's not about what could be, it's about what is and has happened.

HShockeywatcher wrote:defense,
what I am talking about is you questioning all the things people supporting Little Falls are saying we cannot use, implying they are silly for saying we cannot use those things, then turning around and saying Little Falls is a quality team.

hshckfan08,
I do understand exactly where you're coming from. You want to put St Thomas down for whatever reason because you don't like them. and You hide behind like nit picky points like me saying "dominated" and when you said "handled." Once someone has all their quotes in one place you have nothing. You are trying to go against what is done at every level of play aside from the professional level.

power,
you must have not read any of my posts. This has to do with Little Falls, not St Thomas. But good luck to Red Wing, it would be nice to see them at the X.

dherman8,
Can't answer that, I don't know much about history, but it has been ever since I've been around and known anything about sports. I don't agree with the statement, but most of the state seems to think AA are the "big boys" and A are the "little boys."

Who would you be more scared to box; the lightweight boxer who is undefeated with only wins over mediocre lightweight boxers or the lightweight boxer who has done well against good light weight boxers and has lost a few close ones to heavy weight boxers?
I don't box, so if you don't either, I can come up with another analogy for ya if ya need it

I have yet to crown anyone. I will be the first to admit that Alex and SSP could easily be representing 6A and 4A at state. I don't think it will happen, but it is very possible. I don't agree TG will be a contender, but we can agree to disagree there.

You're right, I'm not impressed with many schedules beyond being undefeated and St Thomas. Breck is an example, though, of a team who can't do much about it. Maybe ask to play one conference game counting double, but that's their choice. Little Falls, you are right, doesn't have much filler room on their schedule. Neither does Braham in basketball, but in the years they were good, they filled their 4 available spots with AAAA teams. Which is my whole point about Little Falls. I have never tried to take anything away from them; it would be great for their program if they could do well at state, I simply don't think they have proven enough with their GA and the opponents they have faced to be where they are.

Also, reference deacon's post. What he's saying is what I've been saying all along. If they rankings were 1 Warroad, 2 Little Falls, 3 St Thomas I would have little to complain about. I wouldn't agree but I wouldn't discuss like this; my issue is, and always has been, LF at #1.

Not to knock them, but it's tough to make a great accomplishment in the consolation bracket. Their unfortunate draws is another reason we don't know how good they truly were. They could've been the #2 team in state last year, I will admit that, but based on what they've done, they haven't proven it. It's not about what could be, it's about what is and has happened.

deacon wrote:

dherman8 wrote:Deacon- You're ridiculous. Did you even watch any high school hockey the past two years? Year after year LF gets ragged on for having an easy schedule and finally last year most of the people here have given them credit for not being a pretender anymore for their great performance. To say that LF isn't a definite top four team is just plain stupid.

I never said they weren't a top 4 team, all I said was that I don't think they are the top team right now nor are they the best team in class A. Quit putting words in my mouth.

This thread is about the rankings of class A. Currently, LF is ranked #1. I don't agree with that. I'm not saying that LF isn't a good team because they are clearly a good team, I just don't think they are the best team in class A like rankings indicate. How hard is that to understand? Good for LF for not being a "pretender" anymore. Yay! I couldn't care less to be honest.

edit: What was their great performance that you are referring to? The regular season (this is a serious question, by the way)?

edit 2: I also agree that these 2 teams might not even make the state tournament, but I also think that it is unlikely and it would be a shame if they didn't.

TheBlizzard wrote:Mahtomedi beat Totino-Grace and Red Wing back to back; I would consider those quality wins, 1 by your own admission. But I think Mahtomedi might be somewhat overated anyway, they have a place somewhere in the rankings though.

MNHockey75 wrote:Warroad can't be number 1. They lost to St. Cloud Cathedral, who lost Little Falls (who's undefeated). They also lost to Moorhead, who STA beat. How about number 4? I'd put Warroad ahead of Hermantown because a loss to Moorhead is better than a loss to IFalls (Since both Htown and Warroad lost to SCC). STA gets the edge over LF because they play a much tougher schedule and have faired very well. They will probably stay #1 if they win out, but if they don't and LF stays undefeated, then they could swap. One thing I'd like to note...don't under-estimate SCC. They do play down to their competition at times, but they have allowed 3 or more goals only 5 times this year (2-2-1). They've allowed only 2 goals in the last seven games. They've improved since last year, and if Schmidt comes back for another run, they should be even better next year. I think the A tourney could be a good one if the top teams can buckle down in sections.

1. St. Thomas Academy
2. Little Falls
3. St. Cloud Cathedral
4. Warroad
5. Hermantown

Mite-dad wrote:

MNHockey75 wrote:Warroad can't be number 1. They lost to St. Cloud Cathedral, who lost Little Falls (who's undefeated). They also lost to Moorhead, who STA beat. How about number 4? I'd put Warroad ahead of Hermantown because a loss to Moorhead is better than a loss to IFalls (Since both Htown and Warroad lost to SCC). STA gets the edge over LF because they play a much tougher schedule and have faired very well. They will probably stay #1 if they win out, but if they don't and LF stays undefeated, then they could swap. One thing I'd like to note...don't under-estimate SCC. They do play down to their competition at times, but they have allowed 3 or more goals only 5 times this year (2-2-1). They've allowed only 2 goals in the last seven games. They've improved since last year, and if Schmidt comes back for another run, they should be even better next year. I think the A tourney could be a good one if the top teams can buckle down in sections.

1. St. Thomas Academy
2. Little Falls
3. St. Cloud Cathedral
4. Warroad
5. Hermantown

Totally reasonable. This coming from a Flyers fan.

Goldy23 wrote:

Mite-dad wrote:

MNHockey75 wrote:Warroad can't be number 1. They lost to St. Cloud Cathedral, who lost Little Falls (who's undefeated). They also lost to Moorhead, who STA beat. How about number 4? I'd put Warroad ahead of Hermantown because a loss to Moorhead is better than a loss to IFalls (Since both Htown and Warroad lost to SCC). STA gets the edge over LF because they play a much tougher schedule and have faired very well. They will probably stay #1 if they win out, but if they don't and LF stays undefeated, then they could swap. One thing I'd like to note...don't under-estimate SCC. They do play down to their competition at times, but they have allowed 3 or more goals only 5 times this year (2-2-1). They've allowed only 2 goals in the last seven games. They've improved since last year, and if Schmidt comes back for another run, they should be even better next year. I think the A tourney could be a good one if the top teams can buckle down in sections.

1. St. Thomas Academy
2. Little Falls
3. St. Cloud Cathedral
4. Warroad
5. Hermantown

Totally reasonable. This coming from a Flyers fan.

1. STA
2. Breck
3-7......the rest of the unproven up north teams
8. Mahtomedi
9.SSP
10. Lourdes