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Re: 1parent
Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:16 am
by sicknasty7722
Romain wrote:Yes the people of W.B. are trying to oust the coach. He has no respect from his players, past and present. As for Senior leadership, Sam Swanson is it-but when Sam asks the coach for harder practices and gets totally shot down by the coach it's hard to have team continuity. If the Bears win it will by their own desire, and will not have anything to do with coaching. I heard they are for the most part ignoring what the coaches tell them to do anyway. That's when they win. I think this could be a very close game.
WBL-2
MV-1
In overtime
Check out point streak --- Lowell and Slator both have him by several points...so much for Swanson being the ONLY senior leader when he's not even leading his line...
Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:24 am
by sicknasty7722
MedleyWR wrote:
I agree, it was a very well played and well coached game between 2 very good teams. The refs kept their whistles in their pockets and overlooked an obvious checking-from-behind penalty and a few hooks and trips. To call a holding penalty with 2 minutes left in OT, after letting everything else go, was hard to justify. In this case, the refs had too much influence in deciding the outcome. Having said that, it was a penalty, although not a very flagrant one. I have been a staunch supporter of the White Bear coaches, but their decision to skate only four D is puzzling. They had three D sitting on the bench who saw no ice time (2 of them were pulled up from JV, but the third was a varsity player who had significant ice time in almost every WBL game and has a +/- of +12). At the end of the game, the 4 D looked gassed. In my opinion, this fatigue contributed to the holding penalty, which cost the Bears the game.
I'm assuming you're talking about Ben Clarke, and I think perhaps you may be high. Notice that the Bears run four D in big games, Clarke only gets a good amount of time in games that don't matter. His first shift vs Roseville in Roseville he got dangled and didn't see much ice the rest of the game. He'll have to get used to the bench because the Bears will run four D through playoffs as well, and hopefully they will start running two lines more often. If the Bears want to push a successful playoff run they NEED to start running two lines late in the games.
Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:14 am
by mvhockey12
It would be amazing to see MV beat White Bear, but WB is playing so good right now, it seems like a long shot. I still stand by my Stangs though, 3-2.
Good D and a few capitalized opportunities is all it takes, with a couple lucky bounces.
Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:45 am
by chiefofmedicine
WBLHockeyfan04 wrote:Are you all insane!? Did you not see the last game between these two teams? It wasn't even close! Yes, WBL only beat them by a goal earlier on, but WBL is playing much better since then. It's almost night and day. There really is no argument you can make for why Moundsview is going to win this game. Do they have more talent? No. Are they better coached? No. Are they known for pulling off big upsets? No. Does WBL have a tendency to choke in the quarterfinals? No. Am I missing something? I know everyone loves the underdog, but please be logical and not try to overlook this. WBL will win this game, period!
I hope White Bear loses just so you feel like an idiot, plus i think they are extremely overrated and get far too much attention for being mediocre.
i know their schedule is tough but if they are so good every year shouldnt they be better than 13-10-2.... just a thought
Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 12:32 pm
by MedleyWR
sicknasty7722 wrote:MedleyWR wrote:
I agree, it was a very well played and well coached game between 2 very good teams. The refs kept their whistles in their pockets and overlooked an obvious checking-from-behind penalty and a few hooks and trips. To call a holding penalty with 2 minutes left in OT, after letting everything else go, was hard to justify. In this case, the refs had too much influence in deciding the outcome. Having said that, it was a penalty, although not a very flagrant one. I have been a staunch supporter of the White Bear coaches, but their decision to skate only four D is puzzling. They had three D sitting on the bench who saw no ice time (2 of them were pulled up from JV, but the third was a varsity player who had significant ice time in almost every WBL game and has a +/- of +12). At the end of the game, the 4 D looked gassed. In my opinion, this fatigue contributed to the holding penalty, which cost the Bears the game.
I'm assuming you're talking about Ben Clarke, and
I think perhaps you may be high. Notice that the Bears run four D in big games, Clarke only gets a good amount of time in games that don't matter. His first shift vs Roseville in Roseville he got dangled and didn't see much ice the rest of the game. He'll have to get used to the bench because the Bears will run four D through playoffs as well, and hopefully they will start running two lines more often. If the Bears want to push a successful playoff run they NEED to start running two lines late in the games.
The Bears have skated 2 lines of D in ONLY 1 game all year - Woodbury. The pairings have varied, depending on who was out (Hoffman, Dolfay, Gjerde). Now that Dolfay is back, the Bears have 3 complete lines of D, which would help give the first two lines some rest. And, Sicknasty, as far as your comment about being high, save that crap for your juvenile friends. It's stupid, immature, and reflects rather poorly on you.
Re: 1parent
Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 3:47 pm
by wbhockey02
sicknasty7722 wrote:Romain wrote:Yes the people of W.B. are trying to oust the coach. He has no respect from his players, past and present. As for Senior leadership, Sam Swanson is it-but when Sam asks the coach for harder practices and gets totally shot down by the coach it's hard to have team continuity. If the Bears win it will by their own desire, and will not have anything to do with coaching. I heard they are for the most part ignoring what the coaches tell them to do anyway. That's when they win. I think this could be a very close game.
WBL-2
MV-1
In overtime
Check out point streak --- Lowell and Slator both have him by several points...so much for Swanson being the ONLY senior leader when he's not even leading his line...
what does that have to do with leadership?
you don't have to have the most points to be considered a leader
Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 4:20 pm
by buzzershot
Sicknasty you are very immature in your thinking if you think being the leading point getter on the team makes you a leader of people. Also WBL's strength has always been three strong lines playing in games not two. Proof is the Woodbury game. The coach going with two lines as long as he did lost that game for WBL it certainly did not win it for them.
Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 5:06 pm
by Minn State of Mind
MedleyWR wrote:sicknasty7722 wrote:MedleyWR wrote:
I agree, it was a very well played and well coached game between 2 very good teams. The refs kept their whistles in their pockets and overlooked an obvious checking-from-behind penalty and a few hooks and trips. To call a holding penalty with 2 minutes left in OT, after letting everything else go, was hard to justify. In this case, the refs had too much influence in deciding the outcome. Having said that, it was a penalty, although not a very flagrant one. I have been a staunch supporter of the White Bear coaches, but their decision to skate only four D is puzzling. They had three D sitting on the bench who saw no ice time (2 of them were pulled up from JV, but the third was a varsity player who had significant ice time in almost every WBL game and has a +/- of +12). At the end of the game, the 4 D looked gassed. In my opinion, this fatigue contributed to the holding penalty, which cost the Bears the game.
I'm assuming you're talking about Ben Clarke, and
I think perhaps you may be high. Notice that the Bears run four D in big games, Clarke only gets a good amount of time in games that don't matter. His first shift vs Roseville in Roseville he got dangled and didn't see much ice the rest of the game. He'll have to get used to the bench because the Bears will run four D through playoffs as well, and hopefully they will start running two lines more often. If the Bears want to push a successful playoff run they NEED to start running two lines late in the games.
The Bears have skated 2 lines of D in ONLY 1 game all year - Woodbury. The pairings have varied, depending on who was out (Hoffman, Dolfay, Gjerde). Now that Dolfay is back, the Bears have 3 complete lines of D, which would help give the first two lines some rest. And, Sicknasty, as far as your comment about being high, save that crap for your juvenile friends. It's stupid, immature, and reflects rather poorly on you.
It's just a sarcastic joke, I really don't think someone can be judged as immature simply because of a joke on the internet.
Sicknasty it looks like maybe Medley is a parent of one of these defensemen...Ben Clarke perhaps?
Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 5:25 pm
by MedleyWR
Minn State of Mind wrote:MedleyWR wrote:sicknasty7722 wrote:
I'm assuming you're talking about Ben Clarke, and I think perhaps you may be high. Notice that the Bears run four D in big games, Clarke only gets a good amount of time in games that don't matter. His first shift vs Roseville in Roseville he got dangled and didn't see much ice the rest of the game. He'll have to get used to the bench because the Bears will run four D through playoffs as well, and hopefully they will start running two lines more often. If the Bears want to push a successful playoff run they NEED to start running two lines late in the games.
The Bears have skated 2 lines of D in ONLY 1 game all year - Woodbury. The pairings have varied, depending on who was out (Hoffman, Dolfay, Gjerde). Now that Dolfay is back, the Bears have 3 complete lines of D, which would help give the first two lines some rest. And, Sicknasty, as far as your comment about being high, save that crap for your juvenile friends. It's stupid, immature, and reflects rather poorly on you.
It's just a sarcastic joke, I really don't think someone can be judged as immature simply because of a joke on the internet.
Jokes are normally funny. Nontheless, if sicknasty thinks the Bears routinely skate only 4 D, then he has missed the 24 games this year when they skated 5 or 6.
Re: 1parent
Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 5:58 pm
by mnhcky65
sicknasty7722 wrote:Romain wrote:Yes the people of W.B. are trying to oust the coach. He has no respect from his players, past and present. As for Senior leadership, Sam Swanson is it-but when Sam asks the coach for harder practices and gets totally shot down by the coach it's hard to have team continuity. If the Bears win it will by their own desire, and will not have anything to do with coaching. I heard they are for the most part ignoring what the coaches tell them to do anyway. That's when they win. I think this could be a very close game.
WBL-2
MV-1
In overtime
Check out point streak --- Lowell and Slator both have him by several points...so much for Swanson being the ONLY senior leader when he's not even leading his line...
Being the best player on the ice doesnt make you a leader. SAger and FSN both agreed Swanson was the best player on the ice for WB during the Woodbury game. Also, Lowell played with Birki and Wallin for a little while when Ryan Walter was urt, which gave Lowell many, many assists. And for Slator, he's got to get the goal scoring pass from somebody...
Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 6:47 pm
by wblhockeyfan8
White Bear 6 Moundsview 1
Re: 1parent
Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:08 pm
by Hockeyfan#8
mnhcky65 wrote:sicknasty7722 wrote:Romain wrote:Yes the people of W.B. are trying to oust the coach. He has no respect from his players, past and present. As for Senior leadership, Sam Swanson is it-but when Sam asks the coach for harder practices and gets totally shot down by the coach it's hard to have team continuity. If the Bears win it will by their own desire, and will not have anything to do with coaching. I heard they are for the most part ignoring what the coaches tell them to do anyway. That's when they win. I think this could be a very close game.
WBL-2
MV-1
In overtime
Check out point streak --- Lowell and Slator both have him by several points...so much for Swanson being the ONLY senior leader when he's not even leading his line...
Being the best player on the ice doesnt make you a leader. SAger and FSN both agreed Swanson was the best player on the ice for WB during the Woodbury game. Also, Lowell played with Birki and Wallin for a little while when Ryan Walter was urt,
which gave Lowell many, many assists. And for Slator, he's got to get the goal scoring pass from somebody...
Maybe lowell tells the ref that he got the second assist even if he didn't(easy way to get extra points).
Re: 1parent
Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:26 pm
by biscuit in the basket
Hockeyfan#8 wrote:mnhcky65 wrote:sicknasty7722 wrote:
Check out point streak --- Lowell and Slator both have him by several points...so much for Swanson being the ONLY senior leader when he's not even leading his line...
Being the best player on the ice doesnt make you a leader. SAger and FSN both agreed Swanson was the best player on the ice for WB during the Woodbury game. Also, Lowell played with Birki and Wallin for a little while when Ryan Walter was urt,
which gave Lowell many, many assists. And for Slator, he's got to get the goal scoring pass from somebody...
Maybe lowell tells the ref that he got the second assist even if he didn't(easy way to get extra points).
Lowell has been known to let the refs know that he did in fact get that 2nd assist
Re: 1parent
Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 9:36 pm
by mnhcky65
Hockeyfan#8 wrote:mnhcky65 wrote:sicknasty7722 wrote:
Check out point streak --- Lowell and Slator both have him by several points...so much for Swanson being the ONLY senior leader when he's not even leading his line...
Being the best player on the ice doesnt make you a leader. SAger and FSN both agreed Swanson was the best player on the ice for WB during the Woodbury game. Also, Lowell played with Birki and Wallin for a little while when Ryan Walter was urt,
which gave Lowell many, many assists. And for Slator, he's got to get the goal scoring pass from somebody...
Maybe lowell tells the ref that he got the second assist even if he didn't(easy way to get extra points).
Example: Woodbury Game, Putney has puck stolen from him in the offensive zone, Swanson chases the player that stole the puck from Putney, steals the puck, feeds it to Putney, Putney shoots and scores. Goal was announced Putney from Swanson and Lowell.
Re: 1parent
Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 9:54 pm
by Hockeyfan#8
mnhcky65 wrote:Hockeyfan#8 wrote:mnhcky65 wrote:
Being the best player on the ice doesnt make you a leader. SAger and FSN both agreed Swanson was the best player on the ice for WB during the Woodbury game. Also, Lowell played with Birki and Wallin for a little while when Ryan Walter was urt, which gave Lowell many, many assists. And for Slator, he's got to get the goal scoring pass from somebody...
Maybe lowell tells the ref that he got the second assist even if he didn't(easy way to get extra points).
Example: Woodbury Game, Putney has puck stolen from him in the offensive zone, Swanson chases the player that stole the puck from Putney, steals the puck, feeds it to Putney, Putney shoots and scores. Goal was announced Putney from Swanson and Lowell.
I noticed that exact same thing.
Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:23 pm
by Minn State of Mind
MedleyWR wrote:Minn State of Mind wrote:MedleyWR wrote:
The Bears have skated 2 lines of D in ONLY 1 game all year - Woodbury. The pairings have varied, depending on who was out (Hoffman, Dolfay, Gjerde). Now that Dolfay is back, the Bears have 3 complete lines of D, which would help give the first two lines some rest. And, Sicknasty, as far as your comment about being high, save that crap for your juvenile friends. It's stupid, immature, and reflects rather poorly on you.
It's just a sarcastic joke, I really don't think someone can be judged as immature simply because of a joke on the internet.
Jokes are normally funny. Nontheless, if sicknasty thinks the Bears routinely skate only 4 D, then he has missed the 24 games this year when they skated 5 or 6.
So which D man are you the father of?
Re: 1parent
Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:50 pm
by sicknasty7722
mnhcky65 wrote:sicknasty7722 wrote:Romain wrote:Yes the people of W.B. are trying to oust the coach. He has no respect from his players, past and present. As for Senior leadership, Sam Swanson is it-but when Sam asks the coach for harder practices and gets totally shot down by the coach it's hard to have team continuity. If the Bears win it will by their own desire, and will not have anything to do with coaching. I heard they are for the most part ignoring what the coaches tell them to do anyway. That's when they win. I think this could be a very close game.
WBL-2
MV-1
In overtime
Check out point streak --- Lowell and Slator both have him by several points...so much for Swanson being the ONLY senior leader when he's not even leading his line...
Being the best player on the ice doesnt make you a leader. SAger and FSN both agreed Swanson was the best player on the ice for WB during the Woodbury game. Also, Lowell played with Birki and Wallin for a little while when Ryan Walter was urt, which gave Lowell many, many assists. And for Slator, he's got to get the goal scoring pass from somebody...
Seniors have to be the best ones on the ice to lead the team, because a team only goes as far as the senior class pushes them. Seniors lead the way, because they have the experience. Examples?
Danny Mattson (C) - 71 pts
Anders Lee (C) - 66 pts
Nick Leddy (C) - 37 pts
Tyler Zepeda (C) - 36 pts
Ben Hanowski (C) - 110 pts
Marshall Everson (C) - 64 pts
Tyler Pitlick (C) - 58 pts
Dan Delisle (C) - 53 pts
....shall I continue with senior leaders?
Re: 1parent
Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:22 pm
by mnhcky65
sicknasty7722 wrote:mnhcky65 wrote:sicknasty7722 wrote:
Check out point streak --- Lowell and Slator both have him by several points...so much for Swanson being the ONLY senior leader when he's not even leading his line...
Being the best player on the ice doesnt make you a leader. SAger and FSN both agreed Swanson was the best player on the ice for WB during the Woodbury game. Also, Lowell played with Birki and Wallin for a little while when Ryan Walter was urt, which gave Lowell many, many assists. And for Slator, he's got to get the goal scoring pass from somebody...
Seniors have to be the best ones on the ice to lead the team, because a team only goes as far as the senior class pushes them. Seniors lead the way, because they have the experience. Examples?
Danny Mattson (C) - 71 pts
Anders Lee (C) - 66 pts
Nick Leddy (C) - 37 pts
Tyler Zepeda (C) - 36 pts
Ben Hanowski (C) - 110 pts
Marshall Everson (C) - 64 pts
Tyler Pitlick (C) - 58 pts
Dan Delisle (C) - 53 pts
....shall I continue with senior leaders?
These are all good examples. But if not Swanson and Hoffman who are the leaders
on this team? Swanson's linemates, phantom king and phantom queen?
Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 8:04 am
by sddave
reg dunlop wrote:Was it not MV who beat Bonin his senior year in the sections? Look out.
Yes that was in 1992. A few years over a decade ago. The bears out-shot MV about 100-2 and ran into a stonewall, horseshoe up his arse goalie. No, I am not over it.
Re: 1parent
Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 8:58 am
by BodyShots
sicknasty7722 wrote:mnhcky65 wrote:sicknasty7722 wrote:
Check out point streak --- Lowell and Slator both have him by several points...so much for Swanson being the ONLY senior leader when he's not even leading his line...
Being the best player on the ice doesnt make you a leader. SAger and FSN both agreed Swanson was the best player on the ice for WB during the Woodbury game. Also, Lowell played with Birki and Wallin for a little while when Ryan Walter was urt, which gave Lowell many, many assists. And for Slator, he's got to get the goal scoring pass from somebody...
Seniors have to be the best ones on the ice to lead the team, because a team only goes as far as the senior class pushes them. Seniors lead the way, because they have the experience. Examples?
Danny Mattson (C) - 71 pts
Anders Lee (C) - 66 pts
Nick Leddy (C) - 37 pts
Tyler Zepeda (C) - 36 pts
Ben Hanowski (C) - 110 pts
Marshall Everson (C) - 64 pts
Tyler Pitlick (C) - 58 pts
Dan Delisle (C) - 53 pts
....shall I continue with senior leaders?
Sticknasty....you are way off base if you are correlating getting points wit being a leader. Your comments about pushing teammates and leading with experience are good examples of leaders. But they don't have to be the leading scorers to do that. Is Stoa a senior?..no, is Bostrom and Anderson leading their team in scoring?...no. These are the captains of the Gophers. Was Brad Bombadier a scoring threat?...no, but he was the Wild captain for many years. Is Pitlick a good leader for getting kicked off the team for two weeks? I can't imagine he is still the captain of Centennial after that fiasco.
And here is the topper. Zach Budish (C) - 0 pts you ask anybody on that Edina team and they will tell you Budish is the true leader of that team.
I rest my case.
Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:41 pm
by Hockeyfan#8
sicknasty7722 wrote:MedleyWR wrote:
I agree, it was a very well played and well coached game between 2 very good teams. The refs kept their whistles in their pockets and overlooked an obvious checking-from-behind penalty and a few hooks and trips. To call a holding penalty with 2 minutes left in OT, after letting everything else go, was hard to justify. In this case, the refs had too much influence in deciding the outcome. Having said that, it was a penalty, although not a very flagrant one. I have been a staunch supporter of the White Bear coaches, but their decision to skate only four D is puzzling. They had three D sitting on the bench who saw no ice time (2 of them were pulled up from JV, but the third was a varsity player who had significant ice time in almost every WBL game and has a +/- of +12). At the end of the game, the 4 D looked gassed. In my opinion, this fatigue contributed to the holding penalty, which cost the Bears the game.
I'm assuming you're talking about
Ben Clarke, and I think perhaps you may be high. Notice that the Bears run four D in big games, Clarke only gets a good amount of time in games that don't matter. His first shift vs Roseville in Roseville he got dangled and didn't see much ice the rest of the game. He'll have to get used to the bench because the Bears will run four D through playoffs as well, and hopefully they will start running two lines more often. If the Bears want to push a successful playoff run they NEED to start running two lines late in the games.
Learn how to spell his name if you are going to rip on him.
Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 3:03 pm
by adamp1914
Bears. 5 - 1.
Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:16 am
by wbmd
Bears by 3.
Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:32 am
by Mistah Hockey
leadership doesnt come with points, it comes from the heart. Its a natural abiliity. Your giving all of these examples of leaders with points, which is great, but look at one of the best captains known to hockey, Mike Eurizone for the 1980 USA team. He was a mediocre player who had an ability to lead.
Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:27 pm
by starmvp
WBL- 4
MV- 2
With an empty net goal